Turkey will target US troops supporting Kurds

[PeaceGen]

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/01/25...get-if-they-dont-stop-supporting-syria-kurds/

Wow the empire is being challenged openly. I love Ergodan. May Allah keep him and Turkish troops safe. We in Pakistan will always be with the good people of Turkey in their time of need.

The Kurds deserve a homeland of their own. A part of Turkey and the countries on Turkey's southern and eastern border as well perhaps.

But noooo, all mainstream politicians are hanging on to "their country's land" so ferociously it invites terror strikes combined with peaceful protest. People who do that, have historically eventually always won that homeland, you know. It's just a matter of time and patience and wits.

When is Turkey going to allow their 'IRA' (The Kurds) to go 'Sin Fein'? To move from military organisation to political party? Even autonomy in some area of Turkey and it's surrounding countries to it's south and east, would probably be enough for the Kurdish people in the end, provided they get a good measure of actual autonomy, but excluding the right to train a military or to motivate their people towards violence as a political tool.

that's what you're all missing.
and innocents will keep on dying until you allow the Kurds some land of their own (most gracious), or autonomy in several joining 'provinces' along the south-eastern Turkish border.

but you Muslim rulers and intel guys, you seem more into trying to get to glory by killing your enemies (often provoked by false-flagging, also *between Muslim groups* from various countries in the Middle East and Asia), than you are into trying to get to glory by being the peacemakers and bringers of true peace and prosperity to your peoples.

it's just a guess, but enjoy the wealth you enjoy on Earth, because i think you're headed to Hell as afterlife if you are into that killer competitive glory seeking, Muslim rulers. Unless you change your ways *during this lifetime of yours*, ofcourse.

Be the rich or religious peace maker. You'll like it. You'll like it much better than the sting and adrenaline of battle.

 

[Trango Towers]

I don't understand Muslims. Europe USA uniting. Muslims fragmenting​

 

[PeaceGen]

I don't understand Muslims. Europe USA uniting. Muslims fragmenting​

Muslims are fragmenting because a major war between Muslims over which flavor of Islam should rule you all has erupted.
I don't think the West started this. I think it's caused by now rapidly growing Muslim population numbers.

As for Turks shooting up Yanks:
Just put a large cruisemissile fleet in the Mediterranean Sea, just off the Shore of Ankara.
Then tell the Turks they'll shoot up their government buildings *with advance evacuation notice*.
That should shut up the Turks

Afterall, the Turks *are* meddling in Iraqi business. Iraqis see the Kurds as valuable assets (perhaps worthy of autonomy for their sacrifices!) in their ongoing war against ISIS.

Oh, and what applies to the Kurds, *definitely also applies to the Palestinians*.
The Palestinians have shown restraint under the new stricter Israeli management,
now it's time for the Israelis to allow a real peace process to take place.
One that calls upon Israel's neighbors to give the Palestinians all the land they need, plus the means to make it habitable.
You can't eat gold. You *can* eat fruit, vegetables, and meat grown by evaporating seawater on sunlight using off-the-shelf existing plastic components (all that's required are a couple of people good at plumbing). Here's a manual i once wrote : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/salt...echnical-specs-for-free.532606/#post-10076516

And we *have* to reduce family size by encouraging family planning in all schools, to about 2 or 3 kids per family.
On a global level.

Or this whole feed 'm and keep 'm peaceful that way plan is not going to work at all in the long-term.

 

[MMM-E]

The Kurds deserve a homeland of their own. A part of Turkey and the countries on Turkey's southern and eastern border as well perhaps.

TURKS took all Anatolia from the Byzantine Empire , not from ugly smelly Pkk-Ypg Terrorists

and the Kurds are belong to the caves of ZAGROS Mountains in Iran , not Anatolia

 

[jamal18]

Had it be Pakistan, people would be giving excuses why our forces do not shoot down US drone because they did not violated our airspace however its another thing that they fire missiles into our territory.

In this matter, Turks have b#lls, we don't. This is why they rule and we serve.

