Turkey's Erdogan unnerves West with Putin visit

[-SINAN-]

Just a question, why are you turks so butthurt that no one from europe visits? Our leaders have a time schedule. As far as i know our PM Renzi made a phone call and so did Merkel and Hollande. I dont get whats the difference and why you want them there?

And i mean this as honest questions. If Italy would have such a coup you want tell me Erdogan would come to Rome?

It doesn't mean that Renzi should come over here to express solidarity. Any delegation or an official would do it. It would express solidarity for Turkey. But instead, euros talked concerned of the fate of the traitors.

It showed your mindset.

No need for kill. We showed at Idomeni that we have no mercy. That worked perfect and according to Frontex had a bigegr impact on that situation than anything else.

This can be pushed even more so. Spain shows how it works. Complete seal and then evryone is transported into a camp on a remote island without any hope to leave. He eitehr goes back home or stays in the camp forever. Australia showed that this concept works.

Plan C would be killing but i doubt we must go to that. We just must make their existance more horrible than in their camps.,

It took just a few weeks and their will collapsed as they lost all hope.

This is just a matter of standards. They flood like water to the area where the situation is easier for them. When we make their existance miserable enough they flood back to turkey. They even pay smugglers to get back to turkey since the balkan is closed.

Instead of Markuss's narative lets look at the Greek officials own words.

"
Greek authorities on a number of Aegean islands have called for emergency measures to curtail a growing flow of refugees from Turkey, which Athens attributes to the impact of the attempted coup in that country.

Since the failed 15 July putsch, the number of Europe-bound migrants willing to make the perilous journey across the Aegean has increased noticeably, with the Greek government announcing that as of yesterday some 9,420 men, women and children had been registered on Lesbos and other islands.

As the annual holiday exodus to the Mediterranean got under way, the regional governor of the north Aegean, Christiana Kalogirou, sounded the alarm, saying it was imperative that immediate steps were taken to stymie the “constant and apparently increasing flow”. On Lesbos one rescue worker said scenes had become eerily reminiscent of the days before Europe cut a deal with Turkey in March to curb mass arrivals."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/30/refugee-numbers-rise-greece-aegean-turkey-coup-attempt

Article date 30 July, coup date 15 July. In mere 2 weeks 9420 refugees "registered". If you do the calculations it means annually 250.000 refugees. And not mentioning un-registered refugees and “constant and apparently increasing flow”.

But as i said before...i don't care. It's not our problem anymore.....you can try to stop them by typing hard on your keyboard.

Fvck it I am dying

"Bu nası koltuk böyle aq"......

 

[awan6060]

Turkey is the shining star of the Muslim World.......... The custodian of Ottoman Legacy............ and Ordagan is playing his cards closely and shrewdly

 

[MarkusS]

It doesn't mean that Renzi should come over here to express solidarity. Any delegation or an official would do it. It would express solidarity for Turkey. But instead, euros talked concerned of the fate of the traitors.

It showed your mindset.



Instead of Markuss's narative lets look at the Greek officials own words.

"
Greek authorities on a number of Aegean islands have called for emergency measures to curtail a growing flow of refugees from Turkey, which Athens attributes to the impact of the attempted coup in that country.

Since the failed 15 July putsch, the number of Europe-bound migrants willing to make the perilous journey across the Aegean has increased noticeably, with the Greek government announcing that as of yesterday some 9,420 men, women and children had been registered on Lesbos and other islands.

As the annual holiday exodus to the Mediterranean got under way, the regional governor of the north Aegean, Christiana Kalogirou, sounded the alarm, saying it was imperative that immediate steps were taken to stymie the “constant and apparently increasing flow”. On Lesbos one rescue worker said scenes had become eerily reminiscent of the days before Europe cut a deal with Turkey in March to curb mass arrivals."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/30/refugee-numbers-rise-greece-aegean-turkey-coup-attempt

Article date 30 July, coup date 15 July. In mere 2 weeks 9420 refugees "registered". If you do the calculations it means annually 250.000 refugees. And not mentioning un-registered refugees and “constant and apparently increasing flow”.

But as i said before...i don't care. It's not our problem anymore.....you can try to stop them by typing hard on your keyboard.


"Bu nası koltuk böyle aq"......

Sinan, i´m a man. Its my biggest dream to fight for my country and to kill. Our party does evrything so the refugee deal fails. This deal gives a wrong security which places our fate in the hands of some oriental despots. Weaklings like Merkel fear the battle. But i demand war.

I´m not afraid to kill and i believe this situation makes it possible. I´m well trained, incredible fit. Would there be a better use for me then fighting for my country and europe? I believe evrything must prove itself in constant battle.

