Turkey's Offensive In Syria: The US Falls Into A Trap Of Its Own Making

[WarDaddy97]

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Wardaddy, your most "high tech" stuff cant even enter the simplest SAM zone of "old hardware" Russia, let alone S400 or the upcomming S500. You had Turkey as ally agains Russia. Now you have to do it with YPG that wheres shitsacks =D

Oh really? Then explain me how we bypassed Iraqi and Serbian sams. They were old and yet breached 20 years ago.
S400 absolutely untested. Too much chest pumping but nothing concrete.
We’ll do fine with ypg. Just look what they control in Syria and how much territory under you. Don’t blame ypg, blame Erdogan

For real? haha

I believe only extremely poor uncultured people take these things with them.

I don't even use hotel shampoo even if it's a luxury hotel, got my own shampoo not good to use what you don't know your hair might fall off.



Yes USA siding with the YPG instead of Nato's 2nd biggest military Turkey who also proved it's a reliable ally in Korea and Afghanistan just to name 2 places must be the most retarded thing in military history EVER.

It's just so stupid for US to ditch Turkey for YPG, I can't help but think it might be a confusion tactic by the US. It's too stupid even for monkeys.

Stop.
No one ditched Turks. Obama administration offered Turks to engage more aggressively against isis. With coalition air support. Erdogan had to commit his troops. He refused, instead offering fsa. Fsa are completely unreliable. You are learning that in afrin. That’s why coalition went with ypg.
The offer was in 2014 if I remember correctly

 

[TurkeyForever]

Stop.
No one ditched Turks. Obama administration offered Turks to engage more aggressively against isis. With coalition air support. Erdogan had to commit his troops. He refused, instead offering fsa. Fsa are completely unreliable. You are learning that in afrin. That’s why coalition went with ypg.
The offer was in 2014 if I remember correctly[/QUOTE]

Turkey wanted a no fly zone and was willing to enforce it using it's own military, which the US didn't agree to. If you had agreed to the no fly zone everything would be different now, 100% peace in northern Syria.

From the speeches Erdogan is giving lately he always mentions that supporting YPG was Obama's doing and that Trump continues the same policy. From the sounds of it this mess seems to be Obama's doing and Trump doesn't have his own policy for Syria.

 

[Melkor]

Turkey wanted a no fly zone and was willing to enforce it using it's own military, which the US didn't agree to. If you had agreed to the no fly zone everything would be different now, 100% peace in northern Syria.

From the speeches Erdogan is giving lately he always mentions that supporting YPG was Obama's doing and that Trump continues the same policy. From the sounds of it this mess seems to be Obama's doing and Trump doesn't have his own policy for Syria.

Washington doesn’t want to (sincerely) work with an anti-Israel Erdogan and with a Turkey that they (now) have less control of. Also, the pentagon still holds a grudge that we didn’t allow them to use Turkey to invade Iraq - the bill failing to pass under AKP gov.

 

[LegionnairE]

how can you get anything done with a man like kushner running around pulling strings.

I have zero hope of coming to an understanding with Washington, all we can do is hit manbij and deter them away.

 

[TurkeyForever]

Washington doesn’t want to (sincerely) work with an anti-Israel Erdogan and with a Turkey that they (now) have less control of. Also, the pentagon still holds a grudge that we didn’t allow them to use Turkey to invade Iraq - the bill failing to pass under AKP gov.

That bill to not let USA use Turkish land to invade Iraq was the right choice, I've spoken to some french people and they admire Turkey for standing up to USA and not letting them use our land to attack Iraq.

USA is a bully, how would they feel if we asked them to use USA land to attack Canada their long time friend.

 

[WarDaddy97]

Stop.
No one ditched Turks. Obama administration offered Turks to engage more aggressively against isis. With coalition air support. Erdogan had to commit his troops. He refused, instead offering fsa. Fsa are completely unreliable. You are learning that in afrin. That’s why coalition went with ypg.
The offer was in 2014 if I remember correctly

Turkey wanted a no fly zone and was willing to enforce it using it's own military, which the US didn't agree to. If you had agreed to the no fly zone everything would be different now, 100% peace in northern Syria.

