Turkish Missile Programs

[xxxKULxxx]

I wonder if it is going to be possible that arming Anka-TPs (1500kg payload capacity) with 4 MK-82 KGK ( 300 kg each for total 1200 kg). It would be a very serious firepower.

Why not ?..

 

[revojam]

I wonder if it is going to be possible that arming Anka-TPs (1500kg payload capacity) with 4 MK-82 KGK ( 300 kg each for total 1200 kg). It would be a very serious firepower.

If 1500 kg payload capacity is true then of course you can.

 

[Baykuş]

I wonder if it is going to be possible that arming Anka-TPs (1500kg payload capacity) with 4 MK-82 KGK ( 300 kg each for total 1200 kg). It would be a very serious firepower.

The question is whether if the cruising-speed of the ANKA-TP is sufficient to drop, and thus "throw" or "hurl", the bombs powerful enough to give them the velocity they require in order to glide all their way towards their target. If not, dumb MK-82:s might be preferable.

 

[revojam]

The question is whether if the cruising-speed of the ANKA-TP is sufficient to drop, and thus "throw" or "hurl", the bombs powerful enough to give them the velocity they require in order to glide all their way towards their target. If not, dumb MK-82:s might be preferable.

Giving velocity with aircraft speed? As far as i know aircrafts do exact opposite slow down as much as possible before releasing these type of free fall bombs.

 

[-SINAN-]

The question is whether if the cruising-speed of the ANKA-TP is sufficient to drop, and thus "throw" or "hurl", the bombs powerful enough to give them the velocity they require in order to glide all their way towards their target. If not, dumb MK-82:s might be preferable.

Giving velocity with aircraft speed? As far as i know aircrafts do exact opposite slow down as much as possible before releasing these type of free fall bombs.

Guys, first lets clear if MK-82 KGK is a free fall bomb or not. I'm confused at this.

This site says it has 100 km range.
F-16'lar Kanatlı Güdüm Kiti ile vuracak

Tubitak's page says it has a (30.000 ft irtifa için 60 NM ve 10.000 ft irtifa için 20 NM menzil)
Kanatlı Güdüm Kiti (KGK) | SAVUNMA SANAYİİ ARAŞTIRMA VE GELİŞTİRME ENSTİTÜSÜ

If NM is nautical miles so we can say it has a range of 100km... but i don't think it's possible to achieve a range of 100km, with a free fall bomb even with the some guidance kit applied.

Do you know if a propulsion system also has been applied with this kit ?

Edit: I watched Tubitak's video and it says KGK has range of 60 nautical miles = 100 km.

So when firing from 30.000 ft with a aircraft's speed it seems it achieves 100km range.
So, if ANKA-TP fires this bomb, it will have a less speed = less range. But it is still doable IMO.

 

[revojam]

Guys, first lets clear if MK-82 KGK is a free fall bomb or not. I'm confused at this.

This site says it has 100 km range.
F-16'lar Kanatlı Güdüm Kiti ile vuracak

Tubitak's page says it has a (30.000 ft irtifa için 60 NM ve 10.000 ft irtifa için 20 NM menzil)
Kanatlı Güdüm Kiti (KGK) | SAVUNMA SANAYİİ ARAŞTIRMA VE GELİŞTİRME ENSTİTÜSÜ

If NM is nautical miles so we can say it has a range of 100km... but i don't think it's possible to achieve a range of 100km, with a free fall bomb even with the some guidance kit applied.

Do you know if a propulsion system also has been applied with this kit ?

Edit: I watched Tubitak's video and it says KGK has range of 60 nautical miles = 100 km.

So when firing from 30.000 ft with a aircraft's speed it seems it achieves 100km range.
So, if ANKA-TP fires this bomb, it will have a less speed = less range. But it is still doable IMO.

Anka-TP will be designated to operate at 40.000 ft + you know so its shouldn't be problem with KGK archieving its maximum range in fact its range should increase even more with firing from 40.000 feet and for your questions :

1-I believe all aircraft bombs without propolsion system considered as free fall even if they have a guidance kit.
2-No there is no propolsion system for guidance kits like KGK.

