Turkish Missile Programs

[FutureMe]

Roketsan has successfully conducted test firings of HİSAR-A, the National Low Altitude Air Defence Missile, in Aksaray during 19th to 24th of June, 2015. The tests of the Controlled Test Missile-1 (KTF-1) with its own autopilot and the Ballistic Test Missile-2 (BTF-2) with a dual pulse solid propellant rocket motor which itself is a first in Turkey, were realised with the participation of the Turkish Land Forces Command (TLFC), Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) and Aselsan.

During the tests that have now been completed, the HİSAR-A missiles successfully separated from the launcher with the ignition of the first pulse rocket motor, then igniting the second pulse motor in flight to perform the programmed maneuvers under the control of the on-board autopilot. This is the first ever successful firing of a dual pulse motor missile in Turkey, which has led Roketsan to become a proud member of the limited number of companies with similar technological capabilities in the world. As a result of these firing tests, another milestone has been completed under the development of the first national air defence missile of Turkey.

The HİSAR Projects have been designed to give Turkey a national Air Defence Missile capability towards meeting the Low and Medium Altitude Air Defence requirements of the Turkish Armed Forces and also be able to compete in world markets. The development of the radar, command & control and fire control systems fall under the responsibility of Aselsan, while the design and development of the missile systems are the responsibility of Roketsan, the Missile Center of Excellence of Turkey.

Go tiger!

 

[Blue Marlin]

it is like the aspide system ?

 

[cabatli_53]

it is like the aspide system ?

More like Mica or Iris family. Hisar family contains low and medium altitude missiles on different sizes.

Hisar-A Low altitude

Hisar-O Medium Altitude

 

[Blue Marlin]

More like Mica or Iris family. Hisar family contains low and medium altitude missiles on different sizes.

Hisar-A Low altitude

Hisar-O Medium Altitude

ok nice. something like the nasams 2 missiles.

quick question why dont you choose the aster30 air defense system for your long range sam requirement.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

We will weapons under own CONTROL; thats the easy answer.

 

[cabatli_53]

ok nice. something like the nasams 2 missiles.

View attachment 248851 quick question why dont you choose the aster30 air defense system for your long range sam requirement.
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Long altitude project is really complicated to decide which offer should be selected because There are politic, economic and ToT factors that is directly related with Turkish officials' desicions but The result is like following:

1- China FD-2000 (Best price for satisfactory ToT to develop our own Hisar-U, Avarage political stability with China for a message to our "allies")
2-EuroSam Aster-30 (French officials support for Armenian lies, high price for an avarage ToT)
3-Pac-3+ (High price, lowest ToT, no support Turkey's Syrian policies)

 

[Fenrir]

ok nice. something like the nasams 2 missiles.

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Was that meant to be a generic picture or a representation of NASAMS II? That's PAC-2, this is NASAMS II:

National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System

NASAMS - Surface Launched AMRAAM

Pics directly from the Forsvaret. Don't distribute!

3-Pac-3+ (High price, lowest ToT, no support Turkey's Syrian policies)

Why was PAC-3 offered during the T-LORAMIDS tender? It's a counter missile systems with limited anti-aircraft duties.

The PAC-3 upgrade has effectively quintupled the "footprint" that a Patriot unit can defend against ballistic missiles of all types, and has considerably increased the system's lethality and effectiveness against ballistic missiles. It has also increased the scope of ballistic missiles that Patriot can engage, which now includes several intermediate range. However, despite its increases in ballistic missile defense capabilities, the PAC-3 missile is a less capable interceptor of atmospheric aircraft and air-to-surface missiles. It is slower, has a shorter range, and has a smaller explosive warhead compared to older Patriot missiles.

Are you sure it wasn't GEM+ (MIM-104D)? PAC-3 doesn't make sense for a SAM tender.

 

[cabatli_53]

Was that meant to be a generic picture or a representation of NASAMS II? That's PAC-2, this is NASAMS II:

Why was PAC-3 offered during the T-LORAMIDS tender? It's a counter missile systems with limited anti-aircraft duties.

The PAC-3 upgrade has effectively quintupled the "footprint" that a Patriot unit can defend against ballistic missiles of all types, and has considerably increased the system's lethality and effectiveness against ballistic missiles. It has also increased the scope of ballistic missiles that Patriot can engage, which now includes several intermediate range. However, despite its increases in ballistic missile defense capabilities, the PAC-3 missile is a less capable interceptor of atmospheric aircraft and air-to-surface missiles. It is slower, has a shorter range, and has a smaller explosive warhead compared to older Patriot missiles.

