Turkish ground forces/tanks entered Syria

[anon45]

Bro, US claims to be supporting the integrity of Syria, but on the ground it is clearly and openly supporting the pyd/ypg against anyone. Recently we saw how US scrambled jets against Assad's jets bombing ypg around Hasakah. Imo, US is the last one of those 5 countries that want to see a whole Syria. One of the questions now is, will US seriously consider clashing with us if ypg/pyd refuses to leave Menbic and Turkey advances there.

I hope that will happen, because now Assad and fsa realize that they are being played and delayed with each other while pyd/ypg silently takes the cake in north Syria and is the real benefactor of this isis bullshit organization.

You do understand Turkey is invading Syria with US support right?

 

[Madali]

This could finally be the beginning of the end of war. This shows that Turkey are aligned with the Syria/Iran/Russia alliance. With some give and take, maybe serious peace negotiations will now occur and there will be some possible chance of SAA/FSA understanding.

Let's pray for this and hope that the Syrian conflict will soon have a light at the end of this dark tunnel.

 

[usernameless]

You do understand Turkey is invading Syria with US support right?

That support is not needed after all the backstabbing. US better keep supporting its pet ypg, which is the Syrian wing of the pkk, which in turn is on the terror list of Turkey, US and EU, because if it continues like this ypg will be wiped out from the west of the Euphrates too.

 

[anon45]

That support is not needed after all the backstabbing. US better keep supporting its pet ypg, which is the Syrian wing of the pkk, which in turn is on the terror list of Turkey, US and EU, because if it continues like this ypg will be wiped out from the west of the Euphrates too.

and yet Turkey did not invade without it, so I think it was needed, and given American capabilities, its reasonable to believe so.

 

[usernameless]

and yet Turkey did not invade without it, so I think it was needed, and given American capabilities, its reasonable to believe so.

According to Turkish media Turkey gave a heads up about the operation to the US and other relevant countries, but did not request help, even though the US is ready to do so if Turkey wants.

http://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-te...o-turkeys-jarablus-offensive-us-official-says

 

[bsruzm]

Americans are biting their nails at the moment and I like it.
I'd like to see these among YPG today but it requires b*lls, not some cheap, honorless, arrogant show of support for terrorism:

 

[notorious_eagle]

Hey @notorious_eagle thanks for the tag..!

Yes. I was just thinking about tagging you .. but knew you would have done it by now. Was running around as usual.

The trade off, as suspected, between Russia and Turkey? Now Assad stays, Kurds end up disappointed as always has been the case, and ISIS is effectively going to be wiped off.

Interesting times

But the Kurds know they are a pawn!

I dont expect Assad to go after Kurds. In fact, I expect the Kurds to seek the status quo in post-war Syria with Assad. Kurds have not fought the SAA as far as I recall.

I just can't believe how badly the Americans fu**ed the Kurds. After sacrificing countless lives against ISIS taking West of Euphrates, SDF and YPG have been forced to retreat with American blessing. The biggest losers are ISIS and the Kurds from Turkey's intervention.

 

[anon45]

According to Turkish media Turkey gave a heads up about the operation to the US and other relevant countries, but did not request help, even though the US is ready to do so if Turkey wants.

By support I meant approval, not actual military support, since it is right next store to Turkey no doubt Turkey doesn't need US logistical capabilities.

That said, Turkey would want US approval for this given the US role in Syria, and again capabilities in the region. Given the coalition support present from the beginning, it is clear that us and coalition powers were in on it. You can't pull combined ops off without planning.

 

[Olaf One-Brow]

You do understand Turkey is invading Syria with US support right?

Yup. According to Reuters, US A-10s and F-16s are supporting operations.

The offensive, dubbed "Euphrates Shield", is Turkey's first major military operation since a failed July 15 coup shook confidence in its ability to step up the fight against Islamic State. It came four days after a suicide bomber suspected of links to the group killed 54 people at a wedding in the southeastern city of Gaziantep.

A U.S. defense official said both A-10 "Warthog" ground attack aircraft and F-16 fighter jets were carrying out strikes in support of the operation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-idUSKCN10Z07J

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Looks like Turkey is trying to prevent the terrorist YPG from setting up their own state in northern Syria.

Better to do it now, rather than later. Otherwise it will turn into an enormous headache for the next few decades or so.

 

[bsruzm]

Yup. According to Reuters, US A-10s and F-16s are supporting operations.

The offensive, dubbed "Euphrates Shield", is Turkey's first major military operation since a failed July 15 coup shook confidence in its ability to step up the fight against Islamic State. It came four days after a suicide bomber suspected of links to the group killed 54 people at a wedding in the southeastern city of Gaziantep.

A U.S. defense official said both A-10 "Warthog" ground attack aircraft and F-16 fighter jets were carrying out strikes in support of the operation.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-idUSKCN10Z07J

Turkey bombs YPG as they are our main target, makes it tumble at the moment and since a while, there are knowningly American volunteers among YPG, who Turks would like to kill as well and then also US SF have been wearing YPG patches so you tell us now that US supports the bombing of the same YPG? Spineless.

