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Turkish Nucleur Bomb

Iran can be split into 100 pieces, especially when half of your country is non-Persians. And about Güneydoğu Anadolu, its Turkish and it will remain Turkish, don't worry about that.

When Russians were supporting and financing PKK, we also did the same and armed Chechens. Now, mountain pigs don't have Russian crap anymore. If Iran wants to play tough why shouldn't we do the same? As you said, So don't throw stones if you live in glass houses.

Ancient Turks were smart guys. They discovered that we have no friends but Turks. Current goverment must learn this.

Yes,in a parallel world,many things can happen.Iran and Turkey should only boost economic ties and let alone the political problems in the other country,because it's a lose-lose game.You may not agree,but no one benefits from any ethnic unrest in our region.
 
KSA did help alot we gota give it when its due , KSA and Turkey helped one of the most in the floods aswell , KSA gave alottttt of money to help , we provided some money and alot of resources , trains , like so many trucks and even after floods , KSA helps alot most of the times but its unseen and other gulf countries but i dont know specifically , but also Pakistan helps whatever it can most of the time aswell . Everyone is trying to help with what it has.

That's the problem, no matter how huge the help is, they tend to ignore it, and repeat over and over again the assistance they gave in the old times, Iran, Libya, Egypt, Algeria, Yemen, and Syria got far more assistance from NK regarding ballistic missile and nuke tech, all they had to do was asking and paying money. Maybe I'm being harsh but it's time to get over it with honesty.
 
Trust me Pakistani's still are grateful people , look howmuch here is Pro-Saudi and Pro-arab , these are because of helps and living their . Pakistan never does fitna things , however just look at Iran , constantly spreading fitna in all our countries.

I am not talking about Pakistanis, but rather some members here especially that honorable Armstrong whom I respect the most and take his input seriously, we are just talking here.
 
Deno,you must be kidding right?
You really don't want to ban Ottoman-Turk only because he is your compatriot?Didn't he insult enough?Isn't he using his like 20th fake account?
Ithought,at least as a moderator,you can act professional and neutral,I was wrong indeed.When you ban people,you should ban all those who insult.Fail:tdown:
 
I have read somewhere that we have 10-20 nucleur bombs given by US that can be used by us and this can be used by the ''Ceylan'' 142 av-bombardiman filo . ( i cant remember the source)
I thought those were only for NATO's use against Russia or Iran (now)?




Also its said that by some Turkish people i spoke to , Nucluer bomb isnt needed in this day and age and nobody can use it as theres UN etc unless something very , very , very extreme.
UN is a joke of a organization. US of A and its daddy israel have broken UN laws countless times.

US of A remains the only country to have used nukes on civilian population, yet they get to decide who is a responsible nuke power and who isn't.
 
The Turks know Pakistan has got their back whenever they want to start enrichment, but as of now they are well respected and don't need any nuclear weapons.


But to say the Turks don't have the technology at all is ridiculous. There are lot of back room dealings between Pakistan and Turkey, and the Turks are already very proficient in science and R & D.


It's not a matter of how for Turkey, but a matter of when.

When will Pakistan have the back of its own people? You know, the one's who are killed on a weekly basis by American drones.

Q: So what kind of a nuclear power allows another country to kill its civilian through extrajudicial means and get away with it?

A: Pakistan.
 
My dear friend, Iran helped Pakistan during the Indo-Pakistani war.

That was the Shah's Iran. Post 1979 Iran has been pro-india, but i can understand why since Pakistan has been pro-Saudi.

Even then though, Pakistan did try to form friendly ties with the post 1979 Iran, i don't know what happened from there.
 
That was the Shah's Iran. Post 1979 Iran has been pro-india, but i can understand why since Pakistan has been pro-Saudi.

Even then though, Pakistan did try to form friendly ties with the post 1979 Iran, i don't know what happened from there.

I'm not an expert on Iranian-Pakistani relations, but didn't Pakistan had close ties with the organization who were behind the killings of 8 Iranian diplomats in Afghanistan? I don't know if that's true or this event had an effect on the relations between these 2 nations, but Wikipedia highlights Pakistan's role in this:

1998 Iranian diplomats murder in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I by the way support a stronger relationship between these 2 neighbors, but considering KSA's relationship with Pakistan, this almost seems unthinkable. KSA, according to Wikileaks, fears such relationship.
 
Libya–Pakistan relations



Libya-Pakistan relations refers to the bilateral and diplomatic relations between Libya and Pakistan. The relationship has been friendly throughout its history. Both countries share religious and cultural links, particularly their Islamic heritage.

Bhutto's ties with Colonel Gaddafi

The early 1970s were the first time the Pakistani populace began to notice Muammar Gaddafi. Gaddafi gave a speech at the Organisation of the Islamic Conference meeting, where he declared support for Pakistan to pursue development of nuclear weapons, an issue which had been made a hot-topic by the United States. When he came to Pakistan to attend the second Islamic Summit Conference in 1974, he stated, "Pakistan is the fort of Islam."