Are you sure it wasn't GEM+ (MIM-104D)? PAC-3 doesn't make sense for a SAM tender.

It was 12 batteries of PAC-3 that was offered for Loramids.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Was that meant to be a generic picture or a representation of NASAMS II? That's PAC-2, this is NASAMS II:

National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System

NASAMS - Surface Launched AMRAAM

Pics directly from the Forsvaret. Don't distribute!



Why was PAC-3 offered during the T-LORAMIDS tender? It's a counter missile systems with limited anti-aircraft duties.

The PAC-3 upgrade has effectively quintupled the "footprint" that a Patriot unit can defend against ballistic missiles of all types, and has considerably increased the system's lethality and effectiveness against ballistic missiles. It has also increased the scope of ballistic missiles that Patriot can engage, which now includes several intermediate range. However, despite its increases in ballistic missile defense capabilities, the PAC-3 missile is a less capable interceptor of atmospheric aircraft and air-to-surface missiles. It is slower, has a shorter range, and has a smaller explosive warhead compared to older Patriot missiles.

Are you sure it wasn't GEM+ (MIM-104D)? PAC-3 doesn't make sense for a SAM tender.

that was the best pic i could find at short notice.

 

[Fenrir]

It was 12 batteries of PAC-3 that was offered for Loramids.

From what I'm seeing the US offer was a combination of PAC-3 and GEM-T:

On September 9, 2009 the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) notified the US Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Turkey of 13 PATRIOT Fire Units, 72 PATRIOT Advanced Capability (PAC-3) missiles, four PAC-3 Lot Validation Missiles, 197 MIM-104E PATRIOT Guidance Enhanced Missiles-T (GEM-T), four MIM-104E GEM-T Lot Validation Missiles, five PATRIOT Digital Missiles, five Anti-Tactical Missiles and other related support and equipment. The estimated cost was $7.8 billion.

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In addition, the potential sale included eight AN/USQ-140(V)(2)(c) (RT-1785) or AN/USQ-140(V)(11)(c) Multifunctional Information Distribution Systems/Low Volume Terminals (MIDS/LVT-2), 13 AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets, four Tactical Command Systems, 13 Battery Command Posts, six Communication Relay Groups, 13 Engagement Control Stations, 48 M902 Launching Stations, 52 Antenna Mast Groups, 13 Electronic Power Plant III (EPP), 100 THALES 9310C Very High Frequency (VHF) Voice Radios, 150 THALES 9310C VHF Data Radios, containers, battery and battalion maintenance equipment, prime movers, generators, electrical power units, personnel training and training equipment, trailers, communication equipment, tool and test sets, spare and repair parts, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support.

That would make more sense, I'd still go for a domestic or Eurosam option, but PAC-3 alone wouldn't even cover the basic necessities of the Loramids tender. GEM-T combined counter-air and counter-missile duties while augmenting the PAC-3's more adept ABM capabilities.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Project: T-LORAMIDS (Turkish Long Range Air and Missile Defence System)
Turkish Plans to Purchase Air Defense System:

• The Turkish government approved plans in 2006 to build medium- to long-range air defense systems against missile attacks.
• Ankara is considering buying four batteries of a theater air defense system to guard the country's strategic locations.
• The project is expected to cost at least US$1 billion.
• Potential systems under consideration reportedly include the U.S. PAC-3 , the U.S.-Israeli Arrow 2 or Russia's S-300 or S-400 .
• The United States provided Turkey with 2 Patriot Air Defense Systems during the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf War and during the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. The systems have since been dismantled.

Latest News:
August 25, 2008 – Todays Zaman
Turkey to Buy S-300 Systems for Testing
August 11, 2008 – RIA Novosti
Turkey Set to Create $1 bln Missile Shield in Ankara, Istanbul

• Turkey plans to buy eight missile defense systems abroad to protect itself against possible missile attacks
• Experts say the most effective systems for Turkey would be the Russian-made S-300/400 or the U.S. Patriot missile defense systems.
  • The United States deployed Patriots in Turkey during the war in the Persian Gulf and the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

July 25, 2008 – Russia Defense & Security (Nexis Source)
Russia Proposes Direct Interstate Negotiations with Turkey on Porposed Sale of S-400 Missile Defense System

• Proposal made by Russian during the Russian-Turkish consultation held in Moscow in June.
• Reps. of the Turkish Defense Ministry said the issue was not in their competence
  • Proposal should be considered by the secretariat of the Turkish defense industry (SSM) specializing in the purchase of military products.
• Earlier, the SSM rejected the Russian proposal to sell S-400 through interstate negotiations and invited Russia to participate in the tender.
• Rosoboronexport received specifications for the project prepared by the SSM but did not provide a response to it and proposed organization of direct interstate negotiations on sale of S-400 instead of this.
• Simultaneously, SSM rejected the Russian proposal to sell S-300 production of which would be stopped in 2015.

