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Turkish forces have entered Syria to end Assad's rule

Assad is good for now, don't worry, when the time is right, he will be gone.
Now go worry about the millions of starving poor children in your country.

Of course, we will take care of our poor people and so do you too. Rather wasting your energy in another never ending war in Syria, it is better for you to stay away from an unnecessary war in Syria. That places is turned into a hail by the terrorist people.

You know one thing, i really enjoy talking with you because the more and more you loose your cool and use abusive words, it will show character of the people who share your thought process. Keep in up..
 
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Stupid Hindu logic. Go away and worship some cow or something.
We're fighting TERRORISM for centuries.
While you were slaves to the British . You are a nothing people. And surrounded by enemies. :lol:
So now, Turkey will be part of those ISIS groups who oppose Assad regime??

How Iran is going to handle this situation now?
 
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There were already 10-12 factions involved in Syrian Conflict. I hope it doesnt become a quagmire for Turkey.
 
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I am very confused.

Russia is pro Assad and Erdogan is anti Assad

Russia reportedly supported YPG in the war and Turkey is anti YPG and fighting them.

But...

Russia and Turkey ties are improving after the coup attempt.

To make it even more confusing...

NATO-USA is supporting YPG and NATO-Turkey is fighting them.

What am I missing here?
 
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How Iran is going to handle this situation now?

I am not sure. But i always feel that Iran, its culture and its influence will bring peace to middle east as they are not as violent and terror prone unlike other nation in the neighborhood. Keeping it aside Israel and Iran and Palestine issue, Iran is not seen as a nation who supports terrorism in global scale. Rather the more and more Non Iran influence increase in that region, it will be more unstable. I am sure, Iran will be able manager its influence in this region.

@Serpentine ...Any thoughts.??
 
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Defence analysts and experts who know the historical background of the dissolution of Usmani Caliphate after WW1 in 1918, abolition of Caliphate in 1920 and then division of Ottoman provinces of Hijaz and ME into separate countries of Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Palestine can tell better, but as a commoner I can tell this is ominous.

Turkey was ally of Germany during WW1 against Russia and now Turkey is entering in to a direct collision course with the same Russia (remember Bolshvek Revolution started in 1917 but USSR has not yet taken the shape which it took in latter years).

This is very serious and conflict is deepening and expanding. Almost whole ME now embroiled in various reginal wars and under great prrssures and anarchy.

These are definitely cusps of WW3 and battleground will be Syria and whole ME which terrorist daesh aslo use as propaganda tool but it does not change the fact.

In sub-continent hindutva ideologue Modi's BJP in power. History is taking turns which were never seen before. Now Pakistan will complete its destiny and surprise many.

Would allied forces again enter Istanbol like they did in 1918? I hope not. But these are weighty historical upheavals we are witnessing.

Some interesting facts:
Allied forces entered Istanbol in November 1918. Same month Turkey entering into Syria
 
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This could be a policy derailment on part of Erdogan due to recent attacks on Turkish soldiers who are in Syria in support of foreign FSA jihadist terrorists.

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On the Same Day, One Year Apart, Russia Gets Its Revenge and Halts Turkey in Northern Syria

Last week for the first time Syrian jets struck Turkish troops in Syria -- on the exact anniversary of Turkey shooting down a Russian Su-24 on the Syrian-Turkish border

Elijah J. Magnier

Mon, Nov 28, 2016 |



Originally appeared at Elijah J M

On the 24th of November 2015, Turkey shot down a Russian Sokhoi Su-24 over the Turkish-Syrian border causing the death of one of the two parachuted pilots while trying to hit the ground. On the same day, a year later, a Syrian Air Force jet hit a Turkish military convoy two kilometres from the northern Syrian city of al-Bab, killing three Turkish soldiers. The Turkish aggressive move toward Russia had come after the destruction of hundreds of oil tankers used by the “Islamic State” (ISIS) to transport oil from Syria and Iraq to Turkey.

The Syrian Air Force (SyAF) activity is directly linked, coordinated and ordered by a common military operations room, headed by a Russian General, so as to avoid friendly fire or incidents. Russia coordinates most of the air traffic with the US-led coalition activities over Syria for the same purposes. The Russian command needs to assure the safeguard of its military naval and ground force with artillery and air protection since it is operating in various locations and cities over the Syrian geography. Therefore, every air strike, reconnaissance or drone sorties must be agreed and approved before anything takes off. Faisal al-Miqdad, the Syrian deputy Foreign Minister clearly said: “This event took place on Syrian land. Turkey should only blame itself”.

