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Thank you for the response, I will look into it. Why the US would want to support Islamists over a secular govt in Turkey I cannot fathom; up to now Turkey has been something of a model majority Muslim state that is democratic/isn't a theocracy.
The US uses whoever is useful, Al-Qaeda wasnt exactly secular either.
Gülen cult had a really strong network in state organs basically reaching a point where they could shape Turkish policy, they only got much stronger after Gülens exile in US, now imagine the influence the US had on this organization by protecting their founding father which gave US an indirect acces to reshape Turkey's policies and decisions.
One such exsample is that the secular party CHP voted no to US invasion of Iraq from Turkish soil in 2003 while islamist AKP voted yes, now when you dont know the background it makes no sense since secularists should be the pro Americanists but once you connect the dots it all makes sense.

Screwed the country for a decade? Before that Turkey was a land were milk and honey was flowing? How old are you?
No i didnt say that, im talking about wrong decisions that have been done in that decade which led to the situation we are in today.
 
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Can you give a 1 or 2 sentence summary of what they're accused of (and group name)? I don't speak Turkish, so all I could gather from the video was of a Turkish-American civic group.

I'm guessing anti-Erdogan, maybe JDP, but they're not trying to revert Istanbul back to Constantinople right? :tongue:
I like to watch movies and occasionally watch comic book videos on youtube. And in Marvel comics (Captain America) and the movie "Captain America: The Winter Soldier". There is an organization called 'Hydra'. In this movie they took over SHIELD (a legit organisation) and were planning to take over the whole country by killing the most influential people.

Gulen movement is exactly like that. Trying to take over the most important positions, leadership positions and the whole country as a result. The failed coup attempt was (imho) their last stand/kamikaze attack to try and take over the country. Because they were being purged before this and I feel like they were driven in a corner (in the sense that if they didn't do anything soon it would mean the end of their organization). This is way more dangerous than any terrorist group. A terrorist group is a proxy, nothing more than a pawn that kills people with attacks and it's power is pretty much limited and does not reach any further than that. But Gulen's movement is way more dangerous, they wanted to take over the whole country and subjugate it's people. Something a rag tag terrorist organization can't even dream of doing.

The tricky part of the Gulen movement is that they knew how to camouflage themselves. Their organisation has been growing in plain sight for almost 40 years. And that's why foreign countries (especially EU and US) don't see them as a threat and refuse to believe Turkey. That is if Gulen isn't a proxy working for them to begin with. EU and US journalistic policy about Erdogan, Turkey and Gulentists as well as not extraditing Gulen does make me think that Gulen and his movement is indeed a proxy working for them.

But contrasting that you also got this going on in the US: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/fbi-probing-network-of-gulen-linked-schools-report/782791.
 
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US journalistic policy about Erdogan, Turkey and Gulentists as well as not extraditing Gulen does make me think that Gulen and his movement is indeed a proxy working for them.
Im pretty sure that Gülen organization is working with US intelligence, and this is the problem here, ministry of justice for exsample cant see what CIA is doing which makes proving a link to enforce Gülens extradition virtually impossible so its just being labeled as conspiracy theory.
 
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The US uses whoever is useful, Al-Qaeda wasnt exactly secular either.
Gülen cult had a really strong network in state organs basically reaching a point where they could shape Turkish policy, they only got much stronger after Gülens exile in US, now imagine the influence the US had on this organization by protecting their founding father which gave US an indirect acces to reshape Turkey's policies and decisions.
One such exsample is that the secular party CHP voted no to US invasion of Iraq from Turkish soil in 2003 while islamist AKP voted yes, now when you dont know the background it makes no sense since secularists should be the pro Americanists but once you connect the dots it all makes sense.


No i didnt say that, im talking about wrong decisions that have been done in that decade which led to the situation we are in today.

I don't want to derail this thread (aviation), so I'll just say this: looking into it, seems there are no angels. Gulen & his organization are definitely fishy, and Erdogan is Turkey's own Putin, who makes his own laws. They were even in bed together, both Islamist, until alliance was no longer convenient. Ideally, both are removed from the picture, and Turkey moves on.

