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izlenmeli !
Spoiler ; Afrin operasyonunu yöneten bir orgeneral Albay düzeyinde bir yere tayin ettirildi. Acaba bu Erdoğancılar tarafından nasıl açıklanacak ? Yorum yapmadan önce izleyin lütfen !
 
Do it already! Those terrorists deserve death and nothing more! Take the talented and loyal from them and make them one of yours and if they misbehave execute them! The others you had to be done with long ago. The terrorists are waiting just like SAA to sabotage the political process. You must not wait for the moment when the order come from the Saudis and they annihilate you.
 
Do it already! Those terrorists deserve death and nothing more! Take the talented and loyal from them and make them one of yours and if they misbehave execute them! The others you had to be done with long ago. The terrorists are waiting just like SAA to sabotage the political process. You must not wait for the moment when the order come from the Saudis and they annihilate you.

it's alittle more complicate than that.
The problem btw those groups is mostly coming from SAA breach of ceasefire Since "The beginning" of the deal.
Every armed group Whatever it's HTS or not are becoming frustrated, by the continuous SAA violation of the deal.

We saw that previously near the Latakia Mountain, when SAA tried to take some villages from HTS or from Aleppo against Zengi brigade.

And since each group can't "openly" go against ASSad because their understanding with TR, they turn against each others in this lack of what was intended.

HTS is calling the Zengi and affiliates to do something about that "buffer zone" that is violated everyday and Zengi is calling HTS to stop answering SAA violations...
And so on and so on.... Till what we see today, when one or the other began to "invade" the other in a show of "Power".

And this situation is getting this deep, also by TR non being vocal about it (aka SAA violations since the beginning) and the "Power" void because of the ongoing East Euphrate op...

Let's say..." When the cat is out, the mouse is in..."
 
izlenmeli !
Spoiler ; Afrin operasyonunu yöneten bir orgeneral Albay düzeyinde bir yere tayin ettirildi. Acaba bu Erdoğancılar tarafından nasıl açıklanacak ? Yorum yapmadan önce izleyin lütfen !

In English please!
 
it's alittle more complicate than that.
The problem btw those groups is mostly coming from SAA breach of ceasefire Since "The beginning" of the deal.
Every armed group Whatever it's HTS or not are becoming frustrated, by the continuous SAA violation of the deal.

We saw that previously near the Latakia Mountain, when SAA tried to take some villages from HTS or from Aleppo against Zengi brigade.

And since each group can't "openly" go against ASSad because their understanding with TR, they turn against each others in this lack of what was intended.

HTS is calling the Zengi and affiliates to do something about that "buffer zone" that is violated everyday and Zengi is calling HTS to stop answering SAA violations...
And so on and so on.... Till what we see today, when one or the other began to "invade" the other in a show of "Power".

And this situation is getting this deep, also by TR non being vocal about it (aka SAA violations since the beginning) and the "Power" void because of the ongoing East Euphrate op...

Let's say..." When the cat is out, the mouse is in..."
First of all according to the deal nobody must be in that buffer zone and no heavy weapons presence must be there. HTS refused so the SAA and Russia have all the right to bomb the sh!t out of them and any group that violated the zone. If they are upset then FSA will have nothing other to do in the end. I said that if talented and loyal groups don't join the FSA they will end dead just like the other terrorists because when East of Euphrates is finished they will be the only problem left and it will be resolved. No terrorist organization will be left in Syria if they are put onto the mercy of Turkey.
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Isn't it strange that all this HTS bs happens after the US announced withdrawal...

Rumor:HTS captured Qilah ("Afrin") which is just 7km from Jandaris after clashes with Hamza brigade.
 
First of all according to the deal nobody must be in that buffer zone and no heavy weapons presence must be there. HTS refused so the SAA and Russia have all the right to bomb the sh!t out of them and any group that violated the zone. If they are upset then FSA will have nothing other to do in the end. I said that if talented and loyal groups don't join the FSA they will end dead just like the other terrorists because when East of Euphrates is finished they will be the only problem left and it will be resolved. No terrorist organization will be left in Syria if they are put onto the mercy of Turkey.
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According to TR heavy equipment are out of buffer zone.
Second... SAA targets aren't HTS but mostly FSA area.
Last... None has right to break a Deal since the other side never did.

Going full war on HTS is suicidal...Everything will be lost and things will spread to Northern Syria too.
HTS is still a relevant force in Idlib, but lost a bit with past TR influence and deals...Where some fighters/factions/groups joined FSA.
But nowadays not much leave and even other join back after SAA non stop strikes...

Those armed groups behave simply... "Join whoever" seems to be strong... and in Idlib it's HTs who is seen as stronger than other factions, because of TR not being "Directly involved" with FSA, like what we have per exemple in the Northern part, where there HTS has no chance, neither support.

People have to understand, it's a war zone... Where death and life is the only common currency...People do not have the luxury to choose on what X or Y may get/have in Few months/years...but every choice is taken according to day by day events. That's why we've got those switching side often...

I still keep my position when it comes to weaken HTS.
-Make sure Deals are kept WITH NO ASSad strikes every hour
-Make sure People feel safe.
-Increase infrastructures
Simply what we've got with the northern part...

