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Can we make this thread sticky for the time being, please?
The constitutional referendum will be held in Turkey on Sunday, 16 April 2017 but Turkish nationals abroad already started voting.
• A strong executive branch is necessary for making decisions more quickly and for taking the necessary steps for the country’s economic and democratic development.
• There is a confusion in the jurisdictions of the president and the prime minister in the parliamentary system, which adopting a presidential system will clear up.
• The presidential system does not necessarily mean a federal system.
• The presidential system does not pave the way for less democracy there are plenty of democratic presidential systems.
• The presidential system prevents the forming of coalitions which have damaged Turkey in terms of stability and economy in the past.
• The presidential system has been advocated by many of Turkey’s previous leaders, such as Ozal and Demirel.
• The proposed presidential system is more in line with Turkish political culture compared to the parliamentary system.
• The stability following the presidential system will lay the grounds for a stronger economy.
• There is precedent for a presidential system in Turkey. Until Ataturk’s death, a de facto presidential system was in place. The president had also held the leadership of a political party. This principle was repealed after 1960 coup.
• The presidential system will create a strong barrier against coups.
• The system in Turkey is already non-parliamentary. The jurisdiction of the president is extraordinarily large. In the new system, more responsibility and accountability will be attached.
• The opponents of the presidential system oppose it because they do not think they can win the presidency. They believe only the AK Party appeals to a large sector of the public and can win the seat.
• The presidential system is necessary to solve the deep-rooted problems of the country more quickly.
• The principle of separation of powers will remain intact in the presidential system. Hence, the parliament will be a strong and independent power in the political system.
• Turkish political life has experienced many severe government crises. The presidential system will put an end to these by providing a sounder political framework for formation of new governments.
• The presidential system promotes consensus among the political parties and in the country itself. In the parliamentary system, even the small parties can expect to be a part of the executive branch. Thus, they tend to separate themselves from others and hold on to their differences. This institutionalizes the conflict and fault lines in the society. However, in the presidential system, political parties have to win the majority of the vote. Thus, they are more inclusive.
• The amendment package states the president can be elected for a maximum of two five-year terms. Therefore, the system makes way for the democratic transition of power.
• The parliamentary system has allowed for military and bureaucratic paternalism due to the lack of strong governments.
• The presidential system will strengthen the national security of Turkey.
• The government’s vote of confidence will be given directly by the people.
• The parliamentary system produces coalitions that have had negative implications for both justice in representation and stability in administration, which have been inversely correlated. The country had to give up either the stability by allowing coalitions to rule the country, or the just representation by increasing the election threshold.
Source : http://www.akparti.org.tr
• A disproportionate increase in the president’s authority. It opens the way for one-man rule.
• Transition to the presidential system is advocated through its success in the US, but it is different from the US version - the draft destroys separation of powers and increases the executive branch’s powers extraordinarily.
• The draft is a step towards a systemic change rather than being a mere constitutional revision. If passed, the new changes lead the way to an authoritarian Turkey.
• There are no checks and balances in the proposed system. The president’s jurisdiction is extended without restrictions.
• The election of the president through popular vote does not necessarily guarantee the full representation of the national will. Curbing of checks and balances will lead to an arbitrary
rule in the new system.
• In the new system, the executive powers are all gathered in the person of the president whereas currently it rests in the government as well. The system proposes a one-man rule.
• The appointment and dismissal of the ministers and vice presidents are within the mandate of the president and parliamentary approval in their appointment is not necessary in the new system. Moreover, the legislative is further weakened by leaving it bereft of its right to dismiss or to oversee them. The institutions of vote of confidence and questioning of the council of ministers are abolished.
• Under this proposed draft, the path to the president’s trial shall be commenced by the signatures of 301 deputies in the proposed 600-seat parliament. Parliament will be able to set up a commission of inquiry by secret ballot of 360 deputies. If the inquiry commission decides to send the President to the Supreme Court to face trial, the President will only be tried following a secret ballot of 400 deputies.
Source : https://www.chp.org.tr
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Can we make this thread sticky for the time being, please?
The constitutional referendum will be held in Turkey on Sunday, 16 April 2017 but Turkish nationals abroad already started voting.
Voting starts in Europe for Turkish referendum
The AK Party’s Arguments for a Presidential System
• There is a confusion in the jurisdictions of the president and the prime minister in the parliamentary system, which adopting a presidential system will clear up.
