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Mate, MB is gone.... what is there to support ? There must be something else...

MB is not gone bro. They exist for more than half a century(close to a century), and have experienced much more worse conditions. BTW, they and their friends are still in power in Gaza and Turkey. MB of egypt is just in hiding these days ;)

IS is killing PKK on the battle field as we speak. I don't get people saying Turkey should attack IS. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Probably soon all PKK will be killed by IS. Just enjoy the show like I do. All PKK in Turkey have transfered to Iraq and are fighting for their lifes.
I agree, BTW, if they announce for jihad against Iran, I am sure there would be a million of jihadists flooding from all over the world to Iran borders with Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and then it can create a golden opportunity for separatist movements in Iran ;)
 
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MB is not gone bro. They exist for more than half a century(close to a century), and have experienced much more worse conditions. BTW, they and their friends are still in power in Gaza and Turkey. MB of egypt is just in hiding these days ;)

Anyways, i have read several articles by now...

From all that i read....i can conclude that. Turkey is solidifying it's regional power role by having a say/ interfering in regional issues.... be it Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Iran. Qatar having similar desires and goals with Turkey. So that Qatari-Turkish axis have been made...

This is my opinion still, i'm still open to other opinions.
 
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Anyways, i have read several articles by now...

From all that i read....i can conclude that. Turkey is solidifying it's regional power role by having a say/ interfering in regional issues.... be it Syria, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Iran. Qatar having similar desires and goals with Turkey. So that Qatari-Turkish axis have been made...

This is my opinion still, i'm still open to other opinions.

I agree with your opinion. I just add that the same mentality and goals of AKP and MB has been an important factor in this alliance, and also the economic crisis in EU, made Turkey to expand its markets and interests in ME to avoid harming from EU crisis. This increasing ties, automatically increased the ineterest of Turkey/AKP in regional issues as well.
 
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I agree, BTW, if they announce for jihad against Iran, I am sure there would be a million of jihadists flooding from all over the world to Iran borders with Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and then it can create a golden opportunity for separatist movements in Iran ;)
Iran has spread terrorism and supported seperatism in neighbor countries for decades. Eventually they will taste a piece of their own pie. I'm sure we will see this.
 
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One thing is clear, except for Qatar, all the Sunni Monarchies, KSA, UAE, Kuwait, Jordan and Morocco are not in good terms with both of these brotherhoods, Shia or Sunni.

But the Al Qaeda Jihadi's are mostly Salafi I heard, so they are supposed to be closer to the Salafi creed that originated in the monarchies?

How is the relationship between Shia and Sunni brotherhoods? Is there a possibility of joining of forces between the two brotherhoods? Qatar I heard has good relations with Iran.

Jihadism is a temporary phenomenon, so it will be the first to go. Then the monarchies will crumble. Then the brotherhoods will rise and have their 15 minutes of fame. Finally secular democratic Muslims will have their day, when all the yahoo Islamists are out of the picture. Does that sound like a plausible scenario?

Iran, Qatar recast regional 'resistance' alliance - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Iran Pulse
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Ramadan Abdullah Shalah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader, is escorted by his bodyguards as he walks past journalists following a meeting in Damascus, Jan. 20, 2007. (photo by LOUAI BESHARA/AFP/Getty Images)

Summary: The dispute between Saudi Arabia and Qatar is playing out within the context of Iran’s improved ties with Doha, Qatar’s rethink of its Syria policy and Tehran’s initiatives to expand its influence with Palestinian factions.
Author: Ali Hashem, Posted March 17, 2014

Iran, Qatar recast regional 'resistance' alliance
TEHRAN, Iran — Last week, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdullah Shalah, a close ally of Tehran, visited the Qatari capital of Doha to meet his ally and comrade Khaled Meshaal, the leader of Hamas, according to sources close to Shalah.

It is rare that someone like Shalah visits Doha, given the tight security measures that lead his movements to be well-tracked and detailed. Hence, he went only after receiving his Iranian allies’ blessings.

In Doha, Shalah and Meshaal discussed the latter’s forthcoming trip to Tehran, a long-anticipated visit delayed by the wait for Tehran to extend an invitation. The hurdle in pinpointing a date has been attributed to setting an appointment for a meeting with Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

An Iranian official told Al-Monitor that the visit is expected to take place after the Persian New Year (Nowroz), although the exact timing is still to be confirmed. Another Iranian source explained that all the details have been sorted with Hamas since summer 2013. He added, “Up to this moment, more than eight delegations from Hamas have visited Tehran. Political, military and social delegations were welcomed and always are. The issue of Mr. Meshaal was personal and more complicated. Now it’s almost resolved.”

