Turkey will stop teaching evolution in schools, education ministry says

[litman]

Quran's absolute Scientific Error:

[Quran 21:30]Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?

It is a huge huge scientific error of Quran. But instead of realising it, Muslims claim it to be a wonder of Allah that he described the Big Bang Theory in this verse. Please see thousands of Muslims articles and thousands of Muslim videos where they are brain washing the innocent people by using this verse.

Why is it a huge scientific error?

It is due to the reason while according to the science the heavens and earth was never ever connected with each other.

The universe (Islamic heaven) started as the result of big bang about 15 Billion years ago. While the earth didn't exist at that time.

The planet earth came into being only about 4 Billion years ago, when many many stars destroyed and then merged into the form of present earth.

There is a difference of 9 Billion years in the creation of the universe and the earth. So, Allah's claim in Quran that He created the heavens and earth at the same time is scientifically totally wrong. And also, when both of them never existed at the same time, then how could they be separated at the same time?

The amount of propaganda that has been done by the Modern Muslims like Zakir Naik to prove this wonder of Big Bang Theory in the Quran is mind blowing.

there is no scientific evidence to what you are saying. these are just theories. regarding Quranic verse which you have mentioned it is "ayat mutashbiha" and not "ayat muhkam". do some research before speaking non sense regarding Quran.

there is a brief section about darwin and his theory of evolution in a book written by a canadian writer, david livingstone, "terrorism and illuminati".

 

[Joe Shearer]

Dont worry, i am a Kshatriya. People like you can not even talk in high voice in front of me. Just say ji Hukum and you are good to go.

@MastanKhan @Kaptaan and @Joe Shearer

Do you want me to tag any other member ?

Of course. You forgot the 32 Angles.

Incidentally, there are no proper Kshatriyas left. Rajputs call themselves that, with little or no justification. Spare us the pomp and circumstance. And other than the street sweepings who make up for their absence of any socially redeeming quality by speaking in loud voices, none of the decent crowd here are bothered to speak in a high voice (not being castrati) or loud voices, or even to notice your presence with any comment at all.

You are being addressed because your insolence is amusing. Do not think that you will be allowed to engage in conversation, for that reason; just say 'Ji Hukum' and buzz off.

Its still working. Humans are also evolving, we will have bigger head and tool and short hands and lags due to our heavy use of our brain.

Judging by your example, you are half right. It seems very likely that you have a bigger head and a smaller tool. Not to mention your 'lags', and your abuse of your limited brain by engaging in discussions with your elders and betters.

 

[litman]

till few decades homosexuality was a psychiatric illness and today those who are not homosexual they are mentally sick as per scientists. salute to such scientists and their "scientific theories"

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Anyone who says humans didn't evolve but just magically arrived is stupid as **** !

Go easy with cussing A*sians.




*kidding

 

[padamchen]

Dont worry, i am a Kshatriya. People like you can not even talk in high voice in front of me. Just say ji Hukum and you are good to go.

@MastanKhan @Kaptaan and @Joe Shearer

Do you want me to tag any other member ?


Its still working. Humans are also evolving, we will have bigger head and tool and short hands and lags due to our heavy use of our brain.

Ok kid.

I'm really impressed.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Kaushika]

Of course. You forgot the 32 Angles.

Incidentally, there are no proper Kshatriyas left. Rajputs call themselves that, with little or no justification. Spare us the pomp and circumstance. And other than the street sweepings who make up for their absence of any socially redeeming quality by speaking in loud voices, none of the decent crowd here are bothered to speak in a high voice (not being castrati) or loud voices, or even to notice your presence with any comment at all.

You are being addressed because your insolence is amusing. Do not think that you will be allowed to engage in conversation, for that reason; just say 'Ji Hukum' and buzz off.



Judging by your example, you are half right. It seems very likely that you have a bigger head and a smaller tool. Not to mention your 'lags', and your abuse of your limited brain by engaging in discussions with your elders and betters.

There are. Rajput is just a title used by all kshatriya Indo Aryan and warrior Iranic tribes.i personally trace my lineage back to king Gaadhi.

Since you are a bengali you shpuld stick to your shithall state. Its easy to act like snow flake on Pakistani site since you will get some kind of velidation from kissing *** of Pakistanis here. why dont you say that on my face **** *** kisser ? I can visot your state if you want.

Maybe if you stop doing that you or your people will get some respect from worldmedia.

Ok kid.

I'm really impressed.

Cheers, Doc

I dont need to impress you, since your inferior kind always start with ji hukum when we talk.

 

[Mage]

Human skeleton? Not quite right. Skeleton representation of Homo Erectus.

This is what Homo antecessor should look like.

Homo Heidelbergensis (They lived in caves)

A nice article for anyone interested http://listverse.com/2013/03/18/10-transitional-ancestors-of-human-evolution/

@MastanKhan you can see some transitional species of hmans here...although we ourselves are transitional as well. 10000 years later humans on average will look slightly different than ours, that is if they don't go extinct

 

[MastanKhan]

Human skeleton? Not quite right. Skeleton representation of Homo Erectus.

