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Let me explain myself then ;
- we are using TANKs and IFVs alone.. not as units or teams. No recon vehicle went with them. No infantary or security units at their sides and backs. there is a field book for Armed vehicles, "little unit tactics".. commandos dont have to know that book.
-Yes , tank personel in tanks, but OKK headquarter commands all field.they pickes the targets. They have guessed, this is a little size commando movement, but it is partly true.. true for first 3 mounths. But 20 december was the date of change in field. And of course with aleppo agreement was the important date. Esad can say nothing our soldiers anymore.
-of course , i am aware of this is not a full size military action , we are there for support.. but that line has been passed in 20 december And after Aleppo agreement.
-when i am talking about logistic planning. I am not talking about a little commando teams' logistics or battalions logistics. You really no have knowledge i guess about this kind of military planning.. Today this operation is not a hybrid or proxy operation now. it is an "operative size military operation" now. It needs an operative headquarter, operative corp size logistics management, supply and support. (Tam tesekküllü bir kolordu karargahi ve baglı birlikleri gereklidir bu tür bir lojistik ve harekat yönetimi için. 30 kişilik ökk ökhu karargahı ile olacak iş değil.)
- for instance if you watch efes exercise last summer, there were just a bridge size operation and logistic centers. Multiply it with at least 4 or 5 times for firat kalkani.
-what i am talking about is a "corps headquarter nad command" (kolordu karargahı ve bağlı birliklerinin komutayı ele alması. Çünkü bu artık bir komando harekatı değil. Lokal bir savaş.)
- and a memory : when usa starts a move to iraq. Operations name was "desert SHIELD". In shield level, usa have send corps to war area and they have prepared and lined formations... when USA would have attacked the name of the operation has changed and became : desert storm..
-it was firat shield , if there is a level named firat storm, command must be in a ful capable headquarter and , army must use all that have.. not limited units...
It is some really good thought you are putting across but it is simply theoretical thought. What you speak of is how things should work according to books. But the real world is far different than books. However you think well and I like your ability to view the broad picture.
You are only lacking the fundemental understanding of how logistics works in the TSK. What you dont know is that we have a completely centralised structure. The only logistics personell not directly tied to logistics command are the OKK field logisticians but they still coordinate with logistics command if it is not an independent operation.
In the TSK, Every single logistics component regardless of whether its corp level, batallion level etc, is tied into and 100% answerable to logistics command, not their corp or batallion etc command. This means that the logistics of each combat formation is limited by the speed of the information and phyical flow to and back from logistics command. They cannot make independent decisions.
Regardless of the size, type, or dynamic of the operation, our logistics practices will remain the same. All logistics strategy and tactics are debated and decided on by logistics command, except in the case of OKK independent operations. ES is not an independent operation. So OKK logisticians in Syria are currently limited by the information flow between themselves and logistics command.
It is this centralised structure that makes us weaker than nations like Russia regarding logistics. We need a decentralised strucutre which improves lead times, risk mitigation, resilience, agility, and even eliminates process waste in operations. The only way we can form a decetralised logistics structure is to attain almost complete self reliance in defence industry. Our military understands it is logistically weak; it is well known by our allies and enemies that we are logistically weak; that is why OKK was tasked with unit based field logisticians to begin with. And that is also why we are seeking self reliance in defence production.
There is no point in comparing US operational logistics practices to ours. Their logistics capabilities are at a level we simply can never achieve in the current or near future climate.
Our military is and has been working on improving logistics for some time now, hopefully the mistakes made in recent months will speed up the improvement. EGE Ord. Kom. trialed independent battlegroup formations in 2009/10/11 at the same time the "Contracted Private" method was being trialled. It seemed fairly successful so I can only hope the battlegroup formations with decentralised logistics is also adopted across our whole military soon.
I know and live what you are talking about
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I know and live what you are talking about.. and respect your problems and idea.
All off the realities you have written are for general problems of peace armies. And national domestic structure of armies.
But now , our boys are fighting in another country as you know. And there is no logistic links that we use to.
For this kind of situations we have "logistic management centers" . They would eatablish in war times for every sector and tie to corps headquarter. ( savaş durumunda lojistigi yerinde yönetmek için asgari sektörden sorumlu kolordu karargahına bağlı "lojistik yönetim merkezleri" diye karargah ve bağlı üniteleri mevcut. Hatta bunların taktik seviyedeki loj.des taburları, mymler ve d.des takimlari ile irtibatı için telsiz çevrimi ve data aktarımı için mebs komutanliginin mobil şeyleri de mevcut.velhasıl tüm imkanlarımızla savaşmadigimiz icin sahada muhariplerin fedakarligi ile ilerliyoruz. Yillarca pkk terorunde de bu hatayi yaptik. Ordununelinde her imkan var. Ama müşterek harekati yonetebilecek ellere sevk idare verilmedikce sahada goremeyecegiz.)
So, this local centers are answer to your question..
we have complete air superiority !!!
forget atak choppers what about ah-1p and ah1-s or even ah1-w's ? they are perfect in this invirement with their guns and hellfire missiles !!! i believe they also have EW capibilities so why not use them ?No close air-support from Attack Helicopters => No live terrain and enemy position data => No fast-interference capacity => getting open for enemy ATGM and IED teams => Our armored vehicle upside down.
That is pathetic.
I am pretty sure that we do have at least one (1) chopper that can fire laser guided missile, i dont believe that if all heli pilots kicked out of the army due to Fetoş investigation. I do believe we have at least two (2) pilots and one (1) attack chopper.
The question is, why the f it does not fly above our troops when our troops moving forward blindly?