Turkey's Erdogan unnerves West with Putin visit

[CrimsonFury]

turkey's plans of annexing northern Syria and desires to create a neo Ottoman Empire goes against Russian interests in the region. Erdogan's personality ensures that he cannot let go of this ambition. Also turks believe that most Russian lands belong to them. Eventually, they will step in on each other's toes again. When this happens, Russia will finish turkey off for good this time as the USA and NATO will turn its back on turkey.

you bark too much.

 

[MarkusS]

It's even more amusing that you seem to think your opinions carry any weight with regards to this specific subject.

european media say this meeting shows that erdogans loyality is not a matter of pride or honor but money.

Thats good news, isn´t it?

 

[CrimsonFury]

european media say this meeting shows that erdogans loyality is not a matter of pride or honor but money.

Thats good news, isn´t it?

If that were the case he'd flee the country on the night of the 15 th. European media along with its other insititutions lost all credibility after the mask fell. That all Turks saw for themselves what your measure of "alliance" is certainly good news for us and bad news for you.

Furthermore it was European leaders who scrambled to Iran the minute the sanctions were lifted. Even that arrogant fatass Sigmar Gabriel went. So before accusing other leaders of superficiality, turn and look at your own.

 

[monitor]

don't relay too much on any ally stand on your own feet is the best policy . turkey after getting chilled reaction after Russian plane shot down and recent support by west to a anti democratic coup has opened the eyes of not just Erdogan but other opposition leaders too that west cannot be a true friend . we have to wait how much fruit Turkey can get by playing with two super power together .

 

[damm1t]

european media say this meeting shows that erdogans loyality is not a matter of pride or honor but money.

Thats good news, isn´t it?

What loyalty for god's sake, there are just benefits and interests. EU and USA are hypocrats, at least Russia is more man than both of them. Till we get what we need Turkey will keep using everycard he has.

turkey's plans of annexing northern Syria and desires to create a neo Ottoman Empire goes against Russian interests in the region. Erdogan's personality ensures that he cannot let go of this ambition. Also turks believe that most Russian lands belong to them. Eventually, they will step in on each other's toes again. When this happens, Russia will finish turkey off for good this time as the USA and NATO will turn its back on turkey.

You should stop analyze international politics, I didn't see you were right yet.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Hey, what about China?

 

[damm1t]

Fvck it I am dying

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

Let's agree to disagree. We will see the results of the "refugee deal collapse" with our own eyes a few months later.

i don't understand this cant the Europeans refuse the deal and stop immigrants from entering their land by force or are they that cowardly
we have 5 million immigrant in Egypt I wonder if we can use them to negotiate

 

[-SINAN-]

i don't understand this cant the Europeans refuse the deal and stop immigrants from entering their land by force or are they that cowardly

I dunno, human rights and stuff. You can't kill women and children who are just trying to pass the border.

we have 5 million immigrant in Egypt I wonder if we can use them to negotiate

We have a special case...Greek Islands are so close to Turkey. You can see the headlight of the Greek cars from our shore. It's very easy to cross in to a Greek island.

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[MarkusS]

If that were the case he'd flee the country on the night of the 15 th. European media along with its other insititutions lost all credibility after the mask fell. That all Turks saw for themselves what your measure of "alliance" is certainly good news for us and bad news for you.

Furthermore it was European leaders who scrambled to Iran the minute the sanctions were lifted. Even that arrogant fatass Sigmar Gabriel went. So before accusing other leaders of superficiality, turn and look at your own.

Just a question, why are you turks so butthurt that no one from europe visits? Our leaders have a time schedule. As far as i know our PM Renzi made a phone call and so did Merkel and Hollande. I dont get whats the difference and why you want them there?

And i mean this as honest questions. If Italy would have such a coup you want tell me Erdogan would come to Rome?

I dunno, human rights and stuff. You can't kill women and children who are just trying to pass the border.


We have a special case...Greek Islands are so close to Turkey. You can see the headlight of the Greek cars from our shore. It's very easy to cross in to a Greek island.

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No need for kill. We showed at Idomeni that we have no mercy. That worked perfect and according to Frontex had a bigegr impact on that situation than anything else.

This can be pushed even more so. Spain shows how it works. Complete seal and then evryone is transported into a camp on a remote island without any hope to leave. He eitehr goes back home or stays in the camp forever. Australia showed that this concept works.

Plan C would be killing but i doubt we must go to that. We just must make their existance more horrible than in their camps.,

It took just a few weeks and their will collapsed as they lost all hope.

This is just a matter of standards. They flood like water to the area where the situation is easier for them. When we make their existance miserable enough they flood back to turkey. They even pay smugglers to get back to turkey since the balkan is closed.

 

[CrimsonFury]

Just a question, why are you turks so butthurt that no one from europe visits? Our leaders have a time schedule. As far as i know our PM Renzi made a phone call and so did Merkel and Hollande. I dont get whats the difference and why you want them there?

And i mean this as honest questions. If Italy would have such a coup you want tell me Erdogan would come to Rome?




No need for kill. We showed at Idomeni that we have no mercy. That worked perfect and according to Frontex had a bigegr impact on that situation than anything else.