From the speeches Erdogan is giving lately he always mentions that supporting YPG was Obama's doing and that Trump continues the same policy. From the sounds of it this mess seems to be Obama's doing and Trump doesn't have his own policy for Syria.[/QUOTE]
To fight Isis you don’t need no-fly zone. You need well trained infantry. Fsa is not infantry. This is your area influence. You don’t want to handle it? Ok, no problem, ypg will handle it and march toward Iraqi border.
And in 2018 you should refrain from listening Erdogan. What he says is irrelevant

how can you get anything done with a man like kushner running around pulling strings.

I have zero hope of coming to an understanding with Washington, all we can do is hit manbij and deter them away.

Kushner might be pulling only one string-ivankas bra. He is nobody. Especially when it comes to Syria. Mattis and McMaster run the show

 

[Melkor]

That bill to not let USA use Turkish land to invade Iraq was the right choice, I've spoken to some french people and they admire Turkey for standing up to USA and not letting them use our land to attack Iraq.

USA is a bully, how would they feel if we asked them to use USA land to attack Canada their long time friend.

I agree. But I’ll say this regarding your French friends - kedi ve kopegin sozu bir. Europe put a lot of pressure on us not to follow the American path, but I believe that it was more to do with sabotaging/straining Turko-US relationship than them giving a fcvk about Iraq.

 

[Timur]

That’s why coalition went with ypg

no becasue YPG is against turkey thats why they go with them - this kurdistan thing is nothing new the maps exists for decades ..

fsa would be turkey friendly thats the biggest reason they didn't go with them.. but we did a fatal big mistake!

we should have give those fighter families shelter and real hope for the freed zones and we should have trained them years ago like real soildiers and real taktics.. like special units.. that would be the second best for us.. specially the turkmen ppl should be treated like that from the first beginning of the war.. 5000 turkmen with special forces training would be very good to have.. now 7 years passed we would have trained many syrian soildiers - but no one did it because turkmens are poor..

we could have buyed or azerbaycan could have buyed from ex soviet states 10.000 manpads and anti tank waepons wich we buy back and could provide to our trained fighters.. give them night vision / ir optics and so on they would be strong enough to encouter PKK

USA and the EU is a clear enemy towards turkey in this case.. we have to clean ypgpkk in syria and iraq .. and that barzanistan is no good for us we should strongly try to assist Iraq even if its a shia iraq to get that land back..

we also have to start cleaning operations outside turkey.. car accidents happen, ppl can poisen themselves accidents happen..

this we do something when its almost late attitude brings us nothing you cant wait for USA to do something for us..

 

[LegionnairE]

Kushner might be pulling only one string-ivankas bra. He is nobody. Especially when it comes to Syria. Mattis and McMaster run the show

He got bannon fired and then he went to Saudi Arabia unscheduled just before the imprisonment of the princes. He gets ivanka to go cry to her daddy to make sure kike interests are protected.

Israel wants a kurdistan which they can openly arm to fight their proxy wars. That's why the US won't listen to Turkey. All we can do is to make a bing noise maybe if a bunch of american soldiers die fighting for kurds american public may start to pay attention to wtf their government is doing in the middle east.

