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Hello Bro's there is a subject who I want to say yours ;
All of us know our navy have a biggest problems. And our enemies on the east-med more powerfull than us with the help of İsrael and France. Our navy have many major problems ;
1- We have not Air Defence Frigate + we have not balanced AAW +ASW +ASUW fleet
2- Our land attack capability is weak (especially submarines)
3- And our shipbuilding capability is limited.
Yes we have tf-2000 project but we isnt see any of them before 8-10 year, yes we have gezgin project but there is no sign about him, yes we have the milden project but there is no sign about him. But war in the door. Our enemies have good aip subs, they are buy and lease good ships and try to take ship based cruise missiles etc.
We must give a powerfull reaction to hims. İn this point we must need smart solutions and stop gaps. I'm really thinking much more about him and I decided the fastest and cheapest way to respond enemies are Quadpack Siper + Atmaca's Land Attack Version.
Quadpack Siper :
We are work on siper. İt would be very diffrent combines but we need 100-120 km ranged 20 km alttituted quadpack capable siper missile.
Why :
Just because our ships have very few vls launcher. And building new ships mean +5-6 year for us. We should evaluate our current ships. For this reason we need quadpack Siper missile. İf it possible we will have 6x Air Defence Frigate. we can put him 4x gabya's 8x vls tube with 32 quantity also they have 32x sm-1 mid range missile. And we can put hims 2 of our barbaros's 16x vls with 32x siper + 32x essm configuration. And we can have this with any other modernization, vls increase etc. just place and many software issiues.
Our vls's on our gabya and barbaros's have 6.86 meter lenght and quadpack capability.
As we see in the concept of siper we can see 2 stage. And lenghts of two stage is same. There two option about first stage of missile. Directly Gökdoğan or 1.5 times more diametered g-40. For two option its first stage lenght will be around 3-3.5 meter. Just because one of them copy of amraam/mica other one copy of essm. İf two stage lenght is same on siper. So it could be 6.5-7 meter lenght. So we can fit him our vls's.
But we can clearly see booster section diameter is more larger than missile section. So that means first stage missile is g-40 there is no hope for quadpack capability on siper. But if first stage is gökdoğan there is hope for quadpack capability on siper. Just because gökdoğan diameter will be 160-180 mm and booster looks 240-260 mm on this condition.
Problem is using gökdoğan for first stage is range ? We can see aster-30 and aster 15 about that ;
First stage of aster is Mica Rf missile who have 20 km range and 10 km alttitude when launch from land and 60 km from air to air. İf we use 65 km ranged gökdoğan as a first stage we can reach same range and altittude with aster-30 . Why :
1- Mr. Gurcan says real range is gökdoğan more than 65 km
2- Yes Aster-30 booster more large dimatered but siper booster is more longer than him (around 1.8 meter more )
Opss! Yours can say why frenchs make a wider booster instead of longer. Why they are's refuse the quadpack capability on aster-15's ? Simple;
Aster base missile vl mica range is lower than gökdoğan . So In the Aster- 15 they need a much more longer booster for reach missile to accapteable medium ranges.
But if they use longer booster on aster-15 missile cant fit slyver a43 launchers . And this launcher used many more low tonnaged battleships maked and designed by frenchs. İf they not decrease the lenght and increase the diameter of booster on aster-15, frenchs should be loose much more money due to cant sell much more countries aster-15. Moroccan , egyptian, italian and french navy usa a43 launchers.
As a result without the specs of siper we need 6.88 meter lenghted, 260-280 mm max diametered 100-120 km ranged 20 km alttituted mainly bases anti aircraft version of siper. We can use him smart-s mk2 + aselsan akr-d fcr sensor suite like frencs use asters herakles + sting eo sensor suite.
Land Attack Atmaca ;
We need a sea and sub launched cruise missile's . Gezgin is not around for todays. But atmaca in there. İn the basis atmaca is a cruise missile but he's modified for againts ships with high amount of warhead + active radar seeker. He have a range around 220-280 km in low alttitude (high is much more) . Currently land attack capability is limited on Atmaca block 1 . Just because he have only ins/gps + radar seeker on block 1 but if we add him + terminal iir seker guidance and reattach active radar seeker and his power source on atmaca we can gain more weight save and more range and better missile for land attac due iir seeker. Land attack version of atmaca will be 300-400 km ranged due his flight profile.
On the other hand gezgin size's and lenght will me much more than atmaca and harpoon class. So possibly we need a design new capsulefor launch gezgin from type-2009 and 214's. On the other hand we have sub-harpoon capability. We can use same capsule and infanstructure of sub harpoon on sub launched atmaca. That mean much few time for have free sub launched cruise missile capability.
So whe can integrate hims our 8 type 209/1400 and also 6x type 214 . Type 209 can carry 8x torpedo + 6x atmaca and type-214's 8x torpedo and 10x atmaca total capacity of 94 around. Even 54 atmaca-land attack good for strike french naval ports from subs. Also we can add 8x anti ship missiles +8x atmaca land attack variant to our General Propouse/Anti Surface Warfare Class ships.
