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No It's ASSad who broke it and continue till now, Even TR-RU spoke about it in the beginning.
But since each side begun to retaliate things went down...

Why a full war is problematic? well it's simple, both sides aren't TR direct enemies and the result will be Idlib lose and beyond.
It's not about TR power to deal with it or not... since it isn't in Turkey, it's made of Syrians in a war torn country... Things will escale and extremism will pop out everywhere, South, West, North etc... (Since annexation isn't on the menu).

And you can't put YPG and HTS situation side by side... and even in case of YPG a full scale war in East Syria is the "Last" resort. That's why there is all those "deals" to transfer power etc...
A full scale war in East Euphrate will just lead to ASSad/RU having it all... With TR getting only the few pockets she was able to get in the first Op wave. (it will be a Race... TR/FSA vs RU/ASSad/YPG...who get more till the "truce")

And what? YPG/PKK will still be active under ASSad at TR border... and what about Syrians in TR? Wasn't all this work and money to get ride of YPG/PKK and relocate Syrians somewhere they can return too?

It's not about having the "Power/Army" to do so... ofc TR can just enter and take it all...but she isn't alone in Syria... She want something that the other side also want... it's isn't a race against "Militias"... it's a race against other Powers in the region...

The nearest image is " Like having a bucket filled with water and got holes at the bottom, and you have to block those holes with your fingers... But each hole you can't block, water will get out and fall into "another bucket" of someone else..."

Fingers are the Powers involved... Water is land/influence/ressources... and Holes are Militias/Groups/Factions...
Why you talk like HTS is not enemy of Turkey? HTS is included into the Turkish terrorist organizations list. What happens in Idlib is concerning Turkey because it happens because Turkey is allowing it but when some terrorist organization is attacking the future of the Turkish interests in Syria then the situation is becoming even more dangerous. All of the parties are concerned about the HTS in Idlib including Turkey. Nobody wants them there including FSA. They are the authorization for Russia, Assad to bomb even FSA factions and the main obstacle for starting of the political process. HTS is the cancer of Idlib that must be exterminated.

Turkey doesn't have the ambition to control all of Northern Syria. You must understand that Turkey is not there from imperialistic motive. Turkey wants to secure the border, cut the YPG cantons from one another, make the base for securing Sinjar and the following operations in Northern Iraq. By securing a zone 40km deep Turkey will leave YPG in a territory which was mostly inhabited by Arabs and then they will allow Assad forces to control the territory together. In the Kurdish majority towns along the Turkish border Turkey will leave alternative representative of the Kurds. Turkey want to make sure that there is big enough buffer zone between the Turkish border and the enemy because the preventive measure is the best measure and by preventing measure I mean the prevention of new situations like the Kilis daily rocket shelling, tunnels made by terrorists entering Turkish territory which are securing illegal smuggling of living goods from and to Turkey and also military equipment that can be used for another uprising like in 2015-2016.

If you want to look at Turkey as imperialistic state then you should look at Idlib, the support for FSA and the political process. As soon as political process starts which include Assad, moderate Turkish supported opposition and minorities like the Kurds then the imperialistic wish of Turkey will be completed and that is to have a word into the Syrian internal affairs trough political parties and proxies.