A senior Hamas official who met with Al-Monitor in Tehran last week confirmed that the visit is indeed on the agenda. He asserted, “Our relationship with Iran is back as it was, and maybe better. Enemies who are betting on the end of the resistance bloc should know that this bloc is getting bigger and stronger, from North Africa to Tehran.”

Osama Hamdan, Hamas’ international relations officer, explained that the “unfortunate” disagreement on Syria is on the road to being resolved and that positive options are on the table with respect to his organization's relations with Damascus. Hamdan added that ties with Hezbollah are good and that he continues to carry out his work from his office in Beirut’s southern suburbs, a Hezbollah stronghold.

Another Palestinian resistance official, who spoke with Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity, said that efforts to reorganize the region’s two blocs are taking place on both sides. “The Saudis are restructuring their post-Arab Spring alliances, reviving the 'moderate bloc' of Jordan, Morocco, Egypt, Bahrain, UAE [United Arab Emirates] and others, and the Iranians are rebuilding their 'resistance and resilience bloc' that was brought together before 2011 — Syria, Qatar, Turkey, and the resistances in Lebanon and Palestine,” he said. “The new blocs on both sides will shape the new post-Arab Spring era in the Middle East. On both sides there are [internal] differences on certain issues, but still there is one issue that brings each bloc together.”

According to this source, the Qatari emir, Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, is at a moment of decision. He has to think of Qatar’s national security before thinking of Syria’s. The source contended, “Doha is working on getting things [back] on the old track, and they’re ending all their commitments to groups in Syria. The differences on President [Bashar al-] Assad’s future will probably be left for the Syrian people to decide.”

The latest developments in the Gulf have led many to rethink their strategies but not their tactics, he said. “The Saudis are doing what Iran couldn’t do. They continued to pressure Qatar until it’s now on very good terms with Tehran. The same applies to Turkey, which is already today a very strong ally of Iran,” he added. “Putting Palestine at the head of the list of priorities can help in bridging the gaps. That’s why today Hamas and Islamic Jihad are playing an important role in political reconciliation within the bloc — today in Tehran and tomorrow maybe in Damascus.”

Getting back to Shalah’s visit to Qatar, Al-Monitor learned that the Islamic Jihad leader met Emir Tamim and his influential adviser and former Israeli Knesset member, Azmi Bishara, who is working on launching a new media network that includes a London-based TV operation, newspaper and a Beirut-based website under the name Al-Arabi al-Jadeed (The New Arab). The network, according to sources in Doha, has a big budget and is expected to promote the new, post-Arab Spring image of Qatar. It will be different from the one that Al Jazeera once projected as being light on Islam and more liberal, with a leftist touch. The new network, expected to start gradually, is not meant to replace Al Jazeera but to present a new voice representing the emir's vision.
 
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Iran has spread terrorism and supported seperatism in neighbor countries for decades. Eventually they will taste a piece of their own pie. I'm sure we will see this.
Bro, Supporting terrorism will always back fire. They would be no exception ;)
 
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Qatar is where all the troubles begin............ this is not a good omen............ I mean with the results of recent elections, and this all of a sudden, you can expect anything now............ as I have been saying all along, Turkey has all the ingredients to slowly develop into Pakistan of today, and with some of these usual suspects entering the game, could catalyze more trouble than you could ever fathom.......... my personal point of view is that Erdogan has completely lost it as he feels untouchable........ this changes a lot of things.......sadly, not all for the good of Turkey.

Yeah, but it seems to me this Turkey-Qatar thing is bigger than MB, Hamas, etc....

I still can't figure out..what is the deal.

Qatar Emir come to Turkey in the middle of the night.. meets with Erdogan and top officials in PM's residency for 2.5 hours..
Also rumours say Qatar giving money to Turkey and we can't explain the $6 Billion money inflow to Turkey....something weird is going on, with this Qatar and i don't know what it is. :undecided:

Katar Emiri′nin sürpriz Türkiye ziyareti | DÜNYA | DW.DE | 17.07.2014

@Hyperion ?
 