June 16, 2008 – Today’s Zaman
Turkey Spends More on Defense (See Expenditure Info Below)
April 30, 2008 – RIA Novosti/Global Security
Turkey May Use Russian S-300 Systems to Build Missile Shield
April 28, 2008 – Defense News
Turkey in Talks to Buy Missile Defenses U.S., Russian Systems Likely Front-runners
May 28, 2007 – The New Anatolian Turkish News
Lockheed Martin Eyeing Turkish Missile Defense System

• Lockheed Martin briefed Turkish defense officials about the system on the sidelines of an international defense fair in the Turkish capital, IDEF 2007.
• "We are ready to install for Turkey a new generation of long range missile defense system" - John Ward, Lockheed Martin deputy chair
• The new system, Patriot Advanced Capability or (PAC), was well suited to meet the requirements of Turkey's long range air and missile defense system, Ward added.

February 21, 2006 – RIA Novosti
Turkey to Buy Foreign Air- Defense Systems Worth $800 million

• Turkey's government has decided to allocate some $800 million on creating national air defenses and plans to buy four air defense systems as a first phase of the effort.
• Ankara is to choose among U.S.-made Patriot systems, Russia's S-300 (Favorit) complexes, and American-Israeli Arrow-2 systems.
• Iran's Sahap-3 medium-range missiles also prompted Turkey to speed up efforts in the sphere.

Turkish Military Expenditure
2006 = 11.8 billion USD (2.9% of GDP)
2007 = 11.06 billion USD
Source: SIPRI
2008 Militay Budget
· Turkey's Ministry of National Defense budget, comprising the budgets of the ministry as well as those of the Land, Air and Naval Forces Commands, has been fixed at YTL 13.27 billion (around $11.06 billion) for 2008, a 1.7 percent increase from 2007.
· With the proposed total fiscal year budget for 2008 fixed at YTL 222.31 billion ($185.26 billion), the Ministry of National Defense allocation comprises around 6 percent of the total budget and corresponds to 1.85 percent of the GNP.
2007 SSM Activity Report

• Defense Industries Support Fund (SSDF) income, mainly comprising revenues from the state-run lottery, reached $2.459 billion in 2007
  • $1.581 billion of this amount was spent primarily for arms acquisition including an amount earmarked for local development of defense systems
  • Turkish policy aims to increase the local content of military projects to reduce the reliance on main systems abroad to 50 percent by the end of 2011.

Current Turkish Air Defense Equipment – Military Periscope

May 05 May 06 June 07 June 08
Air Defense Guns
262 262 262 262 40-mm M42A1 twin self-propelled Skysweeper
803 803 803 803 40-mm L60/L70 single (Sweden)
40 40 40 40 40-mm T-1
120 120 120 120 35-mmGDF-003 towed twin (Switzerland)
439 439 439 439 20-mm GAI-DO1 twin towed (Switzerland)
Sources:
http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-26740.html
http://en.rian.ru/world/20060221/43674608.html
http://www.militaryperiscope.com/nations/nato/turkey/army/index.html
http://search.defensenews.com/sp?aff=1100&keywords=turkey+s-300&Search.x=0&Search.y=0&Search=Search
http://en.rian.ru/world/20080811/115953979.html
http://milexdata.sipri.org/result.php4

 

[cabatli_53]

From what I'm seeing the US offer was a combination of PAC-3 and GEM-T:

On September 9, 2009 the US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) notified the US Congress of a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Turkey of 13 PATRIOT Fire Units, 72 PATRIOT Advanced Capability (PAC-3) missiles, four PAC-3 Lot Validation Missiles, 197 MIM-104E PATRIOT Guidance Enhanced Missiles-T (GEM-T), four MIM-104E GEM-T Lot Validation Missiles, five PATRIOT Digital Missiles, five Anti-Tactical Missiles and other related support and equipment. The estimated cost was $7.8 billion.

