Turkey's Offensive In Syria: The US Falls Into A Trap Of Its Own Making

[LegionnairE]

i will give you a little hint to analyze RUAF. Look at the rank and age of their dead pilots. Helis and fixed wing. Mostly from major and up.
The one you shutdown had almost 20 years in service. The heli pilot shutdown by Isis served since early 90s. What does that tell you? They deployed their pilots to Syria and lack junior ranks. That’s a bad sign.
Besides since soviet times Russians always had shitty airforce

I will give you a hint on TURAF, look at how many pilots resigned since the beginning of the Ergenekon case

Probably more than enough to operate the Pakistani air force

Their planes are flown by their best pilots, our best pilots are working at Lufthansa

 

[ptldM3]

Let me enlighten you since you clearly have no idea about russian armed forces. I guarantee you half of those 700 billion for the past 8-10 years went to putin cronies and other mega projects.

I don't need enlightenment from someone who thought Turkey was equal to Russia militarily, it domonstrated your ignorance. If you want corruption look what happened with the F-35 program and the fake Russia dossier the democrats created, or the fact that the democrats cheated Bernie Sanders or how Clinton cheated in debates or made hundreds of millions from her fake foundation.

The strategic bombers that you are so worried about are obsolete and only effective for propaganda videos.

Those "obsolete" strategic bombers fly longer and faster then US bombers. They are also designed to carry cruise missiles that can be fired from thousands of km away while most US bombers have to fly directly over their targets to drop bombs.

Just like kalibr missiles. There are very few of them in stockpiles.

Provide a source for that. Russia has launched dozens in Syria. Kalibrs are installed on most modern Russian ships and submarines which Russian has built dozens in the past 10 years.

No need to worry about Admiral Kuznetsov air craft carrier. Entire world witnessed its performance. It destroyed more russian planes than Isis

That carrier was supposed to go for a full overhaul but it was decided to be pushed for deployment first. If I were you I would worry more about the inability of the US navy to navigate ships and avoid collisions than the Kuznetsov. More US personal have died due to ship collisions then ISIS

Submarines-yes they built 3-4 new ones in severodvinsk. But their budget is depleting, precision weapons and navy cost lots of money they won afford much. Use your logic.
Their propaganda machines (red star,Sputnik Ross-fort, southfront)are on full force making crazy videos and obviously some Turks get impressed and draw wrong conclusion.

Russia has 6 Yasin submarines under construction and dozens of corrvetts, frigates and other ships are also under construction.


Russia also has one of the biggest military budgets in the world, they can afford plenty of whatever they want.


Look at this "Russian propaganda" its all fake folks, according to our American friend. Meanwhile mainstream US media is constantly putting out fake news about Trump and Syrian everyday.

As far the land forces concerned, individual training, quality etc only crack units have the best equipment. Same thing is in turkey. Professionals in GRU, airborne and naval infantry brigades have the best toys but the rest of the army same as in the past.

You're making a fool out of yourselfs, the basic Russian soldier is equipped with the Ratnik, which includes new uniform, ballistic helmet, chest rig and more.



Tanks-Armata project is done.


Literally you just made that up. The T-15 and T-14 are in state trials. They will be operational in a few years, just because Russia decided to upgrade T-90s and T-80s doesn't mean anything other then the fact that they want more capable tanks. Russia doesn't have plans to phase out T-90s or T-80s for a long time.

Everything you said is correct except that part.

Russian navy is, and always have been a joke. And it's deteriorating too, you tried to buy Mistrals from France.

Black sea fleet is a junkyard, if Turkey owned that heap of junk they would all become razor blades. Except for the cruiser.

Actually Russian has a large amount of modern submarines, corvettes and frigates in service, dozens more are layyed down and being built. The Yasen and Borei nuclear submarines are also considered some of the quietest and most capable submarines in the world while having the ability to have unlimited range and the ability to fire ballistic tipped or conventional missile.

The Kalibr cruise missiles also give Russian vessels a big advantage over most competitors.

 

[LegionnairE]

Those "obsolete" strategic bombers fly longer and faster then US bombers. They are also designed to carry cruise missiles that can be fired from thousands of km away while most US bombers have to fly directly over their targets to drop bombs.

that's not true according to what I know, they are using B52s almost exclusively for cruise missiles.

Actually Russian has a large amount of modern submarines, corvettes and frigates in service, dozens more are layyed down and being built. The Yasen and Borei nuclear submarines are also considered some of the quietest and most capable submarines in the world while having the ability to have unlimited range and the ability to fire ballistic tipped or conventional missile.