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Enemy of my enemy who could be existential threat to me tomorrow, is no friend of mine. I could, maybe, do a photo shoot with this frenemy, however, I'd have a gun pointed at him all the time................

Btw, PKK is NOTHING, when compared to a fanatical organization such as IS..........

IS is killing PKK on the battle field as we speak. I don't get people saying Turkey should attack IS. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Probably soon all PKK will be killed by IS. Just enjoy the show like I do. All PKK in Turkey have transfered to Iraq and are fighting for their lifes.
 
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Qatar has been backing the MB for quite some time now financially throughout the Middle East. Which at first sight appears odd. How can a movement which is known to be anti monarchist be supported by a kingdom? simple, in return for financial support the MB would cease to operate against the Qatari monarchy. That is why you hear MB members, affiliates, and supporters denounce every monarchy in the ME yet when it comes to Qatar they are silent.

So how does Turkey come into the equation? Although Qatar is financially strong, it is a political minnow and does not want to get on the bad side of the rest of the GCC nations by publicly undermining them. That is where Erdogan and his ruling party come in, Turkey is able to give its political backing to Islamist movements in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and anywhere else deemed necessary without suffering any consequences, whereas Qatar could endanger its position in the GCC if it does the same.

Fairly simplistic and brief explanation why Turkey and Qatar are often referred to together.
 
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Qatar is where all the troubles begin............ this is not a good omen............ I mean with the results of recent elections, and this all of a sudden, you can expect anything now............ as I have been saying all along, Turkey has all the ingredients to slowly develop into Pakistan of today, and with some of these usual suspects entering the game, could catalyze more trouble than you could ever fathom.......... my personal point of view is that Erdogan has completely lost it as he feels untouchable........ this changes a lot of things.......sadly, not all for the good of Turkey.
And still some idiots asleep.``
 
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@Hazzy997 you reading this :lol: and stop linking Farsi to what rmi5 is saying. This was between us. Don't be such an Arab :lol:

Arabs in general are good people, but they have some exceptions like these Palestinian terrorist groups and their fans. Leave alone Hazzy. He has no brain nor importance.

One thing is clear, except for Qatar, all the Sunni Monarchies, KSA, UAE, Kuwait, Jordan and Morocco are not in good terms with both of these brotherhoods, Shia or Sunni.

But the Al Qaeda Jihadi's are mostly Salafi I heard, so they are supposed to be closer to the Salafi creed that originated in the monarchies?

How is the relationship between Shia and Sunni brotherhoods? Is there a possibility of joining of forces between the two brotherhoods? Qatar I heard has good relations with Iran.

Jihadism is a temporary phenomenon, so it will be the first to go. Then the monarchies will crumble. Then the brotherhoods will rise and have their 15 minutes of fame. Finally secular democratic Muslims will have their day, when all the yahoo Islamists are out of the picture. Does that sound like a plausible scenario?

Iran, Qatar recast regional 'resistance' alliance - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Iran Pulse
73056404.jpg

Ramadan Abdullah Shalah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader, is escorted by his bodyguards as he walks past journalists following a meeting in Damascus, Jan. 20, 2007. (photo by LOUAI BESHARA/AFP/Getty Images)

Summary: The dispute between Saudi Arabia and Qatar is playing out within the context of Iran’s improved ties with Doha, Qatar’s rethink of its Syria policy and Tehran’s initiatives to expand its influence with Palestinian factions.
Author: Ali Hashem, Posted March 17, 2014

Iran, Qatar recast regional 'resistance' alliance
TEHRAN, Iran — Last week, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Abdullah Shalah, a close ally of Tehran, visited the Qatari capital of Doha to meet his ally and comrade Khaled Meshaal, the leader of Hamas, according to sources close to Shalah.

It is rare that someone like Shalah visits Doha, given the tight security measures that lead his movements to be well-tracked and detailed. Hence, he went only after receiving his Iranian allies’ blessings.

In Doha, Shalah and Meshaal discussed the latter’s forthcoming trip to Tehran, a long-anticipated visit delayed by the wait for Tehran to extend an invitation. The hurdle in pinpointing a date has been attributed to setting an appointment for a meeting with Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

An Iranian official told Al-Monitor that the visit is expected to take place after the Persian New Year (Nowroz), although the exact timing is still to be confirmed. Another Iranian source explained that all the details have been sorted with Hamas since summer 2013. He added, “Up to this moment, more than eight delegations from Hamas have visited Tehran. Political, military and social delegations were welcomed and always are. The issue of Mr. Meshaal was personal and more complicated. Now it’s almost resolved.”