You will see that Syria will end up in federation and the only ones that doesn't have any place in that scenario are even not PYD but HTS. There are three main dangers for the future of Syria according to Turkey, Russia and Iran and those are DEASH, HTS, YPG and there are four for Assad (just add the FSA into the list). The realistic outcome of this would be for DEASH and HTS to be exterminated and for PYD to have a deal with Assad for a federation which would trigger a federation model also for Idlib and the Turkish secured territories. At the moment the biggest opposition for that political process is HTS (I don't count DEASH). Why? Because they live in a jihadist utopia that thinks Assad and his supporters will step down of power and all Syria will be left in the hands of the superior Sheikh which will give fatwas left and right and the traitors will be beheaded in the center of Damascus. This is absurd. This is awkward and ridiculous. There is not a movie in which the opposition wins that war and control Damascus. Even if there is confederation model Idlib will be the biggest sh!thole on the earth comparable only to Afghanistan maybe but the one after the US intervention and no Turkey will not be able to save it. So the best variant of HTS is put down weapons and give up to FSA and Turkey otherwise the situation will become unmanageable and either Turkey or Assad will take Idlib and when I say take Idlib that is for certain and even not a drop of hesitation. Turkey wants political process which is being sabotaged by HTS terrorist organization in order to secure the place of the Syrian opposition in the political process because that is the only logical way for the normalization of the situation in Syria so HTS must go. As I said the talented and loyal they must take with FSA and the others are not even worth a jail. They must be massacred in combat or in secret. The mercenaries/terrorists of the Saudis are not welcome and Turkey will take care for Idlib and the future of the opposition not the false Muslims (I tell it for a second time in all of my life but lanatullahi alayhum. May be it over all the terrorizing, warmongers and transgressors)
 
Why you talk like HTS is not enemy of Turkey? HTS is included into the Turkish terrorist organizations list. What happens in Idlib is concerning Turkey because it happens because Turkey is allowing it but when some terrorist organization is attacking the future of the Turkish interests in Syria then the situation is becoming even more dangerous. All of the parties are concerned about the HTS in Idlib including Turkey. Nobody wants them there including FSA. They are the authorization for Russia, Assad to bomb even FSA factions and the main obstacle for starting of the political process. HTS is the cancer of Idlib that must be exterminated.

Turkey doesn't have the ambition to control all of Northern Syria. You must understand that Turkey is not there from imperialistic motive. Turkey wants to secure the border, cut the YPG cantons from one another, make the base for securing Sinjar and the following operations in Northern Iraq. By securing a zone 40km deep Turkey will leave YPG in a territory which was mostly inhabited by Arabs and then they will allow Assad forces to control the territory together. In the Kurdish majority towns along the Turkish border Turkey will leave alternative representative of the Kurds. Turkey want to make sure that there is big enough buffer zone between the Turkish border and the enemy because the preventive measure is the best measure and by preventing measure I mean the prevention of new situations like the Kilis daily rocket shelling, tunnels made by terrorists entering Turkish territory which are securing illegal smuggling of living goods from and to Turkey and also military equipment that can be used for another uprising like in 2015-2016.

If you want to look at Turkey as imperialistic state then you should look at Idlib, the support for FSA and the political process. As soon as political process starts which include Assad, moderate Turkish supported opposition and minorities like the Kurds then the imperialistic wish of Turkey will be completed and that is to have a word into the Syrian internal affairs trough political parties and proxies.

You will see that Syria will end up in federation and the only ones that doesn't have any place in that scenario are even not PYD but HTS. There are three main dangers for the future of Syria according to Turkey, Russia and Iran and those are DEASH, HTS, YPG and there are four for Assad (just add the FSA into the list). The realistic outcome of this would be for DEASH and HTS to be exterminated and for PYD to have a deal with Assad for a federation which would trigger a federation model also for Idlib and the Turkish secured territories. At the moment the biggest opposition for that political process is HTS (I don't count DEASH). Why? Because they live in a jihadist utopia that thinks Assad and his supporters will step down of power and all Syria will be left in the hands of the superior Sheikh which will give fatwas left and right and the traitors will be beheaded in the center of Damascus. This is absurd. This is awkward and ridiculous. There is not a movie in which the opposition wins that war and control Damascus. Even if there is confederation model Idlib will be the biggest sh!thole on the earth comparable only to Afghanistan maybe but the one after the US intervention and no Turkey will not be able to save it. So the best variant of HTS is put down weapons and give up to FSA and Turkey otherwise the situation will become unmanageable and either Turkey or Assad will take Idlib and when I say take Idlib that is for certain and even not a drop of hesitation. Turkey wants political process which is being sabotaged by HTS terrorist organization in order to secure the place of the Syrian opposition in the political process because that is the only logical way for the normalization of the situation in Syria so HTS must go. As I said the talented and loyal they must take with FSA and the others are not even worth a jail. They must be massacred in combat or in secret. The mercenaries/terrorists of the Saudis are not welcome and Turkey will take care for Idlib and the future of the opposition not the false Muslims (I tell it for a second time in all of my life but lanatullahi alayhum. May be it over all the terrorizing, warmongers and transgressors)