But why the Syrian city of al-Bab?

When Turkey shot down the Russian jet, the aim was to humiliate Russia and push it out of its comfort zone, knowing that Moscow would think carefully before stepping up a full military escalation against Ankara. On the same day, Turkish President Recep Tayyib Erdogan ran to NATO for protection and refuge. The Russian President Vladimir Putin limited his reaction to hitting Turkey proxies in Syria hard, followed by economic sanctions and much more aggressive support to the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. He agreed to help the Syrian Army retake Aleppo and decided to stand and face the United States of America at all costs in Bilad al-Sham. Putin considered the Turkish action not an Erdogan miscalculated adventure but rather a coordinated act of war with the US. Two main strong elements stand out:

  1. Russia coordinates air traffic control with the US, informing the military command of its schedule and presence over specific areas.
  2. It took 17 seconds for the Turkish Air Force to see the Russian Su-24 on its border, ask for orders from the military chain of command and from then via the highest political leadership for the anti-air missile to be launched. This is not a record by military means but impossible to achieve unless previous orders were in place given way ahead.
Nevertheless, the night of the coup-d’Etat against Erdogan allowed Russia to return the hit to the US by informing Erdogan – via Iran – of the plan to kill him. The premises he was spending some holidays in were supposed to be bombed. But the thirty minutes warning were enough to save Erdogan’s life, and, in consequences, caused the failure of the coup that should have been ignited from the Incirlic military Air base, where US officers are established. The Turkish President accused the US administration indirectly, who in turn strongly contested the Turkish reaction in jailing most officers “friendly of the US”.

This event warmed up the Turkish-Russian relationship which had dramatically cooled. In Putin’s eyes, the US, not Erdogan, paid the price (even if not fully) of its involvement in the Su-24 incident.

Turkey responded to the Russian favour by recalling thousands of fighters from Aleppo to the borders to start a military campaign aiming to dismantle the US plan to divide Syria and create a Kurdish state from the Syrian north east, Al-Hasaka, to the Syrian north west, Afrin.

Dismantling the US plan was convenient for:

  1. Turkey by preventing a Kurdish state along its borders. This state, apart form the long-lasting Turkish struggle with the Kurds, would also foil the Turkish dream to annexe part of Syria or impose its agenda on Damascus at the end of the war.
  2. Russia wanted to hit back at the US for the Su-24. The Russian plan is to establish a long-lasting presence in Syria without having to share the territory with its old US enemy. Therefore, the unity of Syria has become valuable for Putin.
  3. Damascus was happy to teach the Kurds a lesson following al-Hasaka events. The government of Syria and the Kurds were always on good terms, supporting Syrian cities under siege, i.e. Aleppo, Nubl and Zahra’. Nevertheless, the US pressure on the Kurds was greater than the long-standing relationship with Damascus. Nevertheless, the Kurds, as a minority, have dream “since forever” about having a Federation for themselves.
All of the above created a convenient environment for many players in favour of the Turkish advance toward Jarablus and disturbing the US plans in the north of Syria. Nevertheless, the Turkish President was not content with contering the Kurdish plan but wanted to expand further, even without Russia closing its eyes to what he was doing.

Turkey allowed regional countries to generously finance and supply Qaidat al-Jihad and Syrian rebels with weapons to initiate major attacks against the Syrian Army and keep it busy within a limited geographical sector, mainly around Aleppo. As soon as Russia and its allies pushed forces toward ISIS occupied territories at al-Tabqa, the jihadists and rebels attacked rural Homs and south Aleppo, forcing Damascus to recall all forces engaged on that front to defend positions under attack.

Recently, jihadists and rebels carried out two major attacks on Aleppo under the banner of “breaking the siege” of the eastern surrounded part of the city. The “Aleppo Epic Battle” and the “Abu Omar Saraqeb” second battle caused months of full engagement for over 25.000 members of the Syrian Army, and around 8500 of all of their allies ground forces (Iraqi militia, Iranian advisors and their Afghan and Pakistani militia). Additionally, the Lebanese Hezbollah decided to inject 2500 of its elite Ridwan force in Aleppo and leave these in the city. The two attacks failed to achieve their objective in that part of Syria but succeeded in giving enough time for Turkey to advance toward al-Bab city and make the Syrian Army less keen to distribute forces around multiple fronts.

Damascus didn’t officially agree with the Russian-Turkish understanding over Jarablus because Syria mistrusted the Turkish leader and wanted to maintain a good relationship with the Kurds. Moscow never agreed with Ankara to expand its military presence for controlling the triangle Jarablus-Manbij-al-Bab or even to go to Raqqah.