• The presidential system does not necessarily mean a federal system.
• The presidential system does not pave the way for less democracy there are plenty of democratic presidential systems.
• The presidential system prevents the forming of coalitions which have damaged Turkey in terms of stability and economy in the past.
• The presidential system has been advocated by many of Turkey’s previous leaders, such as Ozal and Demirel.
• The proposed presidential system is more in line with Turkish political culture compared to the parliamentary system.
• The stability following the presidential system will lay the grounds for a stronger economy.
• There is precedent for a presidential system in Turkey. Until Ataturk’s death, a de facto presidential system was in place. The president had also held the leadership of a political party. This principle was repealed after 1960 coup.
• The presidential system will create a strong barrier against coups.
• The system in Turkey is already non-parliamentary. The jurisdiction of the president is extraordinarily large. In the new system, more responsibility and accountability will be attached.
• The opponents of the presidential system oppose it because they do not think they can win the presidency. They believe only the AK Party appeals to a large sector of the public and can win the seat.
• The presidential system is necessary to solve the deep-rooted problems of the country more quickly.
• The principle of separation of powers will remain intact in the presidential system. Hence, the parliament will be a strong and independent power in the political system.
• Turkish political life has experienced many severe government crises. The presidential system will put an end to these by providing a sounder political framework for formation of new governments.
• The presidential system promotes consensus among the political parties and in the country itself. In the parliamentary system, even the small parties can expect to be a part of the executive branch. Thus, they tend to separate themselves from others and hold on to their differences. This institutionalizes the conflict and fault lines in the society. However, in the presidential system, political parties have to win the majority of the vote. Thus, they are more inclusive.
• The amendment package states the president can be elected for a maximum of two five-year terms. Therefore, the system makes way for the democratic transition of power.
• The parliamentary system has allowed for military and bureaucratic paternalism due to the lack of strong governments.
• The presidential system will strengthen the national security of Turkey.
• The government’s vote of confidence will be given directly by the people.
• The parliamentary system produces coalitions that have had negative implications for both justice in representation and stability in administration, which have been inversely correlated. The country had to give up either the stability by allowing coalitions to rule the country, or the just representation by increasing the election threshold.
Source : http://www.akparti.org.tr
The CHP’s Arguments Against the Proposition
• A disproportionate increase in the president’s authority. It opens the way for one-man rule.
• Transition to the presidential system is advocated through its success in the US, but it is different from the US version - the draft destroys separation of powers and increases the executive branch’s powers extraordinarily.
• The draft is a step towards a systemic change rather than being a mere constitutional revision. If passed, the new changes lead the way to an authoritarian Turkey.
• There are no checks and balances in the proposed system. The president’s jurisdiction is extended without restrictions.
• The election of the president through popular vote does not necessarily guarantee the full representation of the national will. Curbing of checks and balances will lead to an arbitrary
rule in the new system.
• In the new system, the executive powers are all gathered in the person of the president whereas currently it rests in the government as well. The system proposes a one-man rule.
• The appointment and dismissal of the ministers and vice presidents are within the mandate of the president and parliamentary approval in their appointment is not necessary in the new system. Moreover, the legislative is further weakened by leaving it bereft of its right to dismiss or to oversee them. The institutions of vote of confidence and questioning of the council of ministers are abolished.
• Under this proposed draft, the path to the president’s trial shall be commenced by the signatures of 301 deputies in the proposed 600-seat parliament. Parliament will be able to set up a commission of inquiry by secret ballot of 360 deputies. If the inquiry commission decides to send the President to the Supreme Court to face trial, the President will only be tried following a secret ballot of 400 deputies.
Source : https://www.chp.org.tr
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@The Commander @AVCI @manowar @Hexciter @yakusha @otriz @Timur @Vatoz @F-15I @yason @R.A.K @deadmau5e @madmusti @KemalPasa @FutureMe @kardeş @Stimpy75 @Nefer @KingWest @Turkish_FR @SouI @Cengaver @Yatağanlı @UkroTurk @Yellow-place @TeaParty @IR-TR @egolfs @Kutsanan @universal soldier @TrMhMt @TheGrim @assslan @CrimsonFury @bsruzm @Deliorman @Saithan @Zulkarneyn @Sinan @Mucahit @Yenikuyu @yeniçeri , @era_shield @AnatolianEagle @Orez
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