A senior Hamas official who met with Al-Monitor in Tehran last week confirmed that the visit is indeed on the agenda. He asserted, “Our relationship with Iran is back as it was, and maybe better. Enemies who are betting on the end of the resistance bloc should know that this bloc is getting bigger and stronger, from North Africa to Tehran.”

Osama Hamdan, Hamas’ international relations officer, explained that the “unfortunate” disagreement on Syria is on the road to being resolved and that positive options are on the table with respect to his organization's relations with Damascus. Hamdan added that ties with Hezbollah are good and that he continues to carry out his work from his office in Beirut’s southern suburbs, a Hezbollah stronghold.

Another Palestinian resistance official, who spoke with Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity, said that efforts to reorganize the region’s two blocs are taking place on both sides. “The Saudis are restructuring their post-Arab Spring alliances, reviving the 'moderate bloc' of Jordan, Morocco, Egypt, Bahrain, UAE [United Arab Emirates] and others, and the Iranians are rebuilding their 'resistance and resilience bloc' that was brought together before 2011 — Syria, Qatar, Turkey, and the resistances in Lebanon and Palestine,” he said. “The new blocs on both sides will shape the new post-Arab Spring era in the Middle East. On both sides there are [internal] differences on certain issues, but still there is one issue that brings each bloc together.”

According to this source, the Qatari emir, Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, is at a moment of decision. He has to think of Qatar’s national security before thinking of Syria’s. The source contended, “Doha is working on getting things [back] on the old track, and they’re ending all their commitments to groups in Syria. The differences on President [Bashar al-] Assad’s future will probably be left for the Syrian people to decide.”

The latest developments in the Gulf have led many to rethink their strategies but not their tactics, he said. “The Saudis are doing what Iran couldn’t do. They continued to pressure Qatar until it’s now on very good terms with Tehran. The same applies to Turkey, which is already today a very strong ally of Iran,” he added. “Putting Palestine at the head of the list of priorities can help in bridging the gaps. That’s why today Hamas and Islamic Jihad are playing an important role in political reconciliation within the bloc — today in Tehran and tomorrow maybe in Damascus.”

Getting back to Shalah’s visit to Qatar, Al-Monitor learned that the Islamic Jihad leader met Emir Tamim and his influential adviser and former Israeli Knesset member, Azmi Bishara, who is working on launching a new media network that includes a London-based TV operation, newspaper and a Beirut-based website under the name Al-Arabi al-Jadeed (The New Arab). The network, according to sources in Doha, has a big budget and is expected to promote the new, post-Arab Spring image of Qatar. It will be different from the one that Al Jazeera once projected as being light on Islam and more liberal, with a leftist touch. The new network, expected to start gradually, is not meant to replace Al Jazeera but to present a new voice representing the emir's vision.
I doubt such an alliance can be permanent. They oppose each other interests, except for the Palestine case and using the propaganda of helping Palestinians and bashing jews, which is their only point in common.
 
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Enemy of my enemy who could be existential threat to me tomorrow, is no friend of mine. I could, maybe, do a photo shoot with this frenemy, however, I'd have a gun pointed at him all the time................

Btw, PKK is NOTHING, when compared to a fanatical organization such as IS..........
Since when did you become PKK lover.

IS doesn't have support amongst general public in Turkey. PKK has support in certain parts of our country.

I hate both of them but in this case. The strategic thing would be to let IS pound PKK. What do we have to loose when PKK militans are getting massacred to the last man?

I'm not saying we should support IS. I would never say that. I'm saying we should get out of the way when two of our enemies are fighting each other. This is modern warfare. If you don't understand it. You won't exist in modern world.
 
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Arabs in general are good people, but they have some exceptions like these Palestinian terrorist groups and their fans. Leave alone Hazzy. He has no brain nor importance.

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I caught you red handed. :lol:

You have some explaining to do. :rofl:
 
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I caught you red handed. :lol:

You have some explaining to do. :rofl:
What explaining and to whom? All Iranian members are already very familiar with my opinions, and you are no one to care to explain for.
 
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