 

[-SINAN-]

Anka-TP will be designated to operate at 40.000 ft + you know so its shouldn't be problem with KGK archieving its maximum range in fact its range should increase even more with firing from 40.000 feet and for your questions :

It's not all about altitude.

The initial velocity of the bomb also matters. Like @Baykuş explained.

That said if the bomb is able to glide at -5.2 degrees, it can achieve a 100km range when fired from 30.000 feet altitude (9.14 km)

 

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Did they downgrade the range, wasn't it 110 km max range before? Anywho, I don't see KGK being one of Anka-TP's armament.

For one, Anka-TP is suppose to fly over the enemy not 100km away. Better to equip UAVs with Laser guided weapons, but of course laser guided weapons also have disadvantage in terms of bad weather and to an extent laser designator range (20km). If there are barriers that prevent usage of laser guided weapons, equip'em with 25km range HGK or 500lb JDAM.

 

[Nutuk]

Anka-TP will be designated to operate at 40.000 ft + you know so its shouldn't be problem with KGK archieving its maximum range in fact its range should increase even more with firing from 40.000 feet and for your questions :

1-I believe all aircraft bombs without propolsion system considered as free fall even if they have a guidance kit.
2-No there is no propolsion system for guidance kits like KGK.

There is a general misconception about the altitudes of UAV's 40,000 feet is the ceiling that the UAV can achieve and usually she would fly operations at less than half of her ceiling height.

Anka UAV for instance can fly at a ceiling of 30,000 feet but her operational use is mostly at 10,000 feet.

 

[revojam]

There is a general misconception about the altitudes of UAV's 40,000 feet is the ceiling that the UAV can achieve and usually she would fly operations at less than half of her ceiling height.

Anka UAV for instance can fly at a ceiling of 30,000 feet but her operational use is mostly at 10,000 feet.

While you are right for just because its max altitute is 30.000 feet it doesn't mean its gonna be used on 30.000 but on other hand your estimated usage altitude is too low(10.000 feet).Just few days ago i was watching an interview with Murat Bayar dates 2012 during interview when topic came to Anka he clearly stated for them Anka's operational altitude is between 20.000 to 24.000 feet and thats where they fly it most of time.

Here the interview i was talking about but mind you its long :

 

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Air defense program continues to stumble into chaos - DEFENSE UPDATE

Aselsan option

Procurement officials familiar with the program said Eurosam’s solution had lost part of its allure after military electronics specialist Aselsan, Turkey’s biggest defense firm, emerged as an out-of-competition option. “Eurosam could deliver the system only a couple of years earlier than Aselsan which makes it more reasonable to go for a local solution in comparison with the European solution,” one official said.

Aselsan has been quietly working to assess an indigenous solution for what would become Turkey’s first long-range air and anti-missile defense system. Aselsan thinks it can deliver the T-LORAMIDS in about eight to 10 years.

In 2007, when Turkey decided to build low-, medium- and high-altitude air defense, it chose a partnership of Aselsan and Roketsan, a local missile maker, for the low- and medium-altitude systems, and award the long-altitude contract to a foreign manufacturer. Last October, Aselsan completed the test launch of its first domestically developed and manufactured low altitude air defense missiles, Hisar-A, and set off to work on Hisar-O, the medium-altitude system.

Aselsan, the prime contractor, is developing all radar, fire control, command and control and communication systems for the program while Roketsan is acting as the executive sub-contractor. Ideally, the HİSAR-A system, which will provide protection against all kinds of airborne targets thanks to its vertical launch capability, will enter the Turkish military inventory in 2017.

When combined and made interoperable, Hisar-A and Hisar-O will destroy threats at low-medium altitude. The program involves the development and production of two types of ground systems, self-propelled armored and wheeled vehicle mounted air defense missile systems, and the missile.
Hisar-A is an air defense missile system mounted on a self-propelled armored vehicle and can be fully autonomous by means of 3D radar, Electro-Optic system, command control and fire control.

Hisar-O is composed of one battalion headquarters and headquarters company and three batteries, each of which has a sufficient amount of launchers, missiles, radars, command-control and communication systems and other support equipment.

