Turkish Airforce ( domestic capabilities and new technologies )

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want to add some info about Hisar A and Hisar O. Program was commenced with agreement between SSB(former SSM) and Roketsan in 2012. Original due date was 2016 to complete whole systems ready. They couldn't finish the project and got extra time.

It was first air defence missile project of Turkey, some technical diffuculties are normal but it smells there are bad project management too. It is already end of 2018 but we dont have final products. They should have readied basic product and then take care further improvements.

I don't see this as an issue. Armed forces constantly want improved features, so if a delay means a better system for the armed forces then ultimately it doesn't matter about few years of delays. Block upgrades could be considered but it'll cost more and systems will still be out of service... Best to have the right system performing best with 'feature creep' being the least of their problems.

 

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want to add some info about Hisar A and Hisar O. Program was commenced with agreement between SSB(former SSM) and Roketsan in 2012. Original due date was 2016 to complete whole systems ready. They couldn't finish the project and got extra time.

It was first air defence missile project of Turkey, some technical diffuculties are normal but it smells there are bad project management too. It is already end of 2018 but we dont have final products. They should have readied basic product and then take care further improvements.

A big air defence missile family which is going to cover all requirements of Armed Forces are being developed. Improved features, updated requirements create some difficulty but missiles will be adopted to meet requirements of not only Land but also Naval Forces. Hisar-O medium range missile, will have an altitude performance around 15-18km which is equal to altitude performance of Israeli long range Barak-8. Hisar-O+ and N variants will even have more improved features. When they are inducted into Armed Forces, Turkey will have gained a multi-layered network centric and capable national SAM family.

 

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but we dont have air coverege yet, oldie Hawks are almost dead and there is no alternative. rapiers and stingers are out of this equation.

comparing israeli missiles with ours no make sense for this case. Israel has many AD missiles including domestic and US origin. They have constanly upgraded their capabilities.

BTW i have never believe that described features of Hisar family by SSB. Hisar O is almost equal size of Barak8, so we can expect similar performance, i know they have better than us at composite fuel,electronic and some E/O but the difference not too much. lets put some extra weight on our missile, if barak8 can go 80km so IMO Hisar O exceeds 70 km. Turkey is making that missiles mainly for its needs, exporting is not primary/main goal. in order not to irritate others SSB is playing humble. Israel export more than what her needs, so they gave max specs at best conditions.

anyway i am only worried about current AD situation of Turkey and its urgent needs.

 

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comparing israeli missiles with ours no make sense for this case. Israel has many AD missiles including domestic and US origin. They have constanly upgraded their capabilities.

It actually makes sense to introduce the state of art capability of Turkish missile program that is targeting the similar level on medium altitude missile system. They have advanced infrastructure and foreign help on many defensive systems. On the other hand, Hisar family will contain multiple missile system to be served for multiple forces. Difficulty of developing those systems under family integrity principle deserve such delays as long as we have succeeded to prove their capabilities on field.

 

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but we dont have air coverege yet, oldie Hawks are almost dead and there is no alternative. rapiers and stingers are out of this equation.

comparing israeli missiles with ours no make sense for this case. Israel has many AD missiles including domestic and US origin. They have constanly upgraded their capabilities.

BTW i have never believe that described features of Hisar family by SSB. Hisar O is almost equal size of Barak8, so we can expect similar performance, i know they have better than us at composite fuel,electronic and some E/O but the difference not too much. lets put some extra weight on our missile, if barak8 can go 80km so IMO Hisar O exceeds 70 km. Turkey is making that missiles mainly for its needs, exporting is not primary/main goal. in order not to irritate others SSB is playing humble. Israel export more than what her needs, so they gave max specs at best conditions.

anyway i am only worried about current AD situation of Turkey and its urgent needs.

HISAR-A and HISAR-O both utilise Dual-Pulse rocket engines (which allows missile to glide unpowered before reigniting second pulse, this extends range and allows missile to be undetected to optical missile warning receivers allowing missile to reach no-escape radius), range you see on the spec sheet that Roketsan and Aselsan publishes is not accurate and we'll never fully know true range.

Remember when Aselsan showcased it's first radar 'Kalkan' with published range of 45km, later on we saw on radar operating console that it in fact had a range of 85km. Now, they've updated their website and we know it's around 100km.
https://www.aselsan.com.tr/en-us/ca...s/air-defense-radars/kalkan-air-defence-radar

 

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but we dont have air coverege yet, oldie Hawks are almost dead and there is no alternative. rapiers and stingers are out of this equation.

comparing israeli missiles with ours no make sense for this case. Israel has many AD missiles including domestic and US origin. They have constanly upgraded their capabilities.

BTW i have never believe that described features of Hisar family by SSB. Hisar O is almost equal size of Barak8, so we can expect similar performance, i know they have better than us at composite fuel,electronic and some E/O but the difference not too much. lets put some extra weight on our missile, if barak8 can go 80km so IMO Hisar O exceeds 70 km. Turkey is making that missiles mainly for its needs, exporting is not primary/main goal. in order not to irritate others SSB is playing humble. Israel export more than what her needs, so they gave max specs at best conditions.

anyway i am only worried about current AD situation of Turkey and its urgent needs.

Range is not guarantee actually, ther are several zones for kill zone. But that not the isseu, Air defence missiles are really difficult to make, look Germans are still making ther MEADS. Started in 2005 and still not ready, you should be happy that Turkish companies made the system with in 10 years ready.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Extended_Air_Defense_System