 

[Killuminati]

Oh really? Then explain me how we bypassed Iraqi and Serbian sams. They were old and yet breached 20 years ago.
S400 absolutely untested. Too much chest pumping but nothing concrete.
We’ll do fine with ypg. Just look what they control in Syria and how much territory under you. Don’t blame ypg, blame Erdogan


Stop.
No one ditched Turks. Obama administration offered Turks to engage more aggressively against isis. With coalition air support. Erdogan had to commit his troops. He refused, instead offering fsa. Fsa are completely unreliable. You are learning that in afrin. That’s why coalition went with ypg.
The offer was in 2014 if I remember correctly

Dude, 1 F-16 and 1 Harrier shot down in Bosnia. Another F-16 was shot down in Yugoslavia. Also a f117 nighthawk ‘’stealth’’ was shotdown by russian SAM. During 2nd golfwar USAF lost a F-18. They claim it was friendly fire but we all know that it was downed by a Russian SAM. Another A-10 was shot down. KSA lost plenty of US made jet fighters agains simple AA systems of Houti. Israel denied that the new 5th gen fighter of US the F-35 was hit by a rusty S-200. Its normal that they denying it. This week a Israeli F-16 was downed by Syria. Also a bird strike?

So in general, the old Russian SAM systems have always caused a threat. The F-35 is already a fiasco. Where do you rely on now? On your F-22 who has started become metal tired? The US has attacked Iraq because it supposedly had mass destruction weapons but does not dare to attack Iran, which has nuclear power plants and has the capability of making nuclear weapons. Why are you concerned about the purchase of S400 by Turkey if the S400 is an untested trash system?

You are talking about alliance. Alliance means that you respect each other's interests and do not conflict. What interests does the US have in northern syria? Turkey is stuck to Syrian border. Is it not logical that Turkey has more right to defend its interests than a country that is 10,000 km away?

Everyone thought that with the arrival of Trump, the US would have a softer foreign policy. Less wars and more focus on domestic affairs. But what happend? US lost grip everywhere on the world... They can no longer handle the shock. That is why they now behave like rabid dogs and lower themselves to the level of terrorist organizations. Their idiotic politics even discredited NATO. The whole world makes fun about it.

But we all know why the US is supporting YPG there. It is not because of the interests of the American people but because of the interests of zionist Israel. US is governed by zionist jews. The siutation shows that there is no other explanation for this.

 

[WarDaddy97]

He got bannon fired and then he went to Saudi Arabia unscheduled just before the imprisonment of the princes. He gets ivanka to go cry to her daddy to make sure kike interests are protected.

Israel wants a kurdistan which they can openly arm to fight their proxy wars. That's why the US won't listen to Turkey. All we can do is to make a bing noise maybe if a bunch of american soldiers die fighting for kurds american public may start to pay attention to wtf their government is doing in the middle east.

Bannon got fired for different reasons. It was John Kelly’s work. Steve is nationalist administration needs to get in line with Party values. His nationalistic rhetoric caused lots of friction everyone was gunning after him.
Looking what *** whooping we delivered to Russians beware what you wish for. And I know Turks won’t do anything aggressive in manbij.

 

[LegionnairE]

Bannon got fired for different reasons. It was John Kelly’s work. Steve is nationalist administration needs to get in line with Party values. His nationalistic rhetoric caused lots of friction everyone was gunning after him.
Looking what *** whooping we delivered to Russians beware what you wish for. And I know Turks won’t do anything aggressive in manbij.

OMG what an *** whooping. The whole Russian empire is crumbling.

Having YPG on the other side of the border running around freely is worse than an exchange of artillery fire and missiles. Bring it on.

ps. we have much more and heavier artillery in place there's a good chance your losses will be heavier.

 

[WarDaddy97]

Dude, 1 F-16 and 1 Harrier shot down in Bosnia. Another F-16 was shot down in Yugoslavia. Also a f117 nighthawk ‘’stealth’’ was shotdown by russian SAM. During 2nd golfwar USAF lost a F-18. They claim it was friendly fire but we all know that it was downed by a Russian SAM. Another A-10 was shot down. KSA lost plenty of US made jet fighters agains simple AA systems of Houti. Israel denied that the new 5th gen fighter of US the F-35 was hit by a rusty S-200. Its normal that they denying it. This week a Israeli F-16 was downed by Syria. Also a bird strike?

