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Turkish Armed Forces enter Syria to evacuate ÖKK operators, Turkish Flag raised in Ashma-Syria, 1 KI

1x Soldier has died during this Operation , They called it an "accident" but my Question is where are the Details ?

Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri Genelkurmay Başkanlığı

This is just all...

I've heard that he tried to take some selfies wearing no helmet, while on the turret of an m-60 running, and the door of the turret somehow closed on his head, leaving him with a fatal injury..

But I did not see any confirmation on this.

bro my heart also says same things..but my brain says we should be patience.but ypg try to countrol norther syria is real threat for us.we should not let this happening.they are more dangerious than isis for us..

Yeah, but what can we do about it? Helping ISIS would do nothing about it, that is what we have seen so far.

The YPG forces proved to be self-sufficient that ISIS cannot beat them. This is my observation though.

ISIS needs air power in order to be able to advance on YPG, which is impossible.
 
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Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri Genelkurmay Başkanlığı

This is just all...

I've heard that he tried to take some selfies wearing no helmet, while on the turret of an m-60 running, and the door of the turret somehow closed on his head, leaving him with a fatal injury..

But I did not see any confirmation on this.



Yeah, but what can we do about it? Helping ISIS would do nothing about it, that is what we have seen so far.

The YPG forces proved to be self-sufficient that ISIS cannot beat them. This is my observation though.

ISIS needs air power in order to be able to advance on YPG, which is impossible.
Turkey is not helping isil .but we help free syrian army..Kurds are okey now but they should be under control...isis must be destroied and free syria army must control this area instead of kurdish..well it is very complicated for us.
 
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1x Soldier has died during this Operation , They called it an "accident" but my Question is where are the Details ?

Başçavuş Halit nasıl şehit oldu? Acılı baba açıkladı...
'TANK KAPAĞI KAFASINA ÇARPTI'

Oğlunun Ankara'da görevli olduğunu ve foto-filmde astsubay olarak görev yaptığını anlatan baba Mustafa Avcı, şunları kaydetti: Suriye'ye gittikten sonra geri dönerken tankın üzerine çıkmış, kapağı açmış. Orada fotoğraf çekiyordu. engebeli arazide 50-60 kilogramlık kapak kapandı ve kafasına vurdu. Aldığımız bilgiye göre orada şehit oldu. Vatan sağ olsun.
 
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Turkey is not helping isil .but we help free syrian army..Kurds are okey now but they should be under control...isis must be destroied and free syria army must control this area instead of kurdish..well it is very complicated for us.
Arright... I will keep hoping that our government 'actually' knows what they are doing.... and that their plans are actually realistic.....
 
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This is the most shameful event in our republic history. For the first time we abandoned and gave up our "land". And this "honor" belongs to so called "Neo-Ottomans" or they prefer to be called "evladı osmani" (descendants of ottoman). How pathetic, isn't it? Months ago the mysterious whistleblower in Twitter named Fuat Avni had said Erdogan is ready to give up the Süleyman Şah tomb and wants its get done quietly. And now it already happened. Those who were ready to give up our land today will be ready to give up the east part of our country in the near future for sure! So called "peace process" tells us what is going to happen. And those citizens who supported/support this man will be part of that responsibility.
 
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Başçavuş Halit nasıl şehit oldu? Acılı baba açıkladı...
'TANK KAPAĞI KAFASINA ÇARPTI'

Oğlunun Ankara'da görevli olduğunu ve foto-filmde astsubay olarak görev yaptığını anlatan baba Mustafa Avcı, şunları kaydetti: Suriye'ye gittikten sonra geri dönerken tankın üzerine çıkmış, kapağı açmış. Orada fotoğraf çekiyordu. engebeli arazide 50-60 kilogramlık kapak kapandı ve kafasına vurdu. Aldığımız bilgiye göre orada şehit oldu. Vatan sağ olsun.


Allah Rahmet Eylesin.
 
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good idea. why it wasn't done earlier surprises me actually. though i read in a newspaper that this mission has been planned since 3 months. the soldiers are surrounded and sitting ducks (just check pictures of the tomb to see how poorly defendable it is). It's much better to relocate the tomb to elsewhere in Syria. The fact that they temporarily moved it close to Turkey instead of bringing everything to Turkey gives the message 'we wont give up our ground rights in Syria, we will settle this business with you later'. if they brought everything into Turkey, then it would have been cowardice, if you ask me. Especially the politicians that are calling it cowardice are probably also the ones who wouldnt want to take responsibility if those soldiers would have died in a clash with isis. Instead they would blame the govt for failing to protect or do anything for those soldiers and tomb. On top of it, once that tomb or those soldiers were harmed, Turkey was going to be involved directly in all that mess which seems endless. Furthermore, if Turkey then decided not to get involved by retaliating and drawing more aggression towards it from isis, then it would be a huge prestige loss and a humiliating defeat in front of the world. Better safe than sorry. I for one am really happy with this move and the safety of those soldiers.

edit: imo people are quick to make all kinds of grave and pessimistic accusations, but in the end it will turn out to be different, reasonable or the right choice.
 
