Turkish Missile Programs

[OguzSenturk]

I think equivalent of UMTAS is Spike-ER(8km), equivalent of OMTAS is Spike-LR (4km)

 

[UkroTurk]

Mizrak-U/UMTAS = Spike-LR/Hellfire
Mizrak-O/OMTAS = Spike MR/TOW
Mizrak-K/KaraOk = Spike SR/Javelin

But TOW is wire guided old generation atgm. The UMTAS-OMTAS seem to be IR guided next generation missiles.

what about our Eryx?

ERYX is also wire guided as same as TOW.

Omtas has Just infra-red guide.
But javelin is also ir guided.Whats the highlight between them? Range couldnt be a main difference.

 

[cabatli_53]

But according to Rocketsan specification omtas range is 200 - 4000
which is similar to Spike LR max range. And they both have a IR -seeker. and similar flight characteristics

Tow doesn't have that right ?

Yep, It is Spike-ER which has 8km fire forget missile which is equivalent of Mizrak-U. My mistake.

But TOW is wire guided old generation atgm. The UMTAS-OMTAS seem to be IR guided next generation missiles.


ERYX is also wire guided as same as TOW.

Omtas has Just infra-red guide.
But javelin is also ir guided.Whats the highlight between them? Range couldnt be a main difference.

In terms of guidance generation, Spike and Mizrak series are ahead of wire guided Tow and laser beam rider Kornet missiles. IIR guidance provide fire-forget/update and lock on before/after launch capabilities that others can't even come close bro but;

Mizrak-O is designed to provide similar mission profiles with Kornet and TOW missiles Turkish Army uses. Mizrak-O will be a tripod launchable missile to be integrated on Pars 4x4 and Kaplan-10 tracked vehicles to replace Tow missiles on M-113.

Mizrak-K is designed as man portable missile which is going to provide similar mission profile with Javelin missiles.

 

[OguzSenturk]

But javelin is also ir guided.Whats the highlight between them? Range couldnt be a main difference.

You are confusing class and generation. 60s heavy tank is still in heavy tank class, but it's generation is older.

Javelin and Omtas are different class missiles, their technological generation similar.
TOW and Omtas are same class missiles, their generation is different.
Spike-Lr and Omtas are same class missiles, their generation is also similar.

 

[Vergennes]

Even France is buy?? What the hell those Javelins are? Witchcraft?

France has javelins for quite some time now. Many were bought for the Afghan theater.

This year the army is going to receive MMP missiles from MBDA.

 

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France has javelins for quite some time now. Many were bought for the Afghan theater.

This year the army is going to receive MMP missiles from MBDA.

Does MMP have ability to auto-fly out to designated map coordinate after launch?

Let's say, recon unit encounters a tank 4km away from ATGM crew which is a few hills away. Recon unit passes co-oridinates of the tank to the ATGM crew. ATGM Crew inputs it into launcher, launches ATGM. ATGM flys out to designated co-ordinate. ATGM crew spots Tank at Co-Ordinate, locks onto tank and destroys tank. All without having any visual confirmation and relying on recon units intel.

OMTAS has the ability to fly out to map coordinates set by the launcher, thus, making OMTAS an NLOS ATGM.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Does MMP have ability to auto-fly out to designated map coordinate before launch?

Let's say, recon unit encounters a tank 4km away from ATGM crew which is a few hills away. Recon unit passes co-oridinates of the tank to the ATGM crew. ATGM Crew inputs it into launcher, launches ATGM. ATGM flys out to designated co-ordinate. ATGM crew spots Tank at Co-Ordinate, locks onto tank and destroys tank. All without having any visual confirmation and relying on recon units intel.

OMTAS has the ability to fly out to map coordinates set by the launcher, thus, making OMTAS an NLOS ATGM.

yes. mid-course update and beyond visual.

 

[Khagan1923]

Hmm there are rumors that the reason we bought Javelins because the greeks are trying to buy second-hand M1 Abrams.

https://twitter.com/x/status/967102876337278977

We should buy one Abrams and blow it up with Mizrak and film it.

 

[Bismarck]

US shows sanctions card for S-400, Turkey indifferent
DAILY SABAH
ANKARA
Published13 hours ago
Amid the recent agreement between Ankara and Washington to enhance dialogue and mend diplomatic fences, the U.S. called on Turkey to reconsider its decision to purchase Russian S-400 defense system saying that the country might face sanctions. However, Turkish officials ruled out possibility of direct sanctions and reminded failed promises of "Turkey's allies" on the defense systems issue.

The Habertürk daily reported that an official from Washington told journalists in U.S. that "The U.S. understands that Turkey wants to strengthen its air defense. However, we have concerns over possible purchase of Russian S-400 systems. We are clearly voicing this. This purchase might have negative implications over the interoperability of NATO and within the framework of newly passed law in Congress it might pose sanctions against Turkey." The official also added that "We want to help Turkey find a better alternative to meet its air defense needs."

Turkish officials have been stressing that Turkey had asked its NATO allies to purchase defense systems, however its needs remained unmet which prompted Turkey to purchase Russian S-400 system. While the U.S. has been lampooning the process of Turkey's purchase of S-400, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg previously acknowledged that Turkey faces significant threats to its national security and it is a national decision to have the system.

As a new law passed in the U.S. which included the Russian companies selling S-400 systems in the sanction list, the question looms over now whether Turkey will face sanctions or not.

"When the U.S. includes the company selling the S-400 system within the scope of sanctions, there is a possibility that Turkey might indirectly affected by this. However, they cannot impose a direct sanction against Turkey," Fikri Işık, deputy prime minister said in relation to the issue. The issue of imposing sanctions against the system was also raised during the meetings of the U.S. Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson in Ankara. In the joint press conference with Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, Tillerson said that the issue will be carefully evaluated and a group of experts will work on that. Tillerson underlined that the decision was taken against Russia and not aiming to harm the allies of the U.S.