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In addition, the potential sale included eight AN/USQ-140(V)(2)(c) (RT-1785) or AN/USQ-140(V)(11)(c) Multifunctional Information Distribution Systems/Low Volume Terminals (MIDS/LVT-2), 13 AN/MPQ-65 Radar Sets, four Tactical Command Systems, 13 Battery Command Posts, six Communication Relay Groups, 13 Engagement Control Stations, 48 M902 Launching Stations, 52 Antenna Mast Groups, 13 Electronic Power Plant III (EPP), 100 THALES 9310C Very High Frequency (VHF) Voice Radios, 150 THALES 9310C VHF Data Radios, containers, battery and battalion maintenance equipment, prime movers, generators, electrical power units, personnel training and training equipment, trailers, communication equipment, tool and test sets, spare and repair parts, publications and technical documentation, U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support.

That would make more sense, I'd still go for a domestic or Eurosam option, but PAC-3 alone wouldn't even cover the basic necessities of the Loramids tender. GEM-T combined counter-air and counter-missile duties while augmenting the PAC-3's more adept ABM capabilities.

Thx for clarification for Patriot system. I totally missed the Gem-T section of USA Patriot offers. It makes more sense now...

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Patriot Guidance Enhanced Missile (GEM-T)
Guidance Enhanced Missile TBM (GEM-T) is the latest in-production series of the highly successful Raytheon Patriot missile variants available to both U.S. forces and international customers. GEM-T deliveries to the U.S. Army began in 2006. This capability adds a low-noise oscillator for improved acquisition and tracking performance in clutter. The GEM-T missile provides an upgraded capability to defeat tactical ballistic missile (TBM), aircraft and cruise missile threats in complement to the PAC-3 missile.
A modernized digital fuze design eliminates obsolescence and introduces significant performance improvements against TBM targets. This design also increases sensitivity for improved performance against high-speed TBM targets. The low noise front end (LNFE) of the GEM-T has increased seeker sensitivity, improving acquisition/track performance. The new low noise oscillator design has a modified down-link, which provides an increased signal to interference ratio, improving acquisition/ track performance against small ABT and cruise missile targets in clutter.
The GEM variants were combat proven in Operation Iraqi Freedom. In 2003, the U.S. and coalition Patriot units were deployed throughout the CENTCOM region to protect forces and populations from the threat of ballistic missiles. The improvements developed and fielded since 1991 reflect the enhanced capabilities of Patriot to protect against threats to both static assets and forces in the attack. The Configuration-3 ground equipment, PAC-3 and GEM-T series of missiles are all combat proven.

 

[Bismarck]

Roketsan's press release about “Firing Tests”

August 10th 2015 ROKETSAN

The First National Air Defence Missile of Turkey, HİSAR Records Another First!


Roketsan has successfully conducted test firings of HİSAR-A, the National Low Altitude Air Defence Missile, in Aksaray during 19th to 24th of June, 2015. The tests of the Controlled Test Missile-1 (KTF-1) with its own autopilot and the Ballistic Test Missile-2 (BTF-2) with a dual pulse solid propellant rocket motor which itself is a first in Turkey, were realised with the participation of the Turkish Land Forces Command (TLFC), Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) and Aselsan.

During the tests that have now been completed, the HİSAR-A missiles successfully separated from the launcher with the ignition of the first pulse rocket motor, then igniting the second pulse motor in flight to perform the programmed maneuvers under the control of the on-board autopilot. This is the first ever successful firing of a dual pulse motor missile in Turkey, which has led Roketsan to become a proud member of the limited number of companies with similar technological capabilities in the world. As a result of these firing tests, another milestone has been completed under the development of the first national air defence missile of Turkey.

The HİSAR Projects have been designed to give Turkey a national Air Defence Missile capability towards meeting the Low and Medium Altitude Air Defence requirements of the Turkish Armed Forces and also be able to compete in world markets. The development of the radar, command & control and fire control systems fall under the responsibility of Aselsan, while the design and development of the missile systems are the responsibility of Roketsan, the Missile Center of Excellence of Turkey.

Successful Hits from UMTAS!


Roketsan has reached the final phase in the UMTAS Project, the new-generation Long Range Antitank Missile with an imaging infrared (IIR) seeker.

Multiple targets were successfully hit during firing tests, on the 2nd and 3rd of July, 2015, at the firing range in Karapınar/Konya, also witnessed by the Chairman and Vice Chairman of Roketsan. The UMTAS Project is in the design verification phase, where system qualification is expected to begin this year.

Savunma ve Stratejik Analizler: Roketsan’s press release about “Firing Tests”

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Dual-Pulse - Missile Propulsion Systems