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With this mentally we will see more happy! citizens in the future. They will say:

"Hey do not make APO angry, can`t you comprehend how hard to defend our land in Eastern Anatolia? Its terrain is so hard to defend (Just look at the maps you will see how hard the terrain is). Our soldiers were being watched and under siege by PKK terrorists for months. Also, every city is filled up with bombs and PKK/KCK mobilizes the supporters. It is better to "relocate" our troops in the Western Anatolia. The fact that we temporarily moved. Instead of bringing everything to Western Anatolia, we left everything behind. The message is "we wont give up our ground rights in Eastern Anatolia, we will settle this business with you later." If they brought everything into Turkey, then it would have been cowardice, if you ask me. Do not think we will not go back one day. We are all mighty. Our prime minster says once again 'do not dare to test our patient again!' and our almighty the world leader says 'we burn those hands who touch our land'. On top of it, once the Eastern Anatolia or those soldiers there were harmed, Turkey was going to be involved directly in all that mess which seems endless. Furthermore, if Turkey then decided not to get involved by retaliating and drawing more aggression towards it from PKK, then it would be a huge prestige loss and a humiliating defeat in front of the world. Better safe than sorry. I for one am really happy with this move and the safety of those soldiers."

Edit: Imo, people are quick to make all kinds of frivolous and optimistic approaches, but in the end it will turn out to be worse, humiliating, and wrong choice. Because some people are so dumb to see the truth and the consequences!
 
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The Turkish flag is raised in the Eshme region of Aleppo where the Tomb of Suleyman Shah will be placed [Getty]

ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Luke Coffey
Luke Coffey is a research fellow specialising in transatlantic and Eurasian security at a Washington DC based think tank. He previously served as a special adviser to the British defence secretary and was a commissioned officer in the United States army.

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Turkey's decision to relocate the tomb of Tomb of Suleyman Shah - a piece of Turkish territory in Syria and the grandfather of Osman I, the founder of the Ottoman Empire - should come as no surprise, but it should not be interpreted as a change in Turkish policy on Syria. Instead, it should be seen as a marked continuation of Turkey's policy of fence-sitting and reluctance when it comes to dealing with the threat ISIL poses to the region.

Relocating the tomb is in line with what to expect from Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. For a leader who sees Turkey's role in the region through the lens of the Ottoman Empire, and for someone who sees himself as a neo-Ottoman sultan, the tomb is simply too important to abandon. The tomb has been under the control of Turkey for 700 years, and Erdogan does not want to be the one to go down in history as the leader who lost the tomb forever.

Slap in the face to Kobane

Turkey's relocation of the tomb also shows Erdogan's interesting priorities. For months, as the inhabitants of Kobane fought and died while besieged by ISIL, the Turkish military sat comfortably on the other side of the border. Turkey offered only limited assistance to the fighters and no military help was provided. Instead, the Turkish military served as mere spectators.

Does Turkey's evacuation and relocation of the tomb signal the possibility of a greater Turkish involvement in the fight against ISIL? Probably not. If anything it signifies a retreat of sorts - and acquiescence of Turkish sovereign territory to ISIL's control.



It was only after a 700-year-old tomb came under threat that Erdogan was willing to muster almost 600 soldiers, 57 armoured vehicles, and 39 tanks to take action. The fact that the journey from the Turkish border to the location of the tomb passes through Kobane only adds to this twisted irony. One can only guess what the Turkish soldiers were thinking as their convoy made its way through the still smouldering rubble and devastation of Kobane.

Does Turkey's evacuation and relocation of the tomb signal the possibility of a greater Turkish involvement in the fight against ISIL? Probably not. If anything, it signifies a retreat of sorts - and acquiescence of Turkish sovereign territory to ISIL's control.

Unless Turkey wanted to enter the fight against ISIL, and commit the necessary resources to defend the tomb, it had no choice but to remove the relics and sarcophagus to a safer location. Imagine the propaganda coup ISIL would have had if it captured the tomb and its defenders.

Across Iraq and Syria ISIL has a track record of destroying "idolatrous" tombs no matter their age, religion, or historical significance. The image of 40 Turkish soldiers in orange jumpsuits, locked away in cages while waiting to be burnt alive, would probably have forced Erdogan into doing something he does not want to do: enter the fight against ISIL.

Symbolism

For Erdogan the simple way to avoid this possibility was not by taking a more robust stance against ISIL but by removing the problem by removing the tomb. Considering that this operation took place without a shot being fired (although one Turkish soldier tragically died from an "accident"), one can only assume that there was coordination with the Kurdish fighters in the area - and probably with ISIL too.

Ankara said that there was coordination with the anti-ISIL coalition and this probably explains the increase in coalition air strikes in the area around the tomb in recent days.