Because of Gaddafi's support for Pakistan's nuclear detterence program, he became a popular figure within the country. Gaddafi cricket stadium in Lahore, the largest in the country, was named after him. However, after success of Operation Fair Play — code-name for the coup d'état conducted at midnight on July 4, 1977 by the Pakistan Army led by Chief of Army Staff General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq against the democratic civilian government of then-Pakistan Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the ties periodically strained. In 1978, Pakistan's ISI immediately cut its ties with Libya.


Post Bhutto era

After the removal of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, the ties with Pakistan severed. General Zia hated and distrusted Colonel Gaddafi, therefore he immediately cut all the military aid to Libya. Libya hosted and trained militants and dissidents of Al-Zulfiqar which was established by Bhutto's children. However the plan was thwarted by the ISI when it had discovered and placed a mole in the Libyan embassy.

The ties were restored by Benazir Bhutto when she became country's first female Prime minister after she secured the mandate during the 1988 parliamentary elections. The ties continued until Benazir Bhutto was removed from power after amid corruption charges. The new coming Prime minister Navaz Sharif was sworned as the Prime minister after the parliamentary elections, 1990, and the new Prime minister soon paid a state visit to Libya. In 1991, Sharif visit and met with Gaddafi. Gaddafi traditionally opposed Sharif's Western conservatism, and during the meeting, Gaddafi demanded Sharif to sell him a nuclear bomb as Gaddafi suspected that Pakistan had developed years later. Sharif refused Gaddafi's demand and urged him to continue the economical relations with Pakistan. Gaddafi insulted the Prime minister and labeled him as "Corrupt politician", which dismayed and insulted the Prime minister. The Prime minister's delegation members and journalists were initially shocked and troubled with Gaddafi's attitude. Therefore, Sharif cancelled the talks and immediately returning to Pakistan and soon expelled Libyan Ambassador.

In 2001, Pakistan via ISI, passed intelligence about the Gulf States and the nuclear ambitions of Iran and Libya, whose programs Pakistani scientists had helped to build. Pakistan began providing details of Libyan nuclear programme to Israel's Mossad. These evidence were made public by the United States but concealed the names of sources.

The Bilateral Relationship

Pakistan received economic assistance from Libya in the 1970s, aiding in the country's recovery after the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. More recently, Libya has provided assistance to Pakistan to fight against floods, infections, disease, and other natural calamities in Pakistan.
In 1976, The Libyan Central Bank provided a loan of US $50 million to the Habib Bank of Pakistan as a form of aid. In the same year, an economic and cultural agreement was also signed, in which a combined shipping company was established.
There are around 30,000 Pakistanis who are residents of Libya. In 2009, the Pakistani government pledged to send 50,000 skilled workers to Libya by the end of the year under a Memorandum of Understanding signed between the two countries during a visit of the President of Pakistan to Libya.

Which is why i believe Pakistan should have maintained strong ties with Ghaddafi, perhaps today we could have sent him some troops to save his government or at least help him into exile.
 
Which is why i believe Pakistan should have maintained strong ties with Ghaddafi, perhaps today we could have sent him some troops to save his government or at least help him into exile.

Yeh, you should have sent some anti-air defense systems to shoot down Nato jets. :blah:
 
I'm not an expert on Iranian-Pakistani relations, but didn't Pakistan had close ties with the organization who were behind the killings of 8 Iranian diplomats in Afghanistan? I don't know if that's true or this event had an effect on the relations between these 2 nations, but Wikipedia highlights Pakistan's role in this:

1998 Iranian diplomats murder in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I by the way support a stronger relationship between these 2 neighbors, but considering KSA's relationship with Pakistan, this almost seems unthinkable. KSA, according to Wikileaks, fears such relationship.
Yeah, Pakistan did back the Taliban (unfortunately), but the Taliban weren't only under Pakistan's control, they're like a pack of loose attack dogs made up of different factions. Pakistan wanted to keep india out of Afghanistan so that was our reason of supporting them, Iran however had sectarian differences with the Taliban therefor it opposed them and supported the Northern Alliance. The Northern Alliances were not only backed by Iran but also backed by india and Russia for their own reasons.

Everyone backed each faction for their own gains; Pakistan to keep india out, Saudi/GCC to encircle Iran, Iran to secure Afghanistan of Saudi influence, Russia to prevent Islamic movements from encroaching in its sphere of influence (the CAR').

However, i still don't know why Pakistan and Post-1979 Iran relations were sour from 1979-1995 (Taliban only came into picture in 1996 i believe). Pakistan stayed neutral in the Iran-Iraq war despite pro-Saudi dictator Zial Ul Haq's government, heck we mediated between Iran and Iraq and helped to bring the war to an end.
 
That would make US a nuclear weapons prolifrator,no one give ready made nuclear weaponsto anyone.

I have read somewhere that we have 10-20 nucleur bombs given by US that can be used by us and this can be used by the ''Ceylan'' 142 av-bombardiman filo . ( i cant remember the source)

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Also its said that by some Turkish people i spoke to , Nucluer bomb isnt needed in this day and age and nobody can use it as theres UN etc unless something very , very , very extreme.
 

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