 

[PeaceGen]

TURKS took all Anatolia from the Byzantine Empire , not from ugly smelly Pkk-Ypg Terrorists

and the Kurds are belong to the caves of ZAGROS Mountains in Iran , not Anatolia

ultimately, their desire to get Turkish land is probably based on the ability to grow food and animals on that particular land.
you Muslims need my water-idea listed earlier by me in this thread, more than ever.

The Palestinians have the same and equally very valid problem.

the Muslim political color is green. Muslims have long known the ability to grow food is a major factor in stopping wars, not starting wars due to the population growth that follows. *because* it allows people to spread away from rivers and oasis and underground water-reserves to the very large stretches of land where there's no water falling from the sky regularly.

that said, we have to find modern ways to make do with families of just 2 or 3 surviving family members. that would keep the world population at a stable number, and allow us to spread out to avoid war with eachother as we once did. we have run out of naturally fertile land (land you can grow food and animals on in larger numbers/quantities). but we can adjust by building simple technology made up of already existing and well-tested parts.
for ffs, you can tie these things together with duct-tape and they'd work. you make 'm of black plastic, you get an enormous evaporation rate. you employ people to grow food, and then sell it according to those best of Muslim traditions : basic necessities sold on a low profit margin. And also start businesses that can get a slightly higher return *because people now have land to build on, food to eat every day, and can go to trade school (businessman, plumber, carpenter, home painter, banker, lawyer, scientist, etc), etc*.

In this matter, Turks have b#lls, we don't. This is why they rule and we serve.

Well it's clear Pakistan and Afghanistan can't quite handle their tribal area populations well enough. Hell, in Pakistan some of those tribal-area people (too many!) have even announced oppression of the major Pakistani moderate cities. And we're happy to provide the help to deal with them. Without slaughtering them all, too.

Forensics, criminals databases, increased police know-how, jail-time for terrorists (life-long sentences in most cases, but with very strict and clever reviews to see if an extremist has actually de-radicalized while in prison, allowing *perhaps* for supervised life outside the prison), that's where the real gains are currently made.

Not so much raids on tribal villages. Eventually the police of the moderates will have to police the tribal areas too, especially guard the chaperones for Islamic schools who oversee that no violence is promoted from Islamic schools. You'll have to integrate the tribal population who wants to live at peace with the moderate major cities of a country like Pakistan as well, into your police force, to give them a provincial government made up largely of their own people, to police the entire election process for all elections like hungry hawks, etc, etc, etc.

Let me know, folks, if you need more help filling in the blanks for this version 4 or 5 of the plan to end the war of terror.

We also need to know how the fundamentalists and extremists feel about these plans of ours.
Best to play chess to see who is going to win, than to try to bash eachother's skulls in to see who will win.

 

[Trango Towers]

Turks are not Indians...

Muslims are fragmenting because a major war between Muslims over which flavor of Islam should rule you all has erupted.
I don't think the West started this. I think it's caused by now rapidly growing Muslim population numbers.

As for Turks shooting up Yanks:
Just put a large cruisemissile fleet in the Mediterranean Sea, just off the Shore of Ankara.
Then tell the Turks they'll shoot up their government buildings *with advance evacuation notice*.
That should shut up the Turks

Afterall, the Turks *are* meddling in Iraqi business. Iraqis see the Kurds as valuable assets (perhaps worthy of autonomy for their sacrifices!) in their ongoing war against ISIS.

Oh, and what applies to the Kurds, *definitely also applies to the Palestinians*.
The Palestinians have shown restraint under the new stricter Israeli management,
now it's time for the Israelis to allow a real peace process to take place.
One that calls upon Israel's neighbors to give the Palestinians all the land they need, plus the means to make it habitable.
You can't eat gold. You *can* eat fruit, vegetables, and meat grown by evaporating seawater on sunlight using off-the-shelf existing plastic components (all that's required are a couple of people good at plumbing). Here's a manual i once wrote : https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/salt...echnical-specs-for-free.532606/#post-10076516

And we *have* to reduce family size by encouraging family planning in all schools, to about 2 or 3 kids per family.
On a global level.

Or this whole feed 'm and keep 'm peaceful that way plan is not going to work at all in the long-term.

 

[PeaceGen]

Turks are not Indians...

No they're not.
But what are you tryng to say specifically?