And then The major bulk of "HTS support" will switch to the other side.
Ofc a small radical HTS center will stay, but their forces will have not much power/influence/land etc...and could be dealt easily...

Ps: HTS isn't a uniform group...but a Banner who got under Dozens and Dozens of smaller armed groups where each "own" one or few villages. Therefore one group switching side= One or Few town taken back...
That's why Towns are "lost" very fast... Since every group was at least one time in each or the other side and each group joined once or more each sides during this conflict...
 
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According to TR heavy equipment are out of buffer zone.
Second... SAA targets aren't HTS but mostly FSA area.
Last... None has right to break a Deal since the other side never did.

Going full war on HTS is suicidal...Everything will be lost and things will spread to Northern Syria too.
HTS is still a relevant force in Idlib, but lost a bit with past TR influence and deals...Where some fighters/factions/groups joined FSA.
But nowadays not much leave and even other join back after SAA non stop strikes...

Those armed groups behave simply... "Join whoever" seems to be strong... and in Idlib it's HTs who is seen as stronger than other factions, because of TR not being "Directly involved" with FSA, like what we have per exemple in the Northern part, where there HTS has no chance, neither support.

People have to understand, it's a war zone... Where death and life is the only common currency...People do not have the luxury to choose on what X or Y may get/have in Few months/years...but every choice is taken according to day by day events. That's why we've got those switching side often...

I still keep my position when it comes to weaken HTS.
-Make sure Deals are kept WITH NO ASSad strikes every hour
-Make sure People feel safe.
-Increase infrastructures
Simply what we've got with the northern part...

And then The major bulk of "HTS support" will switch to the other side.
Ofc a small radical HTS center will stay, but their forces will have not much power/influence/land etc...and could be dealt easily...
Both SAA and FSA have violated the agreement on multiple occasions. The important part is its basic implementation which includes the elimination of terrorist organization inside Idlib pocket- HTS.

What makes a full war on HTS a suicide? It is not suicide to have a full war on YPG with all the modern western equipment, armor and training provided by some of the best in the business but it is a suicide to fight the terrorist organization HTS into the Idlib pocket? How is this going to spread into Northern Syria?

You are overestimating the power of HTS and underestimating the will of Turkey for fighting all the terrorist organizations in Syria. HTS is not the Taliban in the mountains nor ISIS. That terrorist organization will be annihilated now or tomorrow with/without Turkish troops involved and with/without the Russian Air Forces. It have no future. Idlib needs an official armed formation and not the remnants of Al Qaeda and their dog friends and it will get it. It is being decided already by far stronger and decisive force than 50.000 warmonger jihadists.
 
Both SAA and FSA have violated the agreement on multiple occasions. The important part is its basic implementation which includes the elimination of terrorist organization inside Idlib pocket- HTS.

What makes a full war on HTS a suicide? It is not suicide to have a full war on YPG with all the modern western equipment, armor and training provided by some of the best in the business but it is a suicide to fight the terrorist organization HTS into the Idlib pocket? How is this going to spread into Northern Syria?

You are overestimating the power of HTS and underestimating the will of Turkey for fighting all the terrorist organizations in Syria. HTS is not the Taliban in the mountains nor ISIS. That terrorist organization will be annihilated now or tomorrow with/without Turkish troops involved and with/without the Russian Air Forces. It have no future. Idlib needs an official armed formation and not the remnants of Al Qaeda and their dog friends and it will get it. It is being decided already by far stronger and decisive force than 50.000 warmonger jihadists.

No It's ASSad who broke it and continue till now, Even TR-RU spoke about it in the beginning.
But since each side begun to retaliate things went down...

Why a full war is problematic? well it's simple, both sides aren't TR direct enemies and the result will be Idlib lose and beyond.
It's not about TR power to deal with it or not... since it isn't in Turkey, it's made of Syrians in a war torn country... Things will escale and extremism will pop out everywhere, South, West, North etc... (Since annexation isn't on the menu).

And you can't put YPG and HTS situation side by side... and even in case of YPG a full scale war in East Syria is the "Last" resort. That's why there is all those "deals" to transfer power etc...
A full scale war in East Euphrate will just lead to ASSad/RU having it all... With TR getting only the few pockets she was able to get in the first Op wave. (it will be a Race... TR/FSA vs RU/ASSad/YPG...who get more till the "truce")

And what? YPG/PKK will still be active under ASSad at TR border... and what about Syrians in TR? Wasn't all this work and money to get ride of YPG/PKK and relocate Syrians somewhere they can return too?

It's not about having the "Power/Army" to do so... ofc TR can just enter and take it all...but she isn't alone in Syria... She want something that the other side also want... it's isn't a race against "Militias"... it's a race against other Powers in the region...

The nearest image is " Like having a bucket filled with water and got holes at the bottom, and you have to block those holes with your fingers... But each hole you can't block, water will get out and fall into "another bucket" of someone else..."

Fingers are the Powers involved... Water is land/influence/ressources... and Holes are Militias/Groups/Factions...
 
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