Turkish Origins.

[Attila the Hun]

It's because the Turks/Anatolians are incredibly mixed. The average Turk has Balkan, Caucasian, Iranian, Levantine, Southern European, and Mesopotamian origins.

It's wonderful if you ask me.

Indeed. I bloody love it . haha.
But at the end of the day, we are just Turk(in Culture).

 

[Aramagedon]

Not really

Western Iranians have small amount of south asian genes but they cluster closer to other west asians.

I didn't know we are that huge close to europeans. I thought we are closer to Indians and Pakistanis,

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I didn't know we are that huge close to europeans. I thought we are closer to Indians and Pakistanis,

There is no "huge" closeness with any Middle Eastern people and the average European.

Other people of the Middle East are closer as can be seen. Anyway not such a big surprise or deal when you look at population movements historically and geography first and foremost.

Besides those Europeans are Southern Europeans specifically and only. Also that closeness is not that great as people of the Middle East/Caucasus cluster with each other first and foremost before anyone else.

Anyway of all Middle Easterners you Iranians, also due to geography, have most genetic affinity to South Asia as a whole which can also be seen on that graph. Alongside Eastern Arabia. However as usual this depends on the sample and which region it is taken from in country x and y.

An Iranian Baloch will obviously be more close to the average Pakistani next door and Afghan than say an Iranian in Western Iran of all ethnic groups (Persians, Kurds, Lurs, Arabs, Azeris etc.).

Similarly a person from Eastern Arabia will be closer to that region than a Hijazi.

 

[Spring Onion]

Combined results from multiple studies show the following Y-DNA haplogroup distributions among Anatolian Turks:

E1b1b = 11%
G = 11%
I1 = 1%
I2* + I2a = 4%
I2b = 0.5%
J2 = 24%
J* + J1 = 9%
N = 4%
Q = 2%
R1a = 7.5%
R1b = 16%
T = 2.5%

Major studies of Anatolian Turks

Uğur Hodoğlugil and Robert W. Mahley. "Turkish Population Structure and Genetic Ancestry Reveal Relatedness among Eurasian Populations." Annals of Human Genetics 76:2 (March 2012): pages 128-141. First published online on February 15, 2012. Abstract:

"Turkey has experienced major population movements. Population structure and genetic relatedness of samples from three regions of Turkey, using over 500,000 SNP genotypes, were compared together with Human Genome Diversity Panel (HGDP) data. To obtain a more representative sampling from Central Asia, Kyrgyz samples (Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan) were genotyped and analysed.

Principal component (PC) analysis reveals a significant overlap between Turks and Middle Easterners and a relationship with Europeans and South and Central Asians; however, the Turkish genetic structure is unique. FRAPPE, STRUCTURE, and phylogenetic analyses support the PC analysis depending upon the number of parental ancestry components chosen. For example, supervised STRUCTURE (K= 3) illustrates a genetic ancestry for the Turks of 45% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 42-49), 40% European (95% CI, 36-44) and 15% Central Asian (95% CI, 13-16), whereas at K= 4 the genetic ancestry of the Turks was 38% European (95% CI, 35-42), 35% Middle Eastern (95% CI, 33-38), 18% South Asian (95% CI, 16-19) and 9% Central Asian (95% CI, 7-11).

PC analysis and FRAPPE/STRUCTURE results from three regions in Turkey (Aydin, Istanbul and Kayseri) were superimposed, without clear subpopulation structure, suggesting sample homogeneity. Thus, this study demonstrates admixture of Turkish people reflecting the population migration patterns."
Cengiz Cinnioğlu, R. King, Toomas Kivisild, E. Kalfoğlu, S. Atasoy, G. L. Cavalleri, A. S. Lillie, C. C. Roseman, A. A. Lin, K. Prince, P. J. Oefner, P. Shen, Ornella Semino, Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, and Peter A. Underhill. "Excavating Y-chromosome haplotype strata in Anatolia." Human Genetics 114:2 (January 2004): pages 127-148. First published electronically on October 29, 2003. 523 Turkish men had their Y-DNA sampled here on 89 biallelic polymorphisms. This group possessed a total of 52 different haplotypes. Excerpts from the Abstract:

"The major components (haplogroups E3b, G, J, I, L, N, K2, and R1; 94.1%) are shared with European and neighboring Near Eastern populations and contrast with only a minor share of haplogroups related to Central Asian (C, Q and O; 3.4%), Indian (H, R2; 1.5%) and African (A, E3*, E3a; 1%) affinity. [...] high resolution SNP analysis provides evidence of a detectable yet weak signal (<9%) of recent paternal gene flow from Central Asia. The variety of Turkish haplotypes is witness to Turkey being both an important source and recipient of gene flow."
Below are Y-DNA haplogroups Cinnioğlu's team found among Anatolian Turks:

E1b1b1 = 10.7% (common in the Mediterranean region)

G = 10.9% (common in the Caucasus, also found in the Middle East)

I = 5.3% (common in Central Europe, the Western Caucasus, and the Balkans)

J1 = 9% (common in Arabia and Daghestan)

J2 = 24% (common in Western Asia and Southeastern Europe and also found in Central and South Asia)

K = 4.5% (common in Asia and the Caucasus)

L = 4.2% (common in India and Khorasan)

N = 3.8% (common in Eastern Europe and North Asia, including Siberia [e.g. Turkic-speaking Yakuts], the Altai Mountains region, and the Ural Mountains region - the article however did not consider N to come to Turkey's Turks from North Asia)

Q = 1.9% (common in North Asia including Northern Altaic peoples)

R1a = 6.9% (common in Central Asia, the Caucasus, Eastern Europe, and among Indo-Aryans)
R1b = 14.7% (common in Western Europe)

T = 2.5% (common in the Mediterranean, South Asia, and Northeastern Africa)

Ceren Caner Berkman, Havva Dinc, Ceran Sekeryapan, and İnci Togan. "Alu insertion polymorphisms and an assessment of the genetic contribution of Central Asia to Anatolia with respect to the Balkans." American Journal of Physical Anthropology 136:1 (May 2008): pages 11-18. Excerpts from the Abstract:


"In the evolutionary history of modern humans, Anatolia acted as a bridge between the Caucasus, the Near East, and Europe. Because of its geographical location, Anatolia was subject to migrations from multiple different regions throughout time. The last, well-known migration was the movement of Turkic speaking, nomadic groups from Central Asia. They invaded Anatolia and then the language of the region was gradually replaced by the Turkic language. In the present study, insertion frequencies of 10 Alu loci [...] have been determined in the Anatolian population. Together with the data compiled from other databases, the similarity of the Anatolian population to that of the Balkans and Central Asia has been visualized by multidimensional scaling method. Analysis suggested that, genetically, Anatolia is more closely related with the Balkan populations than to the Central Asian populations. Central Asian contribution to Anatolia with respect to the Balkans was quantified with an admixture analysis. Furthermore, the association between the Central Asian contribution and the language replacement episode was examined by comparative analysis of the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia, Azerbaijan (another Turkic speaking country) and their neighbors. In the present study, the Central Asian contribution to Anatolia was estimated as 13%. This was the lowest value among the populations analyzed. [...]"


İnci Togan and her team presented the paper "An Anatolian Trilogy: Arrival of nomadic Turks with their sheep and shepherd dogs" at the 4th International Symposium on Biomolecular Archaeology, Copenhagen, Denmark, September 7-11, 2010. Their research utilized both mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and Y-chromosome DNA results from Anatolian Turks. This paper repeated their finding that about 13% of the lineages stemmed from Central Asia: "Central Asian genetic contribution to Anatolia with respect to the Balkans was estimated as 13% by an admixture analysis implemented in LEA.

This estimate was obtained by employing nuclear genetic markers. MtDNA and Y-chromosome estimates confirmed this admixture proportion." They go on to say "Based on the population size estimation for Anatolia in 12th century, it can be calculated that at least 1.5 million nomads might have arrived to Anatolia. History tells us that they have arrived to Central and Eastern Anatolia first and only 150 years later they invaded Western Anatolia. Distributions of genetic diversity of domestic sheep and shepherd dogs in Turkey support that as well the language spoken in Anatolia these nomads have changed the genetic landscape of these two domestic species within Turkey."