I tested myself and found out i lost evry compassion regarding those who try to come here. I would have little problems to fend them off.

We get a gigantic chance here. That weak liberal leftism is dieing. The far right rises. The left is so scared and shocked that they themself start using our ideas. Why you think we have concentration camps in italy and such hard policies? Its against the left ideas yet they do it. And it helps them nothing. The far right is more attractive for many.

I must always laugh when you and others say europe and its "human rights" bla bla. I assure you, the majority of us dont care about human rights. Believe me, the refugees are far more safe in turkey than here. The moment we get the power will be their end.

I give you a personal example, few weeks ago i was in Bari at a ralley from our youth department. Our leading politicians made speeches. They joked about making "refugee deals" with neptune.

Forza Italia stand for a new italy and a new europe.

The fact that those leftist idiots are bound by morality and we are not gives us an evolutionary advantage. And if history proves anything, that evolution always wins.

And if you think that and my people dont care about damage done to europe in short terms from this refugees. We do care but its necessary. Salvation through destruction.

And i´m considered moderate. I believe making their hell is enough to achieve our goals. But i´m flexible. If this doesnt work enough we must simply use more robust ways to deal with them.

But it can only be part of the solution. You need to kill at your border wall. Stop being so soft.

That said, i´m sure some foreign official from italy will visit turkey soon. Thats ok i think. Maybe you are right in that and we simply dont understand how important this coup was for you. It looked like a minor thing over here. We are not free of mistakes.

 

[-SINAN-]

Sinan, i´m a man. Its my biggest dream to fight for my country and to kill. Our party does evrything so the refugee deal fails. This deal gives a wrong security which places our fate in the hands of some oriental despots. Weaklings like Merkel fear the battle. But i demand war.

I´m not afraid to kill and i believe this situation makes it possible. I´m well trained, incredible fit. Would there be a better use for me then fighting for my country and europe? I believe evrything must prove itself in constant battle.

I tested myself and found out i lost evry compassion regarding those who try to come here. I would have little problems to fend them off.

I love the current situation. We get a gigantic chance here. That weak liberal leftism is dieing. The far right rises. In evry country. The left is so scared and shocked that tehy themself start using our ideas. Why you think we have concentration camps in italy and such hard policies? Its against the left ideas yet they do it. And it helps them nothing. The far right is more attractive for many.

I must always laugh when you and others say europe and its "human rights" bla bla. I assure you, the majority of us dont care about human rights. Believe me, the refugees are far more safe in turkey than here. The moment we get the power will be their end.

Forza Italia stand for a new italy and a new europe.

The fact that those leftist idiots are bound by morality and we are not gives us an evolutionary advantage. And if history proves anything, that evolution always wins.

And if you think that and my people dont care about damage done to europe in short terms from this refugees. We do care but its necessary. Salvation through destruction.

That said, i´m sure some lower ranked foreign official from italy will visit turkey soon.

You and people like you (flamer) do these kind of statements (We will go out and kill refugees) out of your frustration because you are not being able to cut refugee flow. We both know that European countries won't fall in to a tribal state where it's citizens will rise up, toss aside their laws and begin ethnic cleansing. You can only fool the guys who thinks like you....

Even if what you said had been true....it wouldn't be still our problem.

That said, i´m sure some foreign official from italy will visit turkey soon. Thats ok i think. Maybe you are right in that and we simply dont understand how important this coup was for you. It looked like a minor thing over here. We are not free of mistakes.

It looks like nobody cares anymore. You had your chance and blew it.

Today, Denmark said, Turkey's membership process should end, Germany said let's not make strong statements....you can't even cooperate between yourselves.

From now on....as far as i read the situation in Turkey. Only thing you will get from the Turkey will be the finger. Turkey won't compromise, won't try to reach a concensus in any matter with EU. It's our way or the high way.

 

[MarkusS]

You and people like you (flamer) do these kind of statements (We will go out and kill refugees) out of your frustration because you are not being able to cut refugee flow. We both know that European countries won't fall in to a tribal state where it's citizens will rise up, toss aside their laws and begin ethnic cleansing. You can only fool the guys who thinks like you....

Even if what you said had been true....it wouldn't be still our problem.

But we cut teh flow Sinan. Its strange dont you think...that so many refugee boats sink infront italy. Italy is in a very comfortable position. We have mountains in the north and then the sea around us. And the sea is a dangerous place at night.

That said in newest polls we are at 40%. We live in interesting times that give us so many chances.

My wishs are already brought into reality. You cant imagine how much i enjoyed Idomeni. They suffered Sinan. And did suffer for weeks until they gave up. I dont believe in killing. I´m a christian. I think we must do this without violence. Its far more effective and better for us.