 

[PeaceGen]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...clean-entire-syrian-border-idUSKBN1FH0MH?il=0

Erdogan says Turkey will 'clean' entire Syrian border

ANKARA/BEIRUT (Reuters) - President Tayyip Erdogan said on Sunday that Turkey will “clean” its entire border with Syria in a sign that the Turkish offensive on the Syrian Kurdish YPG group in northern Syria’s Afrin region could be extended further.

Since Turkey’s assault in Afrin began nine days ago, it has increased tensions between Ankara and the United States, which has supported the YPG in other parts of Syria in the fight against Islamic State.


“Step by step, we will clean our entire border,” Erdogan said in a speech after the army said it had captured Jebel Bursaya, a hill that Turkish media had described as a critical position in recent days.

Erdogan said last week that Turkey might conduct operations eastwards inside Syria all the way to Iraq to clear the YPG from its frontier. Syrian Kurdish officials have pledged to meet any wider Turkish assault with an “appropriate response”.


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More than a week into their offensive, however, Turkey and allied Syrian rebel groups have made only modest progress fighting into hilly terrain against entrenched foes.

The U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces, an alliance of militias of which the YPG is the strongest, had said earlier on Sunday that there was intense fighting in the area.

A war monitor, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said Turkey and its allied rebel groups had taken the hill, which overlooks the major Syrian town of Azaz, which they also hold.

The Observatory said Turkish air strikes had killed three people in one family early on Sunday in Afrin. Turkish bombardment also damaged an ancient temple, it said.

Reporting by Tuvan Gumrukcu; Editing by Raissa Kasolowsky

Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

The Turks need to do a lot better than just labeling the Kurds terrorists.
Once again : the ones holding onto lands via violence, are just as evil as the ones trying to gain land by violence.
Except that the ones seeking a homeland and whom have shown decades or more of relative restraint in their quest for a homeland of their own, have clearly got the moral highground in such 'who is more evil' discussions; they are *less* evil than for instance Turkish leaders who could come up with much better solutions than sending in their military.

The Northern-Irish have been through this, the Catelans are going through it now, and the Kurds and Palestinians are still going through it.
I hope the Kurds, Palestinians and Catelans, Hong-Kong-ese and all other peoples struggling for indepence don't have to wait too long for their autonomy *rights*.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...judge-s-approval-to-attend-catalan-parliament

Puigdemont to Seek Approval to Attend Catalan Parliament
By
Esteban Duarte
January 28, 2018, 3:23 PM GMT+1

• Constitutional Court ruled ousted chief must be present
• Approval will need to come from judge investigating Puigdemont

Carles Puigdemont Photographer: Dario Pignatelli/Bloomberg
Ousted Catalan President Carles Puigdemont plans to seek judicial permission to attend a local parliamentary session Tuesday that would vote him in as regional leader for a second term.



Spain’s Constitutional Court has sought to block the investiture, ruling Saturday that Puigdemont, who has been self-exiled in Belgium since late October, must be present at the session to be voted in. He has to get approval from the judge investigating to attend, according to the ruling. Puigdemont faces an arrest warrant in Spain over an illegal declaration of independence.



Josep Rull, a lawmaker in Puigdemont’s party, told Catalonia Radio Sunday that the former Catalan chief would request the court’s approval. A Barcelona-based press official from Puigdemont’s party confirmed the plan in a text message.



nominatedPuigdemont last week after separatist parties retained a majority in the parliament in elections last month. The lawmakers have explored whether it would be possible to go ahead with voting Puigdemont in by remote means such as a teleconference or using on another member of the parliament. Such moves might sidestep the arrest order issued by Supreme Court judge Pablo Llarena, who is investigating him for possible charges such as sedition and rebellion.



Puigdemont’s party isn’t planning to propose an alternative candidate, lawmaker Eduard Pujol was cited as saying by La Vanguardia on Sunday.

 

[Solomon2]

another terrorist supporter YPG = PKK

While fighting a common cause, what would you expect? As for the endgame, alternatives were available: why didn't Turkey ally with YPG to rob PKK of ideology, material support, and personnel? Wouldn't that benefit Turkey more than what it's doing now?