The Kalibr cruise missiles also give Russian vessels a big advantage over most competitors.

Yeah, I've heard modern Kilos are pretty good, I didn't read much about them though. I remember Typhoon was... words fail to describe that thing. It was ridiculous. I read a report about a US military assessment of it which said a single heavy torpedo wouldn't be enough to sink it. But who cares you'd just fire a salvo, score multiple hits and kill it.

In any case you have an insanely long coastline and what you have right now isn't enough to protect it. The decision to focus on smaller ships like corvettes is a sound one.

What's special about Kalibr?

 

[WarDaddy97]

I don't need enlightenment from someone who thought Turkey was equal to Russia militarily, it domonstrated your ignorance. If you want corruption look what happened with the F-35 program and the fake Russia dossier the democrats created, or the fact that the democrats cheated Bernie Sanders or how Clinton cheated in debates or made hundreds of millions from her fake foundation.









Those "obsolete" strategic bombers fly longer and faster then US bombers. They are also designed to carry cruise missiles that can be fired from thousands of km away while most US bombers have to fly directly over their targets to drop bombs.








Provide a source for that. Russia has launched dozens in Syria. Kalibrs are installed on most modern Russian ships and submarines which Russian has built dozens in the past 10 years.









That carrier was supposed to go for a full overhaul but it was decided to be pushed for deployment first. If I were you I would worry more about the inability of the US navy to navigate ships and avoid collisions than the Kuznetsov. More US personal have died due to ship collisions then ISIS










Russia has 6 Yasin submarines under construction and dozens of corrvetts, frigates and other ships are also under construction.


Russia also has one of the biggest military budgets in the world, they can afford plenty of whatever they want.


Look at this "Russian propaganda" its all fake folks, according to our American friend. Meanwhile mainstream US media is constantly putting out fake news about Trump and Syrian everyday.


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You're making a fool out of yourselfs, the basic Russian soldier is equipped with the Ratnik, which includes new uniform, ballistic helmet, chest rig and more.



Tanks-Armata project is done.


Literally you just made that up. The T-15 and T-14 are in state trials. They will be operational in a few years, just because Russia decided to upgrade T-90s and T-80s doesn't mean anything other then the fact that they want more capable tanks. Russia doesn't have plans to phase out T-90s or T-80s for a long time.




Actually Russian has a large amount of modern submarines, corvettes and frigates in service, dozens more are layyed down and being built. The Yasen and Borei nuclear submarines are also considered some of the quietest and most capable submarines in the world while having the ability to have unlimited range and the ability to fire ballistic tipped or conventional missile.

The Kalibr cruise missiles also give Russian vessels a big advantage over most competitors.


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You don’t impress with shit pictures about your mighty armed forces. I speak Russian traveled across Russia and visit that pathetic country more than anyone on this forum.
Why don’t you show me pictures of admiral Kuznetsov and migs that it sank?
Ratnik is for profies only they won’t let conscripts have expensive gear nor train 18 y/o properly.
Armata is done and you know it better than me.
Strategic bombers is another joke of the century after Kuzya. It takes 3 hours to roll it on the runway. Might be good to pump your chest and smoke a camels *** in abukamal and that’s where it all ends.
Yeah F35 had and has problems but we can afford and sale going thru the roof. Where is your crappy PAK FA? 15 years developing and so far one flight.
Did you tell your Turkish friends what excuses russian MOD came up with when tomahawks slammed into shayrat. The earth is crooked they said. Lol. Dumbfucks. We gave you 2 hour warning and S400 nor pantsir managed to shoot not even one.
And yes we issues with trump dnc rnc and all that crap. But issues in your mighty Russia land of bears and balalaika are on biblical proportions. And don’t get me wrong I want put-in to rule as long as God will allow him because no one bends over and gangbangs that country more than him and homies from kooperativ Ozero.

I will give you a hint on TURAF, look at how many pilots resigned since the beginning of the Ergenekon case

Probably more than enough to operate the Pakistani air force

Their planes are flown by their best pilots, our best pilots are working at Lufthansa

That’s because your leader is an idiot. Sheer size of RUAF means shit. Get it together. Historically their airforce was weak hence, they invested in air defense and ew. EW is what you referred as anti-radiation lol.

 

[Timur]

Buddy, are you aware that we don't have nukes ? Passed it, even if Russia didn't had Nukes, we can't win a 1 on 1 war against Russia.

right but its nonsense for russia even if we had borders to go into war with us because it would really hurt and in the end no one would gain anything except destruction..