The symbolism behind keeping the tomb outside Turkish borders and inside Syria should not be understated. For Erdogan, this is a matter of national pride. The Turkish authorities could have easily relocated the tomb inside Turkey, but this would not have fit with Erdogan's neo-Ottoman image. There was no question that the tomb had to stay in Syria, even if it is now located in the small border village of Eshme - only a mere 200m from the border.

How Syrian President Bashar al-Assad will respond to the relocation of the tomb is anyone's guess. He will not be happy, but he is in no position to do anything about it. The new location is well outside his control. There is no doubt that ISIL will try to attain some propaganda victory from the appearance of a Turkish retreat. Little if anything will change with Turkish policy resulting from the relocation. As Syria burns on its doorstep, Ankara will continue to hope that the conflict will not spill over.

Sadly, for the people of Turkey, "hope" is not a very good policy.

Luke Coffey is a research fellow specialising in transatlantic and Eurasian security at a Washington DC based think-tank. He previously served as a special adviser to the British defence secretary and was a commissioned officer in the United States army.

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.

Source: Al Jazeera
Turkish troops pass smouldering Kobane to save shrine - Al Jazeera English
No seriously you send your troops in to save a shrine ?
 
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I'm gonna give pakistanis the medal for "best ever re-poster". Dude there's a thread on the same subject just above your thread. Why are pakistanis always do this? Is there a deficit of ophthalmologists in there?

And the article is a piece of horse crap. Pkk sympathizers couldn't have written better than this mofo from murica.
 
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Turkey's relocation of the tomb also shows Erdogan's interesting priorities. For months, as the inhabitants of Kobane fought and died while besieged by ISIL, the Turkish military sat comfortably on the other side of the border. Turkey offered only limited assistance to the fighters and no military help was provided. Instead, the Turkish military served as mere spectators.

Oppening your borders to hundereds of thousands of Kurds from Kobane on top of millions of Syrian Arabs is being considered as "limited asssistance" by these bunch apparently. Spending billions of dollars and burdening not only the financial hardship but also problems created by the cultural differences between 2 milion refugees and locals is equal to "sitting comfortably" apparently. According to this bunch, Turkey should have helped YPG which is the extension of the terror organization PKK which happen to kill Turkish soldiers and civillians for more than three decades. Why? Because they think that ANYONE who fight against IS must be fucking saints.

Inhabitants of Kobane did not fought and died, they were being taken care of by Turkey and they were being protected by those very military you accuse of sitting "comfortably" while PKK terrorists were fighting against IS terrorists in hope of exactly these types of articles.

These Kürt fethishes from Europe and America man... They can be more annoying than the 'Kürtçü's of Turkey. Btw, I didn't know Aljazeera was publishing such articles about Turkey...
 
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With this mentally we will see more happy! citizens in the future. They will say:

"Hey do not make APO angry, can`t you comprehend how hard to defend our land in Eastern Anatolia? Its terrain is so hard to defend (Just look at the maps you will see how hard the terrain is). Our soldiers were being watched and under siege by PKK terrorists for months. Also, every city is filled up with bombs and PKK/KCK mobilizes the supporters. It is better to "relocate" our troops in the Western Anatolia. The fact that we temporarily moved. Instead of bringing everything to Western Anatolia, we left everything behind. The message is "we wont give up our ground rights in Eastern Anatolia, we will settle this business with you later." If they brought everything into Turkey, then it would have been cowardice, if you ask me. Do not think we will not go back one day. We are all mighty. Our prime minster says once again 'do not dare to test our patient again!' and our almighty the world leader says 'we burn those hands who touch our land'. On top of it, once the Eastern Anatolia or those soldiers there were harmed, Turkey was going to be involved directly in all that mess which seems endless. Furthermore, if Turkey then decided not to get involved by retaliating and drawing more aggression towards it from PKK, then it would be a huge prestige loss and a humiliating defeat in front of the world. Better safe than sorry. I for one am really happy with this move and the safety of those soldiers."

Edit: Imo, people are quick to make all kinds of frivolous and optimistic approaches, but in the end it will turn out to be worse, humiliating, and wrong choice. Because some people are so dumb to see the truth and the consequences!
'Retreat from south east' You fantasize too much. How you can connect (and that in a rather silly way) two irrelevant cases through this action is quite strange. Anyway this action is more logical than illogical imo.

No need to get personal by calling others names for their opinion.
 
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After the war is over turkey should build some type of military fortification at the old location and put the tomb inside so that this type of thing never happens again. The tomb was completely vulnerable to attack and could easily be besieged, its so easy to isolate because its on a tiny peninsula like thing. The troops there would have no way to effectively respond to an attack.

I have some mixed opinions on this decision, on one side its a retreat but on the other side its a very smart move. The tomb was just another way to get Turkey more involved in Syria if it were to be attacked and now it can't be attacked. No soldiers will be in danger anymore. IDK its a tough thing to have an opinion on because the location it was previously at isn't even the original location so that raises the question as to whether or not the location is important or is a tiny piece of land that has to be located in syria more important?

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