With help of him we can reorganize our fleet like that :
6x Gabya (smart-s mk2 + 8x vls for 32x siper and 32x sm-1) + 2x Barbaros (16x vls ones for 32x siper + 32x essm) - AAW Class (Will decomissed or repalce when 6x Tf-2000 come)
4x Milgem (16x Essm/G-40/Hisar-O Cold Launchered version) + 4x Gabya (Genesis Advent without vls and smart-s) + 2x Yavuz + 2x Barbaros - For General Propouse and Anti Surface Warfare (4+4 İ Class Will Replace yavuz and gabya's- Tcg Yavuz and Turgutreis Decommissioned due bad condition)
6x Burak Class (With main cannon and atmaca upgrade ) - Anti Submarine Warfare Mission (Will replace with Asuw version of Dearsan C92 cheap Asuw Corrvetes)
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Just with this 2 simple weapon we can resist and splinter our east-med coaliton front of us. Just because especially frenchs are trust they can attack our ships from air with air launched active radar seeker capable exoceet and harpoons from off range. But with quad packed siper we can shot him and allied aircrafts. Also they can trust we cant strike their military ports and shore cities from sea but with help of land attack and sub launched atmaca we can strike their naval ports.
Frenchs is funky they cant contiune their supoorts to allieance with this conditions. And without Frenchs Greece is nothing.
All of us know our navy have a biggest problems. And our enemies on the east-med more powerfull than us with the help of İsrael and France. Our navy have many major problems ;
1- We have not Air Defence Frigate + we have not balanced AAW +ASW +ASUW fleet
2- Our land attack capability is weak (especially submarines)
3- And our shipbuilding capability is limited.
Yes we have tf-2000 project but we isnt see any of them before 8-10 year, yes we have gezgin project but there is no sign about him, yes we have the milden project but there is no sign about him. But war in the door. Our enemies have good aip subs, they are buy and lease good ships and try to take ship based cruise missiles etc.
We must give a powerfull reaction to hims. İn this point we must need smart solutions and stop gaps. I'm really thinking much more about him and I decided the fastest and cheapest way to respond enemies are Quadpack Siper + Atmaca's Land Attack Version.
Quadpack Siper :
We are work on siper. İt would be very diffrent combines but we need 100-120 km ranged 20 km alttituted quadpack capable siper missile.
Why :
Just because our ships have very few vls launcher. And building new ships mean +5-6 year for us. We should evaluate our current ships. For this reason we need quadpack Siper missile. İf it possible we will have 6x Air Defence Frigate. we can put him 4x gabya's 8x vls tube with 32 quantity also they have 32x sm-1 mid range missile. And we can put hims 2 of our barbaros's 16x vls with 32x siper + 32x essm configuration. And we can have this with any other modernization, vls increase etc. just place and many software issiues.
Our vls's on our gabya and barbaros's have 6.86 meter lenght and quadpack capability.
As we see in the concept of siper we can see 2 stage. And lenghts of two stage is same. There two option about first stage of missile. Directly Gökdoğan or 1.5 times more diametered g-40. For two option its first stage lenght will be around 3-3.5 meter. Just because one of them copy of amraam/mica other one copy of essm. İf two stage lenght is same on siper. So it could be 6.5-7 meter lenght. So we can fit him our vls's.
But we can clearly see booster section diameter is more larger than missile section. So that means first stage missile is g-40 there is no hope for quadpack capability on siper. But if first stage is gökdoğan there is hope for quadpack capability on siper. Just because gökdoğan diameter will be 160-180 mm and booster looks 240-260 mm on this condition.
Problem is using gökdoğan for first stage is range ? We can see aster-30 and aster 15 about that ;
First stage of aster is Mica Rf missile who have 20 km range and 10 km alttitude when launch from land and 60 km from air to air. İf we use 65 km ranged gökdoğan as a first stage we can reach same range and altittude with aster-30 . Why :
1- Mr. Gurcan says real range is gökdoğan more than 65 km
2- Yes Aster-30 booster more large dimatered but siper booster is more longer than him (around 1.8 meter more )
Opss! Yours can say why frenchs make a wider booster instead of longer. Why they are's refuse the quadpack capability on aster-15's ? Simple;
Aster base missile vl mica range is lower than gökdoğan . So In the Aster- 15 they need a much more longer booster for reach missile to accapteable medium ranges.
But if they use longer booster on aster-15 missile cant fit slyver a43 launchers . And this launcher used many more low tonnaged battleships maked and designed by frenchs. İf they not decrease the lenght and increase the diameter of booster on aster-15, frenchs should be loose much more money due to cant sell much more countries aster-15. Moroccan , egyptian, italian and french navy usa a43 launchers.
As a result without the specs of siper we need 6.88 meter lenghted, 260-280 mm max diametered 100-120 km ranged 20 km alttituted mainly bases anti aircraft version of siper. We can use him smart-s mk2 + aselsan akr-d fcr sensor suite like frencs use asters herakles + sting eo sensor suite.