 

[xenon54 out]

By support I meant approval, not actual military support, since it is right next store to Turkey no doubt Turkey doesn't need US logistical capabilities.

That said, Turkey would want US approval for this given the US role in Syria, and again capabilities in the region. Given the coalition support present from the beginning, it is clear that us and coalition powers were in on it. You can't pull combined ops off without planning.

The article that he has posted is saying that US officials were planning the operation with their Turkish counterparts for more than a year, this should answer your question about the approval.

"We have been talking with the Turks for more than a year about constructs for operation that would involve moderate Syrian opposition against ISIL along 60-mile gap between the Euphrates and Mara line… It has been in our collective sights for a long time"

A statement released by the Office of the Secretary of Defense said that the the anti-DAESH coalition conducted air strikes on Wednesday in support of Turkish counter-Daesh operations and in support of vetted Syrian opposition forces seeking to clear DAESH from Jarablus on the Syria-Turkey border.

 

[usernameless]

By support I meant approval, not actual military support, since it is right next store to Turkey no doubt Turkey doesn't need US logistical capabilities.

That said, Turkey would want US approval for this given the US role in Syria, and again capabilities in the region. Given the coalition support present from the beginning, it is clear that us and coalition powers were in on it. You can't pull combined ops off without planning.

Yes, in that sense there was support for this operation from the US, but also from Russia and Iran. The plot twist for now seems to be that the ypg, under disguise of sdf, refuses to leave the west of the Euphrates and return east, thus ignoring the US' threat of 'losing US support if ypg doesn't return east'. This potentially might lead to action against ypg on the eastern side of the Euphrates too sooner or later once Turkey is done with its current aim of establing control over 40km territory in Syria. So we're curious to see what the US will do if Turkey takes the fighting to the east as well, because that moment will probably come too in the future; keep up support for the ypg (and potentially clash) against fsa and Turkish army or the US ditches the ypg in the east as well due to unwillingness to sour relations with Turkey even more or due to ypg refusing to leave to the east, thus losing overall US support as US threatened.

 

[Hellfire]

I just can't believe how badly the Americans fu**ed the Kurds. After sacrificing countless lives against ISIS taking West of Euphrates, SDF and YPG have been forced to retreat with American blessing. The biggest losers are ISIS and the Kurds from Turkey's intervention.

No.I don't think that is as such. There is a multilateral coordination including Kurds ..

Read this if not posted earlier



Turkey’s Military Plunges Into Syria, Enabling Rebels to Capture ISIS Stronghold


By TIM ARANGO, ANNE BARNARD and CEYLAN YEGINSUAUG. 24, 2016


Turkey sent tanks, warplanes and special operations forces into northern Syria on Wednesday in its biggest plunge yet into the Syrian conflict, enabling Syrian rebels to take control of an important Islamic State stronghold within hours.

The operation, assisted by American airstrikes, is a significant escalation of Turkey’s role in the fight against the Islamic State, the militant extremist group ensconced in parts of Syria and Iraq that has increasingly been targeting Turkey.

By evening, Syrian rebels backed by the United States and Turkey declared that they had seized the town of Jarabulus and its surroundings, which had been the Islamic State’s last major redoubt near the Turkish border. Numerous fighters posted photographs and videos of themselves online with the green, black and white flag adopted by the Syrian opposition as they walked through empty streets where the black flag of Islamic State still flew; it appeared that most of the militants had fled without a fight.

The offensive had two immediate goals: To clear Islamic State militants from their remaining border stronghold, and roll back recent advances by Syrian Kurdish militias that Turkey considers an equal or greater threat because of their links to its own domestic Kurdish insurgents.

Yet it had deeper reverberations, signaling a broad and volatile reshuffling of alliances in and around Syria that has been brewing over recent months.

The United States is rebalancing its relations with two allies that consider one another enemies, Turkey and Kurdish militias, throwing a bone to Turkey, which has been angry over deepening American cooperation with the Kurds. For embattled Syrian rebel groups not affiliated with the Islamic State or Al Qaeda, it is an opportunity to show that they could be effective partners against extremists — and for some, to take back their home villages. Turkey got long-requested American approval and air support to seize part of an area it has long coveted as a buffer zone.

And with Russia, the Syrian government’s main ally, issuing only a tepid condemnation of Turkish incursion, there were signs that Moscow and the Washington could be testing baby steps toward a compromise. Both have floated a suggestion that vetted Syrian rebels could fight extremists in exchange for a role in a somehow expanded or reformed Syrian government — but it has been received with skepticism by the Syrian combatants.




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“The push for Jarabulous seems intimately linked to Turkey’s fast-moving but secretive regional diplomacy,” wroteAron Lund, an analyst for the Carnegie Middle East Program.