There was a very balanced article imo from Deutche Welle, but seems I can't post links yet :astagh:

Ok, back to aviation :yes4: Thanks guys, I learned something
 
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Havasan Goktug light helicopter project

https://havasan.com.tr/
havasan-goktug.jpg

Takeoff weight 1150kg
Cruise speed 180km/h
Max speed 220km/h
Range 500km

All Credits to @Nutuk
 
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All Helicopter tour companies use these helicopters as its cheap option and use less fuel.. great opportunity to sell.
I dream about AH6 Little Bird like small helicopters in inventory with our special forces tied to the army and also to tactical response units like POH and JOPER. It could be very useful for fast air assaults/air insertions of small teams in urban environment. S70s are good but they can't match the maneuverability and the fast and precise insertions that Little Birds give. Also some of them can be equipped with weapon systems so they even can give limited fire support to the troops on the ground after the insertion.
 
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I dream about AH6 Little Bird like small helicopters in inventory with our special forces tied to the army and also to tactical response units like POH and JOPER. It could be very useful for fast air assaults/air insertions of small teams in urban environment. S70s are good but they can't match the maneuverability and the fast and precise insertions that Little Birds give. Also some of them can be equipped with weapon systems so they even can give limited fire support to the troops on the ground after the insertion.


ITU Arikopter project came to my mind :undecided:
 
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From what I remember ITU lacked funding so TAI took over the project as part of their light helicopter project..
 
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From what I remember ITU lacked funding so TAI took over the project as part of their light helicopter project..
It started 8 years ago but there is still no news.. I think it was cancelled.

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"The T625 is intended to be the first model in what is planned to be a family of indigenous helicopters, spanning the size range from 3.5tonnes up to 10-12tonnes. A four-seat training helicopter is expected to be the next model in TAI’s new helicopter family, but is unlikely to be launched until T625 development is complete."


Turkey joins the rotary club
Posted 28 December 2017 · Add Comment

Jon Lake reports on the creation of Turkey’s first indigenous helicopter.



