Turkish gas turbine engines to be the main power source for other Muslim states

[Hassan Guy]

Turkey and Pakistan are among those few Muslim nations with significant military industrial complex that's why Pakistan's name came up. Apart from that when it comes to assessing the progress of a nation comparing the performance against other nations is a common method. There's no need to get all hyped up about it. I expected something and it didn't happen in Pakistan but it happened where I didn't expect it to happen, now what's so wrong about expressing it?

Don't jump the gun, just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't, you don't have to worry about it. It wasn't necessary for you to bring up your 'expectations' the way you did.

 

[Tshering22]

Engines as being heart of strategic defence programs are the first thing coming to mind when It is needed to punish a state with restrictions and sanctions. Politicians of the states ruling the core technology of gas turbine engines mostly use them as pressure tool against costumers. Even If countries enjoy with good relations, It is required special permissions to order them. I mean They are export controlled strategic items.
Turkey as a country who is struggling to draw own roadway with relying on the capability of own national sources, Turkish institutes under the coordination of SSB, commenced to develop various type of gas turbine engines which will be the main power sources of Turkish ongoing aircraft and rotorcraft projects. When qualification/certification phase of them are completed, I believe All those programs will certainly open an important gate to all Muslim states to reach unlimited, reliable power sources without meeting any likely restrictions. Engineering difficulties of gas turbine engine technology is known by all. It is the actual reason that World market is dominated by a few suppliers. The destiny of our aircrafts, helicopters and drones are directly tied into the will of those states ruling such technologies so We should succeed to develop those programs to declare our independence in aerial systems.


Turbofan engines

• 17.000lbf class (17k lbf engine to be used in the trainer jet, CAS fighter (HürJet) project
• 27.000lbf class (to be used in the TF-X 5th gen stealth fighter project)

Turboshaft engines

• TS-1400 (to be used in the Atak and T-625 helicopters max. 1660shp)
• TS-2000 (to be used in the 8/10t Atak-II and 10/12t Utility helicopter projects 2000shp)

Turboprop engines

• TP-550 (to be used in the Akinci MALE UAV, 550shp)
• TP-1600 (to be used in the Hürkuş trainer class turboprop plane, 1600shp)

Turbojet engines

• KTJ-3200 (to be used in the SOM cruise missile and Atmaca (harpoon replacement) missile and other variants 3,5kN)
• KTJ family variants (Other turbojet engines to be used on different missile programs such as Gezgin (TomaHawk equivalent) Land attack cruise missile)

To ensure a strong customer base, you will have to ensure more than just religion and friendliness in general. You will need to test your local weapons in some sort of war and at the same time, your politicians will have to pitch it to non-Arab muslim countries first. Arab kingdoms are hardcore US supporters so they won't buy immediately except some token amounts; they risk a regime change if they don't buy US equipment.

You are on the right track to self-reliance.

 

[T-Rex]

Don't jump the gun, just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't, you don't have to worry about it. It wasn't necessary for you to bring up your 'expectations' the way you did.

I expressed myself the way anybody would. You misunderstood the way many over zealous patriots often do.

 

[cabatli_53]

The sound of independence on 1400-1650 shp turboshaft engine.

 

[cabatli_53]

TF-X turbofan engine!

DOmestic turbofan engine Development frame deal have been signed with TRMotor.

 

[dBSPL]

It will be a very large and heavy engine. This engine's hot section structure is very close to the GE F series. Now i can understand why the F110 was selected as for MMU's prototype.

Most likely, will have multi-axis thrust vectoring , as TVC system.

 

[cabatli_53]

It will be a very large and heavy engine. This engine's hot section structure is very close to the GE F series. Now i can understand why the F110 was selected as for MMU's prototype.

Most likely, will have multi-axis thrust vectoring , as TVC system.

It is mentioned that domestic engine will be convenient to stealth characteristics of fighter. It means They will design a special nozzle which doesn’t reflect back the radar waves.

 

[UzaySan]

It is mentioned that domestic engine will be convenient to stealth characteristics of fighter. It means They will design a special nozzle which doesn’t reflect back the radar waves.

Do you think it will have 3d Thrust Vectoring.I mean it well be very good if it has.TFX would be very manoeuvreble.

 

[cabatli_53]

Do you think it will have 3d Thrust Vectoring.I mean it well be very good if it has.TFX would be very manoeuvreble.

It depends on TurAF projection bro. It seems TurAF certainly wants a Turkish F-22 under the name of MMU in terms of size and they request similar capabilities with same role for stralth air superiority fighter. In this circumstances, I believe TurAF requests TVC nozzle to make it a real air superiority fighter.

 

[aziqbal]

I hope Turkey succeeds, the challenge is not so much the engine

but building hundreds and thousands of them with a tolerance so narrow most fail on scale up with the blades

if you have 0.01% accuracy thats huge margin, If you build 100,000 thats still 10 failures

thats 10 too many

Rolls Royce is not the best because they build good engines, but because there audit, manufacturing protocol, tolerance and procedure is second to none

Even Chinese can build WS-10X TVC engine but where they fail is scaling up

 

[T-Rex]

I hope Turkey succeeds, the challenge is not so much the engine

but building hundreds and thousands of them with a tolerance so narrow most fail on scale up with the blades

if you have 0.01% accuracy thats huge margin, If you build 100,000 thats still 10 failures

thats 10 too many

Rolls Royce is not the best because they build good engines, but because there audit, manufacturing protocol, tolerance and procedure is second to none

Even Chinese can build WS-10X TVC engine but where they fail is scaling up

Inshallah one day Turkey will beat RR in this art of making jet engines!

 

[cabatli_53]

Inshallah one day Turkey will beat RR in this art of making jet engines!

Aviationweek experts checks the design details of Turkish indigenous engine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1060587570214649856

 

[Beast]

Even Chinese can build WS-10X TVC engine but where they fail is scaling up

Hi, it's not easy to build a modern workable TVC engine, strap on a fighter jets and do a demo without failure in front of thousands of people of crowd.

Not even western Europe achieved that. And Russia/US thrust vector is not truly 3D like the Chinese. Many countries proposed but never even past the stage of prototype on table. Check out the Indian kaveri engine.

The WS-10 has produced more than 400 of them serving in the operational for forces for many years. And it is only after USD24 billion of investment into talent, industries, metallurgy and accumulating experience.

Turkey can try but chances of success of reaching their target is very low. They may succeed in 20 years time just to get a working protoype on a fighter jet but by then the spec will be outdated.

 

[cabatli_53]

Turkey can try but chances of success of reaching their target is very low. They may succeed in 20 years time just to get a working protoype on a fighter jet but by then the spec will be outdated.

• The turbofan engine being developed for TF-X will have a thrust ratio of 27000+lbf
• The program have a time scale of 10 years
• Negotiations are proceeding with RR for cooperation under the leadership of TRMotor.
• Nozzle of indigenous engine will habe stealth character.
• Both F110 (prototypes) and indigenous engine have a diameter of 118cm.

 

[royalharris]

Even Chinese can build WS-10X TVC engine but where they fail is scaling up

why can't the whole muslim world?
funny!!!