The presence of Turkish forces at the door of al-Bab represented a strategic menace to the Syrian Army based in Aleppo from its eastern gate. The presence of Turkish forces and their proxies at 2 km from al-Bab triggered an understanding where ISIS would pull forces from the city without a fight, as was the case in Jarablus. Ankara is trying to insinuate that the intention of its forces to enter al-Bab aim is to stop the Kurdish federation.

But neither Damascus not Russia will tolerate the Turkish control of al-Bab. The Russians delivered a squad of Su-24M2, deployed the anti-air missiles S-300 and S-400 and encouraged the Syrian President to impose new rules of engagement (ROE) and red lines on Turkey for the first time since the creation of the two states.

A squadron of the Syrian Air Force, followed by a protection escort, raided a Turkish military convoy at the door of al-Bab on the morning of the 24th of November, killing 3 Turkish soldiers. Russia was on alert, ready to launch its missiles in case of any Turkish reaction. That was the second Syrian-Turkish confrontation since the last month. The first took place over the Syrian-Turkish borders when two F-16s violated Syrian air space. These were confronted by four MIGs who locked their missiles on the Turkish jets. The F-16 scan radar informed the F-16 pilots who received instructions to return to base. Syria imposed it sovereignty over its air space for the first time. Russia won’t tolerate any further violation and Ankara’s F-16 are no longer permitted in the sky over Syria.

This is exactly what the newly elected US President Donald Trump meant when he declared he has no intention to fight Assad, because this means confronting Putin who is determine to keep Syria united and defend the Syrian regime.

When hitting Turkish soldiers on Syrian territory, Damascus is not provoking Ankara because it had never given the permission to send that army onto Syrian soil. In consequences, the idea of Turkey pushing forces even toward Raqqah is no longer a pushover, because Damascus and Moscow have not said their last word to Turkey and the US.

Since Trump said he has no intention to of triggering a nuclear war or a third World War, the partition of the north of Syria is no longer as easily imposed compared with during Obama administration. Therefore, the future of Syria depends on how Trump-Putin understanding is imposed on all parties. Either that, or the war will proceed even more violently.

Erdogan is weaker than ever in relation to Iraq and Syria: he failed to impose his will regarding participation in the attack against the capital of the caliphate, Mosul, or even the smaller city of Talafar. And today he can’t materialise his dream to annex Aleppo, and his forces are stopped at the gates of al-Bab. If he continues toward Raqqah there is a huge risk: he will have to face a superpower: Russia.

@Ottoman123 , @Sinan
 
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Essentially finally confirms that turkey was supporting ISIS and other rebels for all these years.

Hope turkey suffers a long and painful defeat of cultivating the next tranche of jihadis.
This is excatly what is happening, Turkey is in the hands of an isis backing regime, Mr Erdogan who are you fooling, you are hand in gloves with the daesh terrorists.
Turkey is doing this for its own benefit, backing isis it can get their oil and also contain the khurdish people from setting up their own state.
 
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Caliphate was abolished on Nov 1, 1922
One month after, formation of USSR was signed on Dec 30, 1922.
One great power was abolished and another took its place about same time.
 
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Well my view all along for conflicts in Afghanistan and Syria are very simple
  • Turkey goes into Syria confiscates the area , till it is secured , Russia goes back , Iran falls back.
  • Pakistan goes into Afghansitan ends all problems there
  • US gets out of region , focuses on making America great again
So I am generally ok with this chess move
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However I wish Mr Assad to be sent on political Assylum to Russia 50 Million dollars and nice home in Russia with Chef and cars

If Syria becomes province of Turkey don't see any major issue they were part of Tukey in past and for Syrian residents stuck in Europe or world wide they would just love to come home as first priority and rebuild their nation

  • Syrian refugee come back to their home land and rebuild with International Fund

Europe can chil and stop complaining about refugee thing every one is happy
 
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Without Turks, Syria, Iraq and Iran would all be under Crusader rule to this day. Time to think about that for a moment.
We protected these lands for a thousand years.
Now these Middle Eastern people cannot defend themselves from ISIS. :lol:
Now you want to talk about OIL? TERRORISM? SECTARIANISM?
 
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Why Turkey did not order their army for the same action against Israel. If they have pain for Syrians then why not for Phelistians? Turkey and other Arab countries create ISIS to dominate Iranian influence in the region. Now isis is facing defeate so These Devils r coming to help those Terrorist.
 
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