Commenting on the issue, Çavuşoğlu said that "Turkey urgently needs an air defense system. We want to buy from our allies but it failed." He stressed that Turkey had to look for other alternatives to meet its needs and added that Turkey has no problems with its allies. Çavuşoğlu stated that the members of the commission working on the issue need to understand each other well. In December, Turkey officially signed a $2.5 billion agreement with Russia for the S-400s — Russia's most advanced long-range anti-aircraft missile system.

Aiming to address its growing defense needs, Turkey decided to purchase the S-400 missile defense system from Russia. Turkey will be the first NATO member country to acquire the system.

Moreover, Turkey seeks to build its own missile defense systems as the deal also involves the transfer of technology and know-how. The S-400 system, which was introduced in 2007, is the new generation of Russian missile systems, and so far Russia has only sold them to China and India.

 

[CAN_TR]

US shows sanctions card for S-400, Turkey indifferent
DAILY SABAH
ANKARA
Published13 hours ago
Amid the recent agreement between Ankara and Washington to enhance dialogue and mend diplomatic fences, the U.S. called on Turkey to reconsider its decision to purchase Russian S-400 defense system saying that the country might face sanctions. However, Turkish officials ruled out possibility of direct sanctions and reminded failed promises of "Turkey's allies" on the defense systems issue.

The Habertürk daily reported that an official from Washington told journalists in U.S. that "The U.S. understands that Turkey wants to strengthen its air defense. However, we have concerns over possible purchase of Russian S-400 systems. We are clearly voicing this. This purchase might have negative implications over the interoperability of NATO and within the framework of newly passed law in Congress it might pose sanctions against Turkey." The official also added that "We want to help Turkey find a better alternative to meet its air defense needs."

Turkish officials have been stressing that Turkey had asked its NATO allies to purchase defense systems, however its needs remained unmet which prompted Turkey to purchase Russian S-400 system. While the U.S. has been lampooning the process of Turkey's purchase of S-400, NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg previously acknowledged that Turkey faces significant threats to its national security and it is a national decision to have the system.

As a new law passed in the U.S. which included the Russian companies selling S-400 systems in the sanction list, the question looms over now whether Turkey will face sanctions or not.

"When the U.S. includes the company selling the S-400 system within the scope of sanctions, there is a possibility that Turkey might indirectly affected by this. However, they cannot impose a direct sanction against Turkey," Fikri Işık, deputy prime minister said in relation to the issue. The issue of imposing sanctions against the system was also raised during the meetings of the U.S. Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson in Ankara. In the joint press conference with Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, Tillerson said that the issue will be carefully evaluated and a group of experts will work on that. Tillerson underlined that the decision was taken against Russia and not aiming to harm the allies of the U.S.

Commenting on the issue, Çavuşoğlu said that "Turkey urgently needs an air defense system. We want to buy from our allies but it failed." He stressed that Turkey had to look for other alternatives to meet its needs and added that Turkey has no problems with its allies. Çavuşoğlu stated that the members of the commission working on the issue need to understand each other well. In December, Turkey officially signed a $2.5 billion agreement with Russia for the S-400s — Russia's most advanced long-range anti-aircraft missile system.

Aiming to address its growing defense needs, Turkey decided to purchase the S-400 missile defense system from Russia. Turkey will be the first NATO member country to acquire the system.

Moreover, Turkey seeks to build its own missile defense systems as the deal also involves the transfer of technology and know-how. The S-400 system, which was introduced in 2007, is the new generation of Russian missile systems, and so far Russia has only sold them to China and India.

Poland bought few months ago PATRIOT Missiles for 10.5 Billion Dollars.
Turkey never would spend that much Money for this trash Missiles.

S-400 + tech. transfer for 2.5 Billion Dollar is in my opinion the better and cheaper way.

In my opinion we should let the dogs bark,... so loud & long they can.

 

[Kutsanan]

Poland bought few months ago PATRIOT Missiles for 10.5 Billion Dollars.
Turkey never would spend that much Money for this trash Missiles.

S-400 + tech. transfer for 2.5 Billion Dollar is in my opinion the better and cheaper way.

In my opinion we should let the dogs bark,... so loud & long they can.

Patriot is proven system. We dont have any idea about s-400.

 

[Bismarck]

Poland bought few months ago PATRIOT Missiles for 10.5 Billion Dollars.
Turkey never would spend that much Money for this trash Missiles.

S-400 + tech. transfer for 2.5 Billion Dollar is in my opinion the better and cheaper way.

In my opinion we should let the dogs bark,... so loud & long they can.

About the ToT I have my doubts.

 

[damm1t]

Poland bought few months ago PATRIOT Missiles for 10.5 Billion Dollars.
Turkey never would spend that much Money for this trash Missiles.

S-400 + tech. transfer for 2.5 Billion Dollar is in my opinion the better and cheaper way.

In my opinion we should let the dogs bark,... so loud & long they can.

Deal doesn't include ToT since its a strategic system for Russia

 

[CAN_TR]

Deal doesn't include ToT since its a strategic system for Russia

Sputnik, RT and many Turkish sources claim that there is a ToT.

Patriot is proven system. We dont have any idea about s-400.

In Israel the Patriots have a success rate of around 40-50% in Saudia Arabia 70% (but few enemy targets get hit but not fully destroyed)

 

[HannibalBarca]

Sputnik, RT and many Turkish sources claim that there is a ToT.

Of no "Sensible" data/equipment.