Do you know why HTS is still strong despite getting isolated and that FSA got limited influence despite having Sponsors?
Well...Here the Main reason.
In the eyes of many out there... FSA and affiliate doesn't care about Syria/Syrian Revolution anymore... They are seen as mere mercenaries under TR agenda... That is for her own "Buffer zone/border". Therefore what is beyond that is useless...

While HTS still remain in their eyes as a follower of that "Revolution Spirit" where ASSad shall fall and so on...
Both aren't right neither wrong... As you said yourself... TR isn't there for Those Syrians who wish a comeback in a Syria without their main killer... ASSad...

In the Future TR will have to get out of her Ambigus stance... and will need to choose... Them or the other. But whatever the choice will be... The answer isn't what you wrote...
East Syria (all of it) is THE answer to all this equation... all of it... Just having it will mean the End of HTS...YPG and the Answer for 10Mil...

That's why it's important... and not just "some few km buffer zone" that is Let's be honest...shall we... Will change nothing whatsoever in YPG/PKK situation for TR... you can push them few km away... as long as the root who are feeding them (aka Pro-countries/entities) this YPG/PKKK mess will not drastically change.
You already got your control limit...your Wall...

The worst scenario for TR concerning YPG/PKK is that few km buffer zone...since it will result in having ASSad+YPG+PKK at that new "buffer border" and they will still be fed/armed etc... aka giving them "Officially" safe haven... It's in fact after their "Rojava" the Best Next situation for them...
 
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The NLF announced the killing of a whole group of Elite HTS Forces as they tried to advance to Sheikh Suleiman Army Base.
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HTS is as much as a threat for Turkey than YPG/PKK.
 
Do you know why HTS is still strong despite getting isolated and that FSA got limited influence despite having Sponsors?
Well...Here the Main reason.
In the eyes of many out there... FSA and affiliate doesn't care about Syria/Syrian Revolution anymore... They are seen as mere mercenaries under TR agenda... That is for her own "Buffer zone/border". Therefore what is beyond that is useless...

While HTS still remain in their eyes as a follower of that "Revolution Spirit" where ASSad shall fall and so on...
Both aren't right neither wrong... As you said yourself... TR isn't there for Those Syrians who wish a comeback in a Syria without their main killer... ASSad...

In the Future TR will have to get out of her Ambigus stance... and will need to choose... Them or the other. But whatever the choice will be... The answer isn't what you wrote...
East Syria (all of it) is THE answer to all this equation... all of it... Just having it will mean the End of HTS...YPG and the Answer for 10Mil...

That's why it's important... and not just "some few km buffer zone" that is Let's be honest...shall we... Will change nothing whatsoever in YPG/PKK situation for TR... you can push them few km away... as long as the root who are feeding them (aka Pro-countries/entities) this YPG/PKKK mess will not drastically change.
You already got your control limit...your Wall...

The worst scenario for TR concerning YPG/PKK is that few km buffer zone...since it will result in having ASSad+YPG+PKK at that new "buffer border" and they will still be fed/armed etc... aka giving them "Officially" safe haven... It's in fact after their "Rojava" the Best Next situation for them...
If for them the revolution is to risk all the lives of so many people for an absurd idea that even the biggest dreamers don't have it is their problem and they will face it. Turkey sees the situation in a realistic way while keeps the positivism. Solution without the Assad and his supporters is not a solution and if such scenario of no solution was possible for Turkey now Turkey would not be so eager to keep the opposition on their feet.