So in general, the old Russian SAM systems have always caused a threat. The F-35 is already a fiasco. Where do you rely on now? On your F-22 who has started become metal tired? The US has attacked Iraq because it supposedly had mass destruction weapons but does not dare to attack Iran, which has nuclear power plants and has the capability of making nuclear weapons. Why are you concerned about the purchase of S400 by Turkey if the S400 is an untested trash system?

You are talking about alliance. Alliance means that you respect each other's interests and do not conflict. What interests does the US have in northern syria? Turkey is stuck to Syrian border. Is it not logical that Turkey has more right to defend its interests than a country that is 10,000 km away?

Everyone thought that with the arrival of Trump, the US would have a softer foreign policy. Less wars and more focus on domestic affairs. But what happend? US lost grip everywhere on the world... They can no longer handle the shock. That is why they now behave like rabid dogs and lower themselves to the level of terrorist organizations. Their idiotic politics even discredited NATO. The whole world makes fun about it.

But we all know why the US is supporting YPG there. It is not because of the interests of the American people but because of the interests of zionist Israel. US is governed by zionist jews. The siutation shows that there is no other explanation for this.

And?
Iraq, Serbia were smacked upside down. That’s the most important thing. Losing hardware means shit.
Russians lost 2 Mig fighter jets by failing to land on aircraft carrier. That’s laughable and pathetic. Losing in combat is normal. You lost a modern heli yesterday. I don’t make big deal about unlike some of your hysterical countrymen
US lost grip everywhere around the world? What world are living? Have you seen him in Davos? Every CEO of major firms was dying to kiss his ring. In Beijing they rolled a red carpet in front him. In Saudi Arabia he walked away with 300 billion dollar deal.
Trump problems are on domestic level. Foreign policy might have a correction-in some places aggressive in others soft. No changes in Syria. Deal with it. We are there for a long haul. And if your leadership wants to do something about then they either kiss the ring or try to invade manbij. So far only talk. And talk is CHEAP.
Because S400 can not be integrated with nato system. It’s a coding issue. If you do deploy S400 then you won’t get F35. You think you going to blackmail us with some untested russian toy? Shiiit.

OMG what an *** whooping. The whole Russian empire is crumbling.

Having YPG on the other side of the border running around freely is worse than an exchange of artillery fire and missiles. Bring it on.

ps. we have much more and heavier artillery in place there's a good chance your losses will be heavier.

I can give 2 fucks about afrin idiots. Those commies fire Iranian made Touphan and looks like Iranians were behind shooting down your helicopter. And Russians had presence there after ES. You could shit on them genicide them for all I care.
Ok, ok much more heavy artillery. Dig deeper already. Entire world is watching and dumbstruck by your performance.

 

[LegionnairE]

I can give 2 fucks about afrin idiots. Those commies fire Iranian made Touphan and looks like Iranians were behind shooting down your helicopter. And Russians had presence there after ES. You could shit on them genicide them for all I care.
Ok, ok much more heavy artillery. Dig deeper already. Entire world is watching and dumbstruck by your performance.

I know, I'm talking about MAKING you care.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Bannon got fired for different reasons. It was John Kelly’s work. Steve is nationalist administration needs to get in line with Party values. His nationalistic rhetoric caused lots of friction everyone was gunning after him.
Looking what *** whooping we delivered to Russians beware what you wish for. And I know Turks won’t do anything aggressive in manbij.

lol No worries, I don't think there will be any direct clashes between the U.S and Turkey. forget what a few fanboys here are claiming. Erdogan is not stupid, he is still a smart, pragmatic and shrewd leader.
Same with even a bigger power like Russia, there will be no real direct confrontation/war between Russia and the U.S. There might be some indirect clashes between each others proxies ad even at times some targeted attacks by one power on the other's proxy(which might result in the death of some embedded foreign power forces among them, like it happened with Russia by coalition forces recently). However that's as far as it will go. Both sides will not face each other. stakes are too high and it will only complicate things even further.