This is what Homo antecessor should look like.

Homo Heidelbergensis (They lived in caves)

A nice article for anyone interested http://listverse.com/2013/03/18/10-transitional-ancestors-of-human-evolution/

@MastanKhan you can see some transitional species of hmans here...although we ourselves are transitional as well. 10000 years later humans on average will look slightly different than ours, that is if they don't go extinct

Hi,

So you are saying that there is a UNIFORM transition of species happening---.

ie---a species as a whole has transitioned into the next phase and there are no stragglers left behind!

 

[veg]

there is no scientific evidence to what you are saying. these are just theories.

These are not theories, but the Indirect Proofs of evolution. If it was not a fact, then the religious community would have been able to answer why there are no fossils of dogs which are older than 15000 years. Not only dogs, but this fossil record is true for all mammals and birds and every living thing. And in each case, the religious community is not able to answer.

So, please bring your proof, or the fossils of dog which are older than 15000 years.

It is same when even before Islam, the great thinkers of that time said that earth is round. And then they brought all the indirect proofs, but the religious community at that time denied them the same way as they are denying evolution today.

The indirect proofs for the round earth came from the observations of stars, and also from the sea where people are only able to see the upper part of the ship and distance, and many more such indirect evidences.

But the religious community was stubborn at that time too and they denied it till the time a ship travelled through the whole round world, which was counted as the Direct evidence, and only after that religious community was compelled to accept it.

Today, there are a lot of indirect proofs which all are proving evidence. But the religious community is again stubborn and asking for Direct proof of evolution, which is not possible while evolution take thousands of years.

regarding Quranic verse which you have mentioned it is "ayat mutashbiha" and not "ayat muhkam". do some research before speaking non sense regarding Quran.

This is a very lame excuse.

From where do you know it is a Mutashabeh verse? You are becoming Kafir by saying it, while Allah claimed in Quran that no one beside Him know which is a Mutashabeh verse and what is Muhakkam.

In fact, Nobody in the last 1400 years of Islamic history claimed it to be mutashabiha, but even the prophet in his hadith was telling it to be the creation of universe.

So, we question the logic of Allah. What was the need of Mutashabeh while telling about the creation of the world?

On one side Quran claims it is clear of all ambiguities, but at the same time Quran if full of Mutashabeh and no one even know which verse is Muhakkam and which is Mutashbeh.

And the most funny thing is this that you are telling us that this verse is Mutashabeh, but your own Ulama like Zakir Naik is extracting modern science from it, and claiming that Quran is telling Big Bang here. Did your Ulama like Zakir Naik don't know that this verse is Mutashabeh?

there is a brief section about darwin and his theory of evolution in a book written by a canadian writer, david livingstone, "terrorism and illuminati".

Please simply tell us what answer did your canadian writer gave for the fossils of dogs and all other fossil record. Absolutely nothing.

Please don't come up with the names, but you have to bring the Scientific Proofs.

 

[litman]

These are not theories, but the Indirect Proofs of evolution. If it was not a fact, then the religious community would have been able to answer why there are no fossils of dogs which are older than 15000 years. Not only dogs, but this fossil record is true for all mammals and birds and every living thing. And in each case, the religious community is not able to answer.

So, please bring your proof, or the fossils of dog which are older than 15000 years.

It is same when even before Islam, the great thinkers of that time said that earth is round. And then they brought all the indirect proofs, but the religious community at that time denied them the same way as they are denying evolution today.

The indirect proofs for the round earth came from the observations of stars, and also from the sea where people are only able to see the upper part of the ship and distance, and many more such indirect evidences.

But the religious community was stubborn at that time too and they denied it till the time a ship travelled through the whole round world, which was counted as the Direct evidence, and only after that religious community was compelled to accept it.

Today, there are a lot of indirect proofs which all are proving evidence. But the religious community is again stubborn and asking for Direct proof of evolution, which is not possible while evolution take thousands of years.




This is a very lame excuse.

From where do you know it is a Mutashabeh verse? You are becoming Kafir by saying it, while Allah claimed in Quran that no one beside Him know which is a Mutashabeh verse and what is Muhakkam.

In fact, Nobody in the last 1400 years of Islamic history claimed it to be mutashabiha, but even the prophet in his hadith was telling it to be the creation of universe.

So, we question the logic of Allah. What was the need of Mutashabeh while telling about the creation of the world?

On one side Quran claims it is clear of all ambiguities, but at the same time Quran if full of Mutashabeh and no one even know which verse is Muhakkam and which is Mutashbeh.

And the most funny thing is this that you are telling us that this verse is Mutashabeh, but your own Ulama like Zakir Naik is extracting modern science from it, and claiming that Quran is telling Big Bang here. Did your Ulama like Zakir Naik don't know that this verse is Mutashabeh?



Please simply tell us what answer did your canadian writer gave for the fossils of dogs and all other fossil record. Absolutely nothing.

Please don't come up with the names, but you have to bring the Scientific Proofs.

your comment shows you know nothing about