With the full picture still unclear, the new front simply added another complicated twist to an already dizzyingly multisided war. The Syrian government was left to issue an angry statement as yet another party plunged into its territory. It was unclear whether it had been sidelined or had given tacit approval.

At the White House, President Obama’s chief spokesman, Josh Earnest, called the Turkish assault “an indication of important progress” in the campaign against the Islamic State.

Earlier, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. signaled support for the operation.

He had traveled to the Turkish capital, Ankara, on Wednesday to meet with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan at a time of high tensions between the two countries after the failed coup in Turkey last month, in which news media drummed up suspicions that the United States was involved and relations reached a low not seen since World War II. Turkey is demanding the extradition of Fethullah Gulen, a Muslim cleric in self-exile in Pennsylvania whom Turkey accuses of leading the plot.

But the timing of the joint offensive and some strong words of support from Mr. Biden seemed to show an easing of the strains.

Speaking at a news conference after the meeting, Mr. Biden said Syrian Kurdish militias, an important American ally in the fight against the Islamic State, would have to meet a Turkish demand by withdrawing to the eastern side of the Euphrates River in northeastern Syria.

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Turkey Takes the Fight to ISIS Territory

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“We have made it clear to Kurdish forces that they must move back across the river,” he said. “They cannot and will not get American support if they do not keep that commitment. Period.”

It was an unusually sharp warning from the United States to the Kurdish-led forces, which American officials have repeatedly called their most reliable partner on the ground against Islamic State. In return, the United States got something it has pushed for in vain for years, getting Turkey to take a more proactive stance to battle Islamic State fighters on its border, which for years it allowed them to cross with impunity. The solution appeared to be allowing Turkey to try to clear the area of both Islamic State and Kurdish militias.

Turkey has also signaled an even bigger shift in recent days — that it is prepared to take a more aggressive diplomatic role in Syria, working alongside Iran, Russia and the United States to seek an end to the war.

The Turkish government has long insisted that Mr. Assad would have to step down before peace talks could be held. But lately, Turkey has softened its stance, indicating that it would accept a role for Mr. Assad during a political transition.

The Syrian Foreign Ministry condemned the operation as a breach of Syria’s sovereignty. Russia, in a notably softer reaction, said it was “deeply concerned.” It did not refer to the rebels as “terrorists,” a label it has applied to all opposition groups in the past, but as “opposition fighters.”

The rebels involved in the operation appeared to be mainly from the groups fighting to unseat Mr. Assad that the United States, Turkey and other allies support through a covert operations center in Turkey, and identify themselves as part of the Free Syrian Army. The F.S.A. is more a brand than a command structure, led by army defectors and others who say they reject the extremist ideologies of Al Qaeda and the Islamic State.

They are the subject of a longstanding dispute between Russia and the United States; Russia has often targeted them, saying they are legitimate targets unless they move far from the fighters of the Qaeda-linked group until recently called the Nusra Front.

Turkish officials were adamant that they would continue operations in Syria until they had neutralized what they see as threats against national security.

One thing they view as a threat is any Kurdish advances to link two separate Kurdish enclaves along Turkey’s border, currently separated by a strip of Islamic State territory running from the Euphrates west to the northern suburbs of Aleppo.

Wednesday’s operation inserted the mainly Arab, Turkish-backed rebels into the part of that gap that Kurds had been eyeing.

Turkey said one rebel fighter was killed in the incursion but that no Turkish troops died.

But the apparent ease and speed of the operation belie complexities ahead. It is not uncommon for Islamic State fighters to withdraw quickly from a place only to leave behind sleeper cell, infiltrate back in or launch harassing attacks later. It appeared they had not put up much of a fight on the ground or taken advantage of the elaborate fortifications they had built in and around the town.

The operation started at 4 a.m., officials said, with Turkish and United States warplanes pounding Islamic State positions in Jarabulus. American F-16 and A-10 warplanes were used, especially effective in close-air support. The special operations troops entered Syria to clear a passage for a ground operation by Turkish-backed rebel groups, the state broadcaster TRT reported.

The assault came days after Turkey vowed to “cleanse” its borders of the Islamic State, after a deadly suicide attack at a Kurdish wedding killed at least 54 people. The militant group was blamed for the attack.

Jarabulus has been a vital supply line for the Islamic State.

“Turkey is determined for Syria to retain its territorial integrity and will take matters into its own hands if required to protect that territorial unity,” Mr. Erdogan said in a speech in Ankara on Wednesday. “We have only ever sought to help the people of Syria and have no other intentions.”

Tim Arango and Ceylan Yeginsu reported from Istanbul, and Anne Barnard from Beirut, Lebanon. Reporting was contributed by Hwaida Saad from Beirut, Maher Samaan from Paris, and Eric Schmitt and Michael D. Shear from Washington.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/w...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


Isn't the area west of Euphrates Turkmen territory? As such, Turkish intervention may be seen in that light. Assad stays, and ISIS is over IMO.