I am aware there are nukes in incirlic that belong to us

they dont belong to us.. if US want them we will give them back and there are no "ifs" and "buts" and maybe or whatever.. if they want it they will get it or we will face REAL consequenses!!!

as long as you dont have nuclear plant and you dont build your own bomb you can have wet dreams about it..

so you really think us provides you with nukes and F16 to carry it?????? (that not actually a question no need to answer it)

dont act as if russia is nothing be realistic their air force and land force are more powerful than ours.. but it would be very very destructive for them to go to war with turkey..

 

[WarDaddy97]

By the way, it took russian MOD 8 days to acknowledge the death of general Asapov on the banks of Euphrates river. General came from paratroops, creme de la creme. His family got tired of it and published his info on social media. To this day they haven’t acknowledged the death of colonels that were part of his HQ(5 total kia)
Look how Turks bury their dead. On state level. Russians bury their own like stray dogs. And forget about drunks from Wagner.

 

[ptldM3]

You don’t impress with shit pictures about your mighty armed forces. I speak Russian traveled across Russia and visit that pathetic country more than anyone on this forum.

I doubt you ever got out of your trailer.

You speak Russian? Oh chto tvoyo emyea? What did I just say?

Aren't you that Idiot that got banned that claimed to have Ukrainian ancestry?

Why don’t you show me pictures of admiral Kuznetsov and migs that it sank?

Show me those pictures of those mighty US ships that keep colliding.

Ratnik is for profies only they won’t let conscripts have expensive gear nor train 18 y/o properly.

Yet somehow these conscripts are wearing the ratnik uniform, which means your full of shit.

Armata is done and you know it better than me.

Post a source. Put your money were your mouth is, if you would post a source because you are literally making things up. I can feel your jealousy though.

Strategic bombers is another joke of the century after Kuzya. It takes 3 hours to roll it on the runway. Might be good to pump your chest and smoke a camels *** in abukamal and that’s where it all ends.

You're making a totall idiot out of yourself. You dug yourself into a hole as it is. Russian strategic bombers can strike targets with precision from thousands of km away while having range and speed that most other bombers cannot match. They can put down a lot of hurt. You calling them a "joke" just means you have no logic or argument.

Yeah F35 had and has problems but we can afford and sale going thru the roof.

You can afford to be scammed.

Where is your crappy PAK FA? 15 years developing and so far one flight.

It's first flight was in 2009. Use your fingers to count how much that is or ask your mommy to help you figure it out.

Did you tell your Turkish friends what excuses russian MOD came up with when tomahawks slammed into shayrat. The earth is crooked they said. Lol. Dumbfucks. We gave you 2 hour warning and S400 nor pantsir managed to shoot not even one.

The S-400 and Pantsir never attempted to shoot anything down. The Russian ministry of defense laughed at the attack, they said it didn't do shit and many of the cruise missiles never even hit their targets.



Just the other day the Syrians used a crusty 50 year old S-200 to shoot down an Israeli F-16. Slow cruise missile are not a problem, supersonic jets with hammers are yet even that got downed. Hundreds of US aircraft were destroyed due to Soviet air defenses in Vietnam--facts are hard to swallow.

That’s because your leader is an idiot. Sheer size of RUAF means shit. Get it together. Historically their airforce was weak hence, they invested in air defense and ew. EW is what you referred as anti-radiation lol.

Russian Air Force shot down dozens of US aircraft in the Korean War, and dozens more that violated Soviet airspace. Many US pilots died after violating Soviet airspace and others like Garry Powers were captured and paraded as POWs.



One Russian ace shot down about 20 US aircraft in Korea.


http://acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.html

 

[zzzz]

You don’t impress with shit pictures about your mighty armed forces. I speak Russian traveled across Russia and visit that pathetic country more than anyone on this forum.
Why don’t you show me pictures of admiral Kuznetsov and migs that it sank?
Ratnik is for profies only they won’t let conscripts have expensive gear nor train 18 y/o properly.
Armata is done and you know it better than me.
Strategic bombers is another joke of the century after Kuzya. It takes 3 hours to roll it on the runway. Might be good to pump your chest and smoke a camels *** in abukamal and that’s where it all ends.
Yeah F35 had and has problems but we can afford and sale going thru the roof. Where is your crappy PAK FA? 15 years developing and so far one flight.
Did you tell your Turkish friends what excuses russian MOD came up with when tomahawks slammed into shayrat. The earth is crooked they said. Lol. Dumbfucks. We gave you 2 hour warning and S400 nor pantsir managed to shoot not even one.
And yes we issues with trump dnc rnc and all that crap. But issues in your mighty Russia land of bears and balalaika are on biblical proportions. And don’t get me wrong I want put-in to rule as long as God will allow him because no one bends over and gangbangs that country more than him and homies from kooperativ Ozero.