 

[Attila the Hun]

I must admit, there's a little similarities in appearance with Iranians. But, the Iranians of today are mostly mixed with others over the years.

Turks:

Iranic Peoples:

 

[Attila the Hun]

Iranians:

To be fair, i didn't realise we looked quite similar lolllll.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Turks:

 

[Aramagedon]

Anatolis are more Mediterranean and European than Iranians.

E1b1b1 = 10.7% (common in the Mediterranean region)

I = 5.3% (common in Central Europe, the Western Caucasus, and the Balkans)

N = 3.8% (common in Eastern Europe and North Asia, including Siberia [e.g. Turkic-speaking Yakuts], the Altai Mountains region, and the Ural Mountains region - the article however did not consider N to come to Turkey's Turks from North Asia)

T = 2.5% (common in the Mediterranean, South Asia, and Northeastern Africa)


But as I said they are very very very common with Iranians.

J2 = 24% (common in Western Asia and Southeastern Europe and also found in Central and South Asia)

G = 10.9% (common in the Caucasus, also found in the Middle East)

R1a = 6.9% (common in Central Asia, the Caucasus, Eastern Europe, and among Indo-Aryans)

L = 4.2% (common in India and Khorasan)

K = 4.5% (common in Asia and the Caucasus)

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

This is funny since Turks practice exogamy.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Anatolis are more Mediterranean and European than Iranians.

Didn't you say Anatolians were Iranians..???? lolllllll
You are pathetic.

 

[Aramagedon]

Indeed. I bloody love it . haha.
But at the end of the day, we are just Turk(in Culture).

Lolll... Your culture is absolutely Persian. You learned everything from Iranians. Read Seljuk era and Ottoman part:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people

Didn't you say Anatolians were Iranians..???? lolllllll
You are pathetic.

Sum percentage of J2, R1a, G, L and K together and you'll get the Iranian answer.

 

[Attila the Hun]

Lolll... Your culture is absolutely Persian. You learned everything from Iranians. Read Seljuk era and Ottoman part:

I did read it. and it's nonsense. Seljuks and Ottomans cared little for Persian Culture. The Ottomans especially looked towards EUROPE and Central Asia. Anatolia too obviously
Ataturk also removed a lot of Persian words and replaced them with French ones.
And then you got German influence in the past century. But not too much.
I am not even going to mention Greek,Slav(Balkan) , etc.

 

[Erl]

Now we are Turk or Turks are us?!
The irony fact is that the people prophet has chosen them, never belonged to one race.
If race was important, Hitler also was my brother. LOL He was Ariyan.
In any case true Muslims are created fro the same soil as our prophet has mentioned. I might have brothers in USA, England, Turkey, Pakistan, Palestine etc that currently are fighting for strength of prophet's ideology.
Please don't make such non sense a thread again @Attila the Hun
In my opinion beliefs make brotherhood not race. Over

 

[Attila the Hun]

Now we are Turk or Turks are us?!
The irony fact is that the people prophet has chosen them, never belonged to one race.
If race was important, Hitler also was my brother. LOL He was Ariyan.
In any case true Muslims are created fro the same soil as our prophet has mentioned. I might have brothers in USA, England, Turkey, Pakistan, Palestine etc that currently are fighting for strength of prophet's ideology.
Please don't make such non sense a thread again @Attila the Hun
In my opinion beliefs make brotherhood not race. Over

your friend keeps mentioning it, so thought i'd dedicate a thread to it......

 

[Aramagedon]

I did read it. and it's nonsense. Seljuks and Ottomans cared little for Persian Culture. The Ottomans especially looked towards EUROPE and Central Asia. Anatolia too obviously
Ataturk also removed a lot of Persian words and replaced them with French ones.
And then you got German influence in the past century. But not too much.
I am not even going to mention Greek,Slav(Balkan) , etc.

Whatever suits your fancy.