 

[Feng Leng]

Turkey throws down the gauntlet! Syria already threw down the gauntlet to Israel. Will Iran do the same?

 

[Menthol]

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/01/25...get-if-they-dont-stop-supporting-syria-kurds/

Wow the empire is being challenged openly. I love Ergodan. May Allah keep him and Turkish troops safe. We in Pakistan will always be with the good people of Turkey in their time of need.

I don't think turkey dare to do it.

It's suicidal unless if turkey 100% backed by Islamic Bloc, that supported by several big powerful Muslims countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran and Indonesia. And guaranteed by Russia and China.

If Turkey dare to attack USA, USA will definitely embargo and attack it's economy like the bankrupt Venezuela. Without the support of other countries, Turkey will back to the stone age.

 

[Ace of Spades]

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/01/25...get-if-they-dont-stop-supporting-syria-kurds/

Wow the empire is being challenged openly. I love Ergodan. May Allah keep him and Turkish troops safe. We in Pakistan will always be with the good people of Turkey in their time of need.

As much as i like Turkey for what they are. This is not happening; all EU block will support US. Even without military option turkey depends on west for majority of their economy. Economic sanctions would be enough to bankrupt Turkey.

 

[MMM-E]

If Turkey dare to attack USA, USA will definitely embargo and attack it's economy like the bankrupt Venezuela. Without the support of other countries, Turkey will back to the stone age.

The US can start only arms embargo on Turkey , nothing else
Turkey buys only F35 Fighter Jets from The US , because of Turkey is a global partner of the F35 JSF project

and Turkey has option such as Russia , Uk , France , Italy etc for military projects
btw Turkey develops over 600 military projects including TAI TFX 5th gen Fighter Jet with UK , Air Defense System with France and Italy also Turkey buys S400 Air Defense System from Russia

Turkey is no more depend on the US


and there are economic ,political and asymmetric war between Turkey and The US ,Israel , Germany since 2013
The US , Israel and Germany attacks Turkey's economy since 2013 ,,,
The US Israel and Germany backed Terrorist Organizations Pkk-Ypg-Daesh-FETO attacked Turkey after 2013
and Turkish Economy lost minimum $400 billion - maximum $1 trillion between 2013 and 2017

1 USD rose from 1.8 Turkish liras to 3.8 Turkish liras between 2013 and 2017

that means Turkey would have $1,8 trillion GDP Nominal by 2017 instead of $863 billion of GDP Nominal ( if 1 USD = 1.8 Turkish lira ) or $1,2 trillion of GDP Nominal by 2017 ( if 1 USD = 2.8 Turkish lira )

TURKEY is not Venezuela ,,
Turkey is a NATO Member , Turkey is a G-20 Country and Turkey has the 13th biggest Economy in the World ( by GDP PPP ) or 17th biggest Economy in the World ( by GDP Nominal )

and Turkey buys oil and gas from Russia , Iran , Azerbaijan , Qatar ,etc not from The US or Europe

also Turkey can kick the US out of Incirlik Air Base
also Turkey can close Kurecik Radar Base ( American AN-TPY2 Radar protects Israel and Europe from Iranian Ballistic Missile threat
also Turkey control Boshporus , only gateway to the Black Sea for The US and NATO against Russia
also Turkey saved Europe from over 3,5 millions of Syrian refugees and if Turkey open borders then millions of Syrian refugees will flow into Europe

so Terrorist supporter The US has no power to match with Turkey to protect Pkk-Ypg Terrorists

and TURKEY has right to fight against Terrorism
Turkey has right to clean the borders from Terrorists
and Turkey was exercising its rights to combat the attacks as defined by article 51 of the United Nations

 

[monitor]

https://news.antiwar.com/2018/01/25...get-if-they-dont-stop-supporting-syria-kurds/

Wow the empire is being challenged openly. I love Ergodan. May Allah keep him and Turkish troops safe. We in Pakistan will always be with the good people of Turkey in their time of need.

I think any attack on US supported fighter will further deteriorate Turkey US relation . Any attack on US supported fighter might cost Turkey losing many soldiers by friendly fire by US. Turkey is making too much enemy which might cost them.