This can be pushed even more so. Spain shows how it works. Complete seal and then evryone is transported into a camp on a remote island without any hope to leave. He eitehr goes back home or stays in the camp forever. Australia showed that this concept works.

Plan C would be killing but i doubt we must go to that. We just must make their existance more horrible than in their camps.,

It took just a few weeks and their will collapsed as they lost all hope.

This is just a matter of standards. They flood like water to the area where the situation is easier for them. When we make their existance miserable enough they flood back to turkey. They even pay smugglers to get back to turkey since the balkan is closed.

Our PM came to the walk that was arranged after the horrible Paris attack so last year, so yes if something in this scale happened a very senior Turkish administrator would visit Rome and show solidarity. That is the the difference between you and us. Even if your foreign ministers visited it would have been a very good gesture. But as I said again, the mask has fallen and the coming 10 years will see a big shift in how EU/ Turkey relationships go. You are no ally, no partner no nothing. We only need you to trade with and within the next decade we will diversify our investor profile so that there are less Europeans and more Far Eastern, American, and Oriental investors. All leverage the EU has (which isn't much even now) will be elimated by 2030.

 

[MarkusS]

Our PM came to the walk that was arranged after the horrible Paris attack so last year, so yes if something in this scale happened a very senior Turkish administrator would visit Rome and show solidarity. That is the the difference between you and us. Even if your foreign ministers visited it would have been a very good gesture. But as I said again, the mask has fallen and the coming 10 years will see a big shift in how EU/ Turkey relationships go. You are no ally, no partner no nothing. We only need you to trade with and within the next decade we will diversify our investor profile so that there are less Europeans and more Far Eastern, American, and Oriental investors. All leverage the EU has (which isn't much even now) will be elimated by 2030.

You call us a "nothing"? You talk about human beings here amigo.

Tell me, how can we show solidarity with the nation turkey but avoid any meetings with erdogan?

And for the rest. You live because you connect europe with asia. So your rant makes no sense. Turkey alon is totally irrelevant. It benefits as link between continents. If you cutt of europe, you are wothless for any investor. You are too small and lack internal consumer strength.

And american investors? Right now you insult them even more than you insult us.
The thing is...we are disgusted by Erdogan. Our leaders dont want meet with him and as you see no one visits at all.

If you bring up a neutral person i´m sure our leaders would visit. Our PM Renzi for example does not want stand next to Erdogan since it would have a bad effect on his votes here. Erdogan is burned here.

Also we did show solidarity. Renzi made a call and our foreign minister said the coup is bad. Is that no solidarity or what?

 

[Nefarious]

turkey's plans of annexing northern Syria and desires to create a neo Ottoman Empire goes against Russian interests in the region. Erdogan's personality ensures that he cannot let go of this ambition. Also turks believe that most Russian lands belong to them. Eventually, they will step in on each other's toes again. When this happens, Russia will finish turkey off for good this time as the USA and NATO will turn its back on turkey.

Yep, you really scared the Russians away with that one! They won't be friends with Turkey now.

 

[CrimsonFury]

You call us a "nothing"? You talk about human beings here amigo.

Tell me, how can we show solidarity with the nation turkey but avoid any meetings with erdogan?

And for the rest. You live because you connect europe with asia. So your rant makes no sense. Turkey alon is totally irrelevant. It benefits as link between continents. If you cutt of europe, you are wothless for any investor. You are too small and lack internal consumer strength.

And american investors? Right now you insult them even more than you insult us.
The thing is...we are disgusted by Erdogan. Our leaders dont want meet with him and as you see no one visits at all.

If you bring up a neutral person i´m sure our leaders would visit. Our PM Renzi for example does not want stand next to Erdogan since it would have a bad effect on his votes here. Erdogan is burned here.

Also we did show solidarity. Renzi made a call and our foreign minister said the coup is bad. Is that no solidarity or what?

And by shaping your whole opinion on Turkey by basing it on Erdogan you alienate all 70+ million Turks. Furthermore by saying that Turkey is irrelevant minus its geographic position is quite stupid. One of the fastest growing economies, fastest developing domestic arms industry, young population, NATOs second largest military (which could grind any conventional European army into dust) and a country who today is more united in spirit than ever...all these and more make up Turkey. So keep lying to yourself about Turkey being irrelevant. Even better, ask your media agencies why they are so infatuated by what's going on in Turkey if it is a country that is irrelevant (welcome to Logic 101, if it hurts your head drink some cold water and take a nap before continuing on to the next part).

As for Erdogan, I'm no fan of him but I love the fact that he stands and up and calls a wrong a wrong loudly and clearly. The reason why you don't like him is because he isn't bowing to your every demand like many previous Turkish politicians would do. He wants to be treated as an equal and if you don't want to treat him as one then that's fine as long as you **** off and don't interfere in our internal affairs...yet you still interfere in our internal affairs as if we are some vassal state that is sworn to be obedient to your every word. But the funny thing is with every year the voice of the EU to the Turkish public gets quieter and quieter. One day soon it will be silenced completely, one way or another. And then we can start a dialogue as equals or there will be no dialogue at all.

 

[RepublicOk]

Wasn't he showing alot of bravado against the Russians after Su bomber incident. Same with Israel after Flotilla. His U turns are commendable.
He is a top league opportunistic politician.