If you think that Turkey will reach Deir Ezzor without the US officially hand it over without fight to Turkey you are out of this world. SAA is ready on the other side of the river and it is waiting for YPG to invite them. The fighters in the buffer zone are the cannon fodders against the enemy of Turkey which will got Turkish support and Qatari money.

I got your enthusiasm and will to continue the revolution like in the first days but the situation have changed. The FSA is not the FSA from the first days and Assad have world and regional powers behind him. The FSA got limited coalition support, Turkish support and Muslim Brotherhood support. The one that adapt will survive and the others will be buried with their absurd ideas which is of no use. Sometimes its better to do a step backward for a step and half or even two steps forward but in the future, on different level and the political process will be that level and the forming of the new Syrian constitution will be that level.
 
If for them the revolution is to risk all the lives of so many people for an absurd idea that even the biggest dreamers don't have it is their problem and they will face it. Turkey sees the situation in a realistic way while keeps the positivism. Solution without the Assad and his supporters is not a solution and if such scenario of no solution was possible for Turkey now Turkey would not be so eager to keep the opposition on their feet.

If you think that Turkey will reach Deir Ezzor without the US officially hand it over without fight to Turkey you are out of this world. SAA is ready on the other side of the river and it is waiting for YPG to invite them. The fighters in the buffer zone are the cannon fodders against the enemy of Turkey which will got Turkish support and Qatari money.

I got your enthusiasm and will to continue the revolution like in the first days but the situation have changed. The FSA is not the FSA from the first days and Assad have world and regional powers behind him. The FSA got limited coalition support, Turkish support and Muslim Brotherhood support. The one that adapt will survive and the others will be buried with their absurd ideas which is of no use. Sometimes its better to do a step backward for a step and half or even two steps forward but in the future, on different level and the political process will be that level and the forming of the new Syrian constitution will be that level.

We will see how things turns out.
But one thing is sure... YPG/PKK will go nowhere as long as ASSad is in power.
You Know it...I know it and Turkey knows it.
 
Stop posting that fascist fucks tweets here.
Do you people even look at the accounts before sharing the racist shit they post? One look and I can see that that accounts belongs to an pkk member portraying himself as an American. My god people.

The comments are mainly butthurts aka Armenians, Kurds and greeks along with a few Americans.
 
The owner of this Twitter Account is a YPG/PKK loving piece of shit.

Muh Freedom fighters Muh Genocide

Honestly if the Turks are going to do a genocide on the Kurds there would be concentration camps that would be doing this sort of thing.

When the Turks sneeze people say it is a genocide.
 
Stop posting that fascist fucks tweets here.
Do you people even look at the accounts before sharing the racist shit they post? One look and I can see that that accounts belongs to an pkk member portraying himself as an American. My god people.
I saw the video there and I post it here. I didn't saw it anywhere else. Look at the content I share not of that account. I chose the content from multiple sources and post it on my responsibility. Is there anything wrong with the video? No. The video is informational enough so I am.

The one day someone complained about posting Ali Ozkok because he is worker in RT, the other day someone questioned the reliability of Mete Sohtaroglu, what is next? I am openly saying that I am not going to post only TRT World, Mete Yarar and A Haber here! I will take reliable information from every source possible when I think it is reliable and post it here. I don't care if there is a title PKK, DEASH, Assad, HTS, Marsians, North Korea! Reliable information is reliable information and when there is nothing out there to oppose that information I don't understand what is the problem. If a PKK terrorist comes to you and say the Chief of General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces is Yasar Guler and the President of Turkey is Recep Tayyip Erdogan will you again oppose it? Watch the video and don't play with me. I am intelligent enough to chose what information to share and what not.
 
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HTS captured all Zenki towns/villages.
All supply roads from Turkey and Afrin are under HTS control.
 

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