But procurement officials now privately think that both Hisar-A and Hisar-O could face major delays due to problems, particularly with the guidance system they would operate. “We are worried that if Aselsan finds it problematic to construct a system covering a 10-to-15-kilometer range on time, could it really deliver a much more complex and long-range system on time?” said the official. “We are not sure if Aselsan would be the best option other than for its ‘local-ness.’”
June/10/2014

 

[Kompromat]

Air defense program continues to stumble into chaos - DEFENSE UPDATE

Aselsan option

Procurement officials familiar with the program said Eurosam’s solution had lost part of its allure after military electronics specialist Aselsan, Turkey’s biggest defense firm, emerged as an out-of-competition option. “Eurosam could deliver the system only a couple of years earlier than Aselsan which makes it more reasonable to go for a local solution in comparison with the European solution,” one official said.

Aselsan has been quietly working to assess an indigenous solution for what would become Turkey’s first long-range air and anti-missile defense system. Aselsan thinks it can deliver the T-LORAMIDS in about eight to 10 years.

In 2007, when Turkey decided to build low-, medium- and high-altitude air defense, it chose a partnership of Aselsan and Roketsan, a local missile maker, for the low- and medium-altitude systems, and award the long-altitude contract to a foreign manufacturer. Last October, Aselsan completed the test launch of its first domestically developed and manufactured low altitude air defense missiles, Hisar-A, and set off to work on Hisar-O, the medium-altitude system.

Aselsan, the prime contractor, is developing all radar, fire control, command and control and communication systems for the program while Roketsan is acting as the executive sub-contractor. Ideally, the HİSAR-A system, which will provide protection against all kinds of airborne targets thanks to its vertical launch capability, will enter the Turkish military inventory in 2017.

When combined and made interoperable, Hisar-A and Hisar-O will destroy threats at low-medium altitude. The program involves the development and production of two types of ground systems, self-propelled armored and wheeled vehicle mounted air defense missile systems, and the missile.
Hisar-A is an air defense missile system mounted on a self-propelled armored vehicle and can be fully autonomous by means of 3D radar, Electro-Optic system, command control and fire control.

Hisar-O is composed of one battalion headquarters and headquarters company and three batteries, each of which has a sufficient amount of launchers, missiles, radars, command-control and communication systems and other support equipment.

But procurement officials now privately think that both Hisar-A and Hisar-O could face major delays due to problems, particularly with the guidance system they would operate. “We are worried that if Aselsan finds it problematic to construct a system covering a 10-to-15-kilometer range on time, could it really deliver a much more complex and long-range system on time?” said the official. “We are not sure if Aselsan would be the best option other than for its ‘local-ness.’”
June/10/2014

Don't let them fool you. The entire world said Pakistan couldn't build nukes, well we ran two parallel programs, just in case one fails, both succeeded, we also ran two parallel ballistic missile programs, as a failsafe measure, both bore fruit and helped Turkey with Yildirm series too. Turkey can build whatever it wants to, you just need to believe in yourself and keep working.

 

[cabatli_53]

Don't let them fool you. The entire world said Pakistan couldn't build nukes, well we ran two parallel programs, just in case one fails, both succeeded, we also ran two parallel ballistic missile programs, as a failsafe measure, both bore fruit and helped Turkey with Yildirm series too. Turkey can build whatever it wants to, you just need to believe in yourself and keep working.

Bro, Until now, I haven't witnessed a program Aselsan commenced but failed so If Aselsan insists on development of long range SAM indigenously, It means They know something better than journalists and can manage to do it.

 

[Kompromat]

Bro, Until now, I haven't witnessed a program Aselsan commenced but failed so If Aselsan insists on development of long range SAM indigenously, It means They know something better than journalists and can manage to do it.

We got your back on Ballistic and Cruise Missile front.

Most of us have no idea how deep PakTurk nexus goes. Abdali to Yildrim, MRBLs, Ra'ad, MUPSOW to SOM, we've facilitated every bit Turkey needed and asked for. Things we couldn't provide were sourced to Turkey via China. Turkey has a lot of gear hidden away or can be transported to Turkey upon request


Turkish SAM program is very attractive prospect for Pakistan,so i hope that we collaborate.

 

[xxxKULxxx]

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