That’s because your leader is an idiot. Sheer size of RUAF means shit. Get it together. Historically their airforce was weak hence, they invested in air defense and ew. EW is what you referred as anti-radiation lol.

Moron, you are boring. Look its defense forum and you got into wrong place. The nonsense you are spouting about military matters is laughable. You are just stupid and butthurt Soviet-Jewish loser immigrated to US to become wannabe American. Your lack of money and miserable life has even forced you to come back to Russia in an attempt to find some job here. You thought you would become the king of the world but you sank even lower third rate wannabe American. I understand what kind of pain recent events give you. I understand your butthurt about superior Russian technology like S-400 and Armata and inferiority of obsolete American junk. But please its a wrong forum to spam it with your gibberish. Something like censor.net.ua would be appropriate place for you and you will find a lot of friends there.

 

[WarDaddy97]

I doubt you ever got out of your trailer.

You speak Russian? Oh chto tvoyo emyea? What did I just say?

Aren't you that Idiot that got banned that claimed to have Ukrainian ancestry?







Show me those pictures of those mighty US ships that keep colliding.







Yet somehow these conscripts are wearing the ratnik uniform, which means your full of shit.

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Post a source. Put your money were your mouth is, if you would post a source because you are literally making things up. I can feel your jealousy though.








You're making a totall idiot out of yourself. You dug yourself into a hole as it is. Russian strategic bombers can strike targets with precision from thousands of km away while having range and speed that most other bombers cannot match. They can put down a lot of hurt. You calling them a "joke" just means you have no logic or argument.







You can afford to be scammed.








It's first flight was in 2009. Use your fingers to count how much that is or ask your mommy to help you figure it out.






The S-400 and Pantsir never attempted to shoot anything down. The Russian ministry of defense laughed at the attack, they said it didn't do shit and many of the cruise missiles never even hit their targets.



Just the other day the Syrians used a crusty 50 year old S-200 to shoot down an Israeli F-16. Slow cruise missile are not a problem, supersonic jets with hammers are yet even that got downed. Hundreds of US aircraft were destroyed due to Soviet air defenses in Vietnam--facts are hard to swallow.







Russian Air Force shot down dozens of US aircraft in the Korean War, and dozens more that violated Soviet airspace. Many US pilots died after violating Soviet airspace and others like Garry Powers were captured and paraded as POWs.



One Russian ace shot down about 20 US aircraft in Korea.


http://acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.html

A ne poyti bi tebe v jopu.
How do you like my russian? Mogu eshe dobavit, ebanko
Like I said, save your propaganda for other gullible users who you brainwashed by showing silly videos. As far the past engagements we shot down boatload of Russian migs and our Israeli partners even destroyed entire soviet air wing. Caused massive butthurt that even chief of staff arrived to Egypt. Air defense and radar installations manned by soviet officers were burnt by Israelis for fun.
This is what russian conscript looks like

He tried to cook some food and burnt entire btr ( in the background) is he wearing Ratnik? Of course not. And thats my friends what real rossiyskaya armiya looks like

Moron, you are boring. Look its defense forum and you got into wrong place. The nonsense you are spouting about military matters is laughable. You are just stupid and butthurt Soviet-Jewish loser immigrated to US to become wannabe American. Your lack of money and miserable life has even forced you to come back to Russia in an attempt to find some job here. You thought you would become the king of the world but you sank even lower third rate wannabe American. I understand what kind of pain recent events give you. I understand your butthurt about superior Russian technology like S-400 and Armata and inferiority of obsolete American junk. But please its a wrong forum to spam it with your gibberish. Something like censor.net.ua would be appropriate place for you and you will find a lot of friends there.

Lol. As soon as russki shitheads realize their bullshit won’t fly they reverse to insults and calling me a Jew or Ukrainian or even better traitor russian. Relax paranoid, there are Americans who know your country better than you.
Get some vodka, play balalaika. You are such primitive cowards that even afraid to talk back to kadyrov on his Instagram. Russia has only one technology-how to steal and transfer stolen cash to offshore bank accounts. That’s what smart Russians Jews. do. Dummies like you talk about patriotism and “superior technology” lol.