Land Attack Atmaca ;
We need a sea and sub launched cruise missile's . Gezgin is not around for todays. But atmaca in there. İn the basis atmaca is a cruise missile but he's modified for againts ships with high amount of warhead + active radar seeker. He have a range around 220-280 km in low alttitude (high is much more) . Currently land attack capability is limited on Atmaca block 1 . Just because he have only ins/gps + radar seeker on block 1 but if we add him + terminal iir seker guidance and reattach active radar seeker and his power source on atmaca we can gain more weight save and more range and better missile for land attac due iir seeker. Land attack version of atmaca will be 300-400 km ranged due his flight profile.
On the other hand gezgin size's and lenght will me much more than atmaca and harpoon class. So possibly we need a design new capsulefor launch gezgin from type-2009 and 214's. On the other hand we have sub-harpoon capability. We can use same capsule and infanstructure of sub harpoon on sub launched atmaca. That mean much few time for have free sub launched cruise missile capability.
So whe can integrate hims our 8 type 209/1400 and also 6x type 214 . Type 209 can carry 8x torpedo + 6x atmaca and type-214's 8x torpedo and 10x atmaca total capacity of 94 around. Even 54 atmaca-land attack good for strike french naval ports from subs. Also we can add 8x anti ship missiles +8x atmaca land attack variant to our General Propouse/Anti Surface Warfare Class ships.
With help of him we can reorganize our fleet like that :
6x Gabya (smart-s mk2 + 8x vls for 32x siper and 32x sm-1) + 2x Barbaros (16x vls ones for 32x siper + 32x essm) - AAW Class (Will decomissed or repalce when 6x Tf-2000 come)
4x Milgem (16x Essm/G-40/Hisar-O Cold Launchered version) + 4x Gabya (Genesis Advent without vls and smart-s) + 2x Yavuz + 2x Barbaros - For General Propouse and Anti Surface Warfare (4+4 İ Class Will Replace yavuz and gabya's- Tcg Yavuz and Turgutreis Decommissioned due bad condition)
6x Burak Class (With main cannon and atmaca upgrade ) - Anti Submarine Warfare Mission (Will replace with Asuw version of Dearsan C92 cheap Asuw Corrvetes)
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Just with this 2 simple weapon we can resist and splinter our east-med coaliton front of us. Just because especially frenchs are trust they can attack our ships from air with air launched active radar seeker capable exoceet and harpoons from off range. But with quad packed siper we can shot him and allied aircrafts. Also they can trust we cant strike their military ports and shore cities from sea but with help of land attack and sub launched atmaca we can strike their naval ports.
Frenchs is funky they cant contiune their supoorts to allieance with this conditions. And without Frenchs Greece is nothing.
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This Greeks Really İdiot they are ready to spend 2 billion for 2 ship. But they are very great and cheap option for have 4x air defence frigate.
İsrael have a great solution for mekos . Greeks can easily modernaize his hydra's with mf-star aesa like that and barak 8 missiles. They are can use 70-80 km ranged barak-8 mrad with quadpack configuration . But if they dont want him israel can easily integrate 16x 150 km ranged barak-8er launcher behalf of hydra's aft 16x vls's. Also greeks can integrate 8x not burried vls to behalf of front ciws for 32x essm/vl-mica . for 4 ship total cost not more be 1-1.3 billion euro.
Also they can take 8x frigate version of gowind behalf of elli class.
That is the Maharaja Lela-class frigate, its frigate version of gowind. 9.300 km range is very good for asuw frigate , also they have smart-s mk2 radar already we think about use him on our İ class. Also he have vl-mica for self defence. And he have 4.400m unit price. Of course French will give hims more less price to greeks. İf greeks take him 400m euro unit price it's cost will be 3.2billion for 8 ship. + 1.3 billion for hydra aaw upgrade = 4.5 billion max cost for 4x aaw + 8x asuw frigate great fleet. But they try to take 4 ship with the price around 4 billion euro.
İsrael have a great solution for mekos . Greeks can easily modernaize his hydra's with mf-star aesa like that and barak 8 missiles. They are can use 70-80 km ranged barak-8 mrad with quadpack configuration . But if they dont want him israel can easily integrate 16x 150 km ranged barak-8er launcher behalf of hydra's aft 16x vls's. Also greeks can integrate 8x not burried vls to behalf of front ciws for 32x essm/vl-mica . for 4 ship total cost not more be 1-1.3 billion euro.
Also they can take 8x frigate version of gowind behalf of elli class.
That is the Maharaja Lela-class frigate, its frigate version of gowind. 9.300 km range is very good for asuw frigate , also they have smart-s mk2 radar already we think about use him on our İ class. Also he have vl-mica for self defence. And he have 4.400m unit price. Of course French will give hims more less price to greeks. İf greeks take him 400m euro unit price it's cost will be 3.2billion for 8 ship. + 1.3 billion for hydra aaw upgrade = 4.5 billion max cost for 4x aaw + 8x asuw frigate great fleet. But they try to take 4 ship with the price around 4 billion euro.
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