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Turkish ground forces/tanks entered Syria

Bro, US claims to be supporting the integrity of Syria, but on the ground it is clearly and openly supporting the pyd/ypg against anyone. Recently we saw how US scrambled jets against Assad's jets bombing ypg around Hasakah. Imo, US is the last one of those 5 countries that want to see a whole Syria. One of the questions now is, will US seriously consider clashing with us if ypg/pyd refuses to leave Menbic and Turkey advances there.

I hope that will happen, because now Assad and fsa realize that they are being played and delayed with each other while pyd/ypg silently takes the cake in north Syria and is the real benefactor of this isis bullshit organization.
Your statement is confusing. US protecting YPG. Turkey is attacking ISIS positions suddenly. .........NATO has set goal to set a little state or secured enclave inside Syria and in the backyard of Turkey. ISIS is now turn to become Paksitani TTP. Attacking Turkey now. It seems Turkey is just fight, but has no ultimate goal.
 
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Your statement is confusing. US protecting YPG. Turkey is attacking ISIS positions suddenly. .........NATO has set goal to set a little state or secured enclave inside Syria and in the backyard of Turkey. ISIS is now turn to become Paksitani TTP. Attacking Turkey now. It seems Turkey is just fight, but has no ultimate goal.
Turkey had to get active and attack isis sooner or later, because the region controlled by isis between the pyd/ypg (part of pkk) parts would soon be 'liberated' from isis by pyd/ypg and then added to the pyd/ypg with the support of the US. Even if Turkey stayed out of Syria mess from the start, this day was bound to happen. Basically this operation is aimed at eliminating isis and bring fsa to this region, just so pyd/ypg can't conquer there first. Turkey will not allow pyd/ypg (part of pkk) to grab more land and later pose a bigger threat to Turkey. We shall see, Turkey has warned the pyd/ypg to leave Menbic and return to the east of Euphrates. If it doesn't and decides to clash with us, then pyd/ypg will be struck too.
 
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Turkey had to get active and attack isis sooner or later, because the region controlled by isis between the pyd/ypg (part of pkk) parts would soon be 'liberated' from isis by pyd/ypg and then added to the pyd/ypg with the support of the US. Even if Turkey stayed out of Syria mess from the start, this day was bound to happen. Basically this operation is aimed at eliminating isis and bring fsa to this region, just so pyd/ypg can't conquer there first. Turkey will not allow pyd/ypg (part of pkk) to grab more land and later pose a bigger threat to Turkey. We shall see, Turkey has warned the pyd/ypg to leave Menbic and return to the east of Euphrates. If it doesn't and decides to clash with us, then pyd/ypg will be struck too.
Turkey had choice before the war start. They should have come up with some security pact with Syria.
 
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The biggest escalation of this war was intervention of Iraqis Shia militias and Hezbollah in spring 2013. This intervention literally changed the course of war.

The scale of current operation is too early to judge. So far I don't see ground Turkish troops in Syria.

The Iran is the biggest escalation as far as Israel's concern.
Russian made all the difference and Americans came late only to stay relevant probably with the advise of Israel. It is the Israeli which is promoting to break the Syria, only to make it a another Lebanon.

Turkey had choice before the war start. They should have come up with some security pact with Syria.
I think they already did with Russians and thats enough.
 
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The Iran is the biggest escalation as far as Israel's concern.
Russian made all the difference and Americans came late only to stay relevant probably with the advise of Israel. It is the Israeli which is promoting to break the Syria, only to make it a another Lebanon.
I am talking about facts just. Until spring 2013 Assad was losing ground rapidly in Syria. Then course of war has changed. Nothing else affected the war so much.

As for current operation we see that its really HUGE now. Under US order Kurds are retreating East to Euphrates and rebels under Turkish supervision will take all east Aleppo.
 
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Turkey had choice before the war start. They should have come up with some security pact with Syria.
Even then pyd/ypg would pose a threat sooner or later. Now here's hoping the Turkish govt will also reach out to Assad (just like it did with Iran and Russia), find a solution between fsa and Assad, and focus on ypg/pyd.
Joe Biden backtracked and just said 'pyd/ypg should return to the east of Euphrates, if it doesn't want to lose US support'.
 
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The Iran is the biggest escalation as far as Israel's concern.
Russian made all the difference and Americans came late only to stay relevant probably with the advise of Israel. It is the Israeli which is promoting to break the Syria, only to make it a another Lebanon.


I think they already did with Russians and thats enough.
Turkey was more preferable .

Even then pyd/ypg would pose a threat sooner or later. Now here's hoping the Turkish govt will also reach out to Assad (just like it did with Iran and Russia), find a solution between fsa and Assad, and focus on ypg/pyd.
Joe Biden backtracked and just said 'pyd/ypg should return to the east of Euphrates, if it doesn't want to lose US support'.
Nodoubt , it is very critical situation for Turkey to create strategic depth inside Syria and hold back Kurds from Turkish secured zone. Where other Syrian neighbor Isreal in favor of Kurdish state, somewhere between Iraq and Syria and little be adjacent to Turkish border.
After analyzing whole scenario , don't see any Kurdish state future. Because, Iran,Turkey,Iraq are on same page .
 
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A day late and a dollar short as they say...Turkey played with the fire and just woke up realizing that she was on the wrong side a history...But it is never late to re-adjust the sails with the wind of morality correctness .
 
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A day late and a dollar short as they say...Turkey played with the fire and just woke up realizing that she was on the wrong side a history...But it is never late to re-adjust the sails with the wind of morality correctness .
We lesser mortals do not know if this was Erdogan's plan all along: to help set Syria aflame, then charge in as the savior of the burnt, traumatized, and weakened survivors, thus establishing a kind of neo-Ottoman imperialism with himself as Sultan.
 
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We lesser mortals do not know if this was Erdogan's plan all along: to help set Syria aflame, then charge in as the savior of the burnt, traumatized, and weakened survivors, thus establishing a kind of neo-Ottoman imperialism with himself as Sultan.
All part of the grand Ottoman plan. We are outwitting the world, thats how we managed to rule half of it for centuries.
 
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All part of the grand Ottoman plan. We are outwitting the world, thats how we managed to rule half of it for centuries.
your plan will never work the kurds can fight for years in urban warfare against your army even with all the terrorist groups by your side
 
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Turkey has the right to defend its borders.

your plan will never work the kurds can fight for years in urban warfare against your army even with all the terrorist groups by your side

If not for the US military and political cover, FSA without Turkish help can EASILY wipe them from the face of the world. :)
 
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Turkey has the right to defend its borders.



If not for the US military and political cover, FSA without Turkish help can EASILY wipe them from the face of the world. :)
the same political cover and media support that was given to fsa and other groups in Syria and turkey has no right to enter other nation borders and has no right to support terrorist groups
 
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So the failed usa gulen coup resulted in convincing Russia and successful repair of Turkey Russian relations opening way for Russian acceptance of cerablus entry which can be the starting point of Usa supported long known buffer zone plan in north Syria.

If Turkish policy changed a bit about Syria there would be border checks to stop flow of arms to fsa and related groups as well as full cooperation with Syrian government. If it didnt change fsa and related groups will be supported and armed more after this against Syrian govt.

Also possibly a new peace process will begin with the pyd kurdish groups without or very limited armed struggle which are pro american assets.
 
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