 

[TurkeyForever]

Btw, ZZZZ let me ask you something. Why is it that russian tourist act like pigs in Antalya. Not just young Russians but also the ones with their families. Drunk, obnoxious, fighting cursing. They don’t act like that in my hometown Chicago
Explain me this part of mysterious Russian soul

I live in the area, I see Russian girls almost daily in coffee shops here.

Also many Russian girls work here in real estate and other jobs, they seem responsible and good people.

Then there are the tourists of which many are good but you have very poor tourists that buy all inclusive dirt cheap and they have no money to spend like other tourists.

The worst I heard was 5 Russian friends buying a durum and sharing it, each taking a bite of it. This is durum:

Also seems to be a big problem with Russians stealing towels and even soaps and shampoos from hotels on their way home.

The most retarded thing I've heard is of a young girl from Denmark, she had stolen the flat tv from her hotel room and put it in her bag when leaving. She got away with it.

 

[-------]

I live in the area, I see Russian girls almost daily in coffee shops here.

Also many Russian girls work here in real estate and other jobs, they seem responsible and good people.

Then there are the tourists of which many are good but you have very poor tourists that buy all inclusive dirt cheap and they have no money to spend like other tourists.

The worst I heard was 5 Russian friends buying a durum and sharing it, each taking a bite of it. This is durum:

Also seems to be a big problem with Russians stealing towels and even soaps and shampoos from hotels on their way home.

The most retarded thing I've heard is of a young girl from Denmark, she had stolen the flat tv from her hotel room and put it in her bag when leaving. She got away with it.

Dude, whenever I go to an Hotel I take the Soap and Shampoo.. What they gonna do re-use a used shampoo bottle? Towels, nah!

 

[Killuminati]

Wardaddy, your most "high tech" stuff cant even enter the simplest SAM zone of "old hardware" Russia, let alone S400 or the upcomming S500. You had Turkey as ally agains Russia. Now you have to do it with YPG that wheres shitsacks =D

 

[TurkeyForever]

Dude, whenever I go to an Hotel I take the Soap and Shampoo.. What they gonna do re-use a used shampoo bottle? Towels, nah!

For real? haha

I believe only extremely poor uncultured people take these things with them.

I don't even use hotel shampoo even if it's a luxury hotel, got my own shampoo not good to use what you don't know your hair might fall off.

Wardaddy, your most "high tech" stuff cant even enter the simplest SAM zone of "old hardware" Russia, let alone S400 or the upcomming S500. You had Turkey as ally agains Russia. Now you have to do it with YPG that wheres shitsacks =D

Yes USA siding with the YPG instead of Nato's 2nd biggest military Turkey who also proved it's a reliable ally in Korea and Afghanistan just to name 2 places must be the most retarded thing in military history EVER.

It's just so stupid for US to ditch Turkey for YPG, I can't help but think it might be a confusion tactic by the US. It's too stupid even for monkeys.

 

[-------]

For real? haha

I believe only extremely poor uncultured people take these things with them.

I don't even use hotel shampoo even if it's a luxury hotel, got my own shampoo not good to use what you don't know your hair might fall off.

Yeah man! Do you know how many hotel slippers I have brand new in their packs, I pull'em out and give it to my guests to wear when they visit... lol

Hotel chain I use always have 'Aussie' shampoo, that's what I normally use. What's your shampoo brand ?

 

[LegionnairE]

That’s because your leader is an idiot. Sheer size of RUAF means shit. Get it together. Historically their airforce was weak hence, they invested in air defense and ew. EW is what you referred as anti-radiation lol.

ew is electronic warfare as a general term, an anti radiation weapon is an anti radiation weapon.

Yeah, that's due to our idiot leader. We could ruin the Russians' day 10 years ago. The situation is not the same now. They would throw their numbers and we couldn't organize well enough to defeat them due to the officer purges.

Al-bab showed the situation TAF is in. Compare that to the Operation Sun (2008) ten years ago and you'll get the picture. We could defeat PKK in Qandil mountains in a week and now it takes 6 months to take al-bab. Albeit partially due to having TFSA elements attached to our units. So the situation is grim and the institution supposed to fix this situation the war schools hugely lost their ability to do so.

And nobody wants to join the army and become part of some purge a few years down the line. Even joining the police looks more attractive to the youth now.