First revealed at the IDEF (International Defence Industry Fair) at the Tüyap İstanbul Fair and Congress Centre in May 2017, and subsequently shown in the static display at the Paris Air Show in July, the TAI-625 is Turkey’s first fully indigenous helicopter.
More than a simple mock-up, the T625 shown at Paris was largely based on a production-representative fuselage and other fully engineered components.
The Paris appearance was described as being part of a pre-marketing product awareness campaign, but serious work is already under way on the programme, with construction of the first prototype having begun in July 2016.
The T625 is a 12-passenger, 6tonne medium twin helicopter, designed to operate in hot and high environments and adverse weather conditions, and intended to compete with helicopters like the Leonardo AgustaWestland AW139 and the Airbus H175.
The helicopter is an attractive, modern-looking design and is broadly reminiscent of the Airbus H155 and the AW139 in appearance and configuration. It has a conventional but fully retractable undercarriage, with twin nose-wheels and single main undercarriage wheels, and is fitted with a five-bladed main rotor and a conventional four-bladed tail rotor.
The aircraft features a flat cabin floor that can be configured for passenger or VIP transport, emergency medical services, cargo, offshore transport, and search and rescue missions, and has large sliding cabin doors on each side, with separate outward-opening cockpit doors. It will be equipped with a four-axis dual redundant automatic flight control system.
TAI began the detailed design of the T625 in 2013 under the name Ozgun, after a programme launch in June 2010. The numerical T625 designation was substituted in January 2017 with the initial ‘6’, representing the helicopter’s six tonne gross weight, ‘2’ indicating the two engines and ‘5’ the number of main rotor blades.
The T625 programme builds on TAI’s successful development of the T129 Atak helicopter, a licence-built and extensively upgraded variant of the AgustaWestland AW129 Mangusta, which incorporates Turkish-developed avionics, self-protection equipment and weapon systems. Some 22 examples from an initial order for 59 units have been delivered to the Turkish army, and one further aircraft has been retained as a test platform.
Negotiations for a second batch of at least 25 helicopters are already under way, and TAI is reportedly in negotiations with Pakistan for an officially undisclosed number of T129s (thought to be 30).
TAI is also producing 109-121 Lockheed Martin/Sikorsky S-70i International Black Hawk helicopters for the Turkish Armed Forces under the Turkish utility helicopter programme (TUHP), a major manufacturing project that promises to give the company invaluable experience in the mass production of advanced rotorcraft.
Development of the T625 was largely driven by domestic requirements, and though there is, as yet, no launch customer for the type, the Turkish Government has reportedly expressed an interest in placing a multi-aircraft order, probably starting with an order for police helicopters for the Jandarma (a branch of the armed forces, reporting to the Ministry of the Interior) and/or for the Turkish National Police, controlled by the General Directorate of Security.
Turkey is also witnessing steady growth in its domestic helicopter market and TAI hopes to sell T625s for parapublic roles, including helicopter emergency medical (HEMS), air ambulance, law enforcement, fire-fighting and rescue, and also for executive and VIP transport. There is also a strong military market, with a pressing need to replace the Turkish armed forces’ ageing fleet of Bell Model 205/UH-1Hs.
TAI sees a total domestic market for up to 300 T625s over the next 15 years. It also hopes for healthy export sales, another 400-500 airframes over a 20-25 year period.
The company is further hoping that Ankara’s foreign relations might allow it to secure orders in markets that may not be so easy for rivals like Airbus Helicopters and Lockheed Martin/Sikorsky.
The T625 is initially being developed for the civil transport market and the military version will follow about two years after the first flight. That variant will be optimised for troop transport, search and rescue, and casualty evacuation missions.
The first of three flying prototypes is expected to make its maiden flight in September 2018, with the second following in about March 2019.
The first two prototypes will be representative of the planned civilian version, while the third will represent the military variant. There will also be a number of ground-test aircraft, including a transmission test rig, a structural and fatigue test ‘iron bird’, and an avionics test rig assigned to Aselsan.
Turkish civil certification is expected in mid-to-late 2020, and European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) certification will follow.
The T625 will be an almost entirely indigenous Turkish helicopter, although Sikorsky will be a major subcontractor, and Spanish firm CESA will be responsible for hydraulic systems.
Initially the helicopter will be powered by an imported engine, in the shape of the Rolls-Royce Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Co (LHTEC) CTS800-4A (T800) turbine engine, which was chosen for commonality with the T129 attack helicopter. The T625 will be the first commercial helicopter to be powered by the T800 engine.
In time, even the helicopter’s powerplant will be made in Turkey, since Tusas Engine Industries (TEI) is already developing an indigenous TS1400 turboshaft engine for the T625 and the T129 under the turboshaft engine development project (TEDP), which was formally launched in February 2017.
The new TEI engine is also intended to power new versions of the TAI Hürkuş turboprop trainer and light combat aircraft.
Development of the new engine is expected to take 7-10 years, with design accounting for two years and prototype production and testing taking another four-and-a-half.
Until then, all T625s will be built with the LHTEC powerplant, which is expected to give a cruise speed of roughly 150 knots, and an endurance of about 3.8 hours, with a full fuel load of 2,248lb (1,020kg).
Everything else on the production T625 is expected to be ‘made in Turkey’, and even the main gearbox and transmission is being developed in-house, with the support of several international consultants.
Testing of the first prototype gearbox, which is being produced by an unnamed outside supplier, will begin later in 2017, but TAI will also manufacture its first two in-house gearboxes this year.
Other Turkish partner companies include engineering and manufacturing firm Alp Aviation, which will be responsible for the production and assembly of the landing gear, and of some gearbox and dynamic components.
Aselsan, Turkey’s biggest defence electronics company, will supply the T625’s on-board electronics, including a newly-developed avionics suite. This will feature two large wide-area touchscreen displays (one per pilot) showing flight data and map and engine information on the main panel, with two more touchscreens for flight planning, radios and aircraft system on the centre pedestal. The cockpit is designed to allow VFR and IFR single-pilot operation.
The military version of the T625 would probably be equipped with a variety of Aselsan systems, including the company’s active phased-array electronic warfare and countermeasures system.
The T625 is intended to be the first model in what is planned to be a family of indigenous helicopters, spanning the size range from 3.5tonnes up to 10-12tonnes. A four-seat training helicopter is expected to be the next model in TAI’s new helicopter family, but is unlikely to be launched until T625 development is complete.



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http://www.cesa.aero/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=188&Itemid=191

http://www.cesa.aero/en/index.php?o...esa-tai-tlhu-tren&catid=28:noticias&Itemid=31

http://www.cesa.aero/en/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=91&Itemid=120

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