 

[-SINAN-]

But we cut teh flow Sinan. Its strange dont you think...that so many refugee boats sink infront italy. Italy is in a very comfortable position. We have mountains in the north and then the sea around us. And the sea is a dangerous place at night.

That said in newest polls we are at 40%. We live in interesting times that give us so many chances.

My wishs are already brought into reality. You cant imagine how much i enjoyed Idomeni. They suffered Sinan. And did suffer for weeks until they gave up. I dont believe in killing. I´m a christian. I think we must do this without violence. Its far more effective and better for us.

Oh god....can we just cut this refugee talk please ? I don't care a bit. It's not our problem. How many times do i have to tell you.

 

[MarkusS]

It looks like nobody cares anymore. You had your chance and blew it.

Today, Denmark said, Turkey's membership process should end, Germany said let's not make strong statements....you can't even cooperate between yourselves.

From now on....as far as i read the situation in Turkey. Only thing you will get from the Turkey will be the finger. Turkey won't compromise, won't try to reach a concensus in any matter with EU. It's our way or the high way.

You know you are right in one point. I´m insecure regarding future as is Forza Italia. But i believe we do the right thing. I dont know if it is the right thing. All i want is the best for my people. That we have peace and stability. Thats what i do care for. The current situation all over the world disturbs me. I´m young. I never faced any big problems in my entire life. I see all this as a test and hope we can pass. Just as you hope for the same.

You say you dont care about anyone from italy visits. Maybe we made a mistake. In the end we can´t get rid of you. And you cant get rid of us. We are bound at each other by geography. God made us neighbors. So i believe we must find a way.

So you will have to make concensus with us. If you want or not. Just as we always have done in the last 1000 years.

Oh god....can we just cut this refugee talk please ? I don't care a bit. It's not our problem. How many times do i have to tell you.

It is your problem. You have 3 million. Your country is under extreme pressure. The entire EU has not even 1/3 of what you have to carry. I have respect for that.

 

[Steve781]

I'm not sure how "unnerving" it is. Much of the EU is pretty soft on Russia. Only Britain, Scandinavia, Romania, Poland and the Baltic States are really hostile.

 

[TurkeyForever]

Markus you have so much anger inside you

 

[-SINAN-]

. In the end we can´t get rid of you.

No, i think different. EU can end the membership process....all i want from EU is, to be regarded as a 3rd world country.

Let's look at Egypt; a dictator topples the democratically elected president. EU goes full support, do not interfere with their domestic affairs. Trade and defense relations goes as usual.
Egypt receives first of two French Mistral warships

This is the cooperation i would wish to see between EU and Turkey....and i think to let it happen, we have to end the membership process.

There were talks like, we would end the process, change Copenhagen criteria to Ankara criteria. And establish all of them. Met with European standards while not being in the union. We could tailor security, terrorism, refugee laws to our needs. I think this is a brilliant idea.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Saudis and Americans would retaliate with sectarian terrorism and economic sanctions .. something Pakistan has faced due to its closeness with China

 

[Finer]

Thus the new beginning era "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"?

 

[Serpentine]

If Turkey gets out of NATO for some reason, you will see that U.S suddenly becomes worried about democracy and human rights in Turkey and also terrorism charges, hence finding a reason to sanction it somehow. That's just how it works. Meanwhile countries like Bahrain, Qatar and Saudi Arabia remain shining stars in democracy, human rights and not supporting terrorism.

 

[MarkusS]

No, i think different. EU can end the membership process....all i want from EU is, to be regarded as a 3rd world country.

Let's look at Egypt; a dictator topples the democratically elected president. EU goes full support, do not interfere with their domestic affairs. Trade and defense relations goes as usual.
Egypt receives first of two French Mistral warships

This is the cooperation i would wish to see between EU and Turkey....and i think to let it happen, we have to end the membership process.

There were talks like, we would end the process, change Copenhagen criteria to Ankara criteria. And establish all of them. Met with European standards while not being in the union. We could tailor security, terrorism, refugee laws to our needs. I think this is a brilliant idea.

The problem Sinan is that we dont understand each other. Turkey talks and we dont know what it wants nor do we understand it and same goes other way around. There is nothing wrong in admitting that something doesnt work.

 

[-SINAN-]

The problem Sinan is that we dont understand each other. Turkey talks and we dont know what it wants nor do we understand it and same goes other way around. There is nothing wrong in admitting that something doesnt work.

Yeah, if you can't understand "stop trying to interfere in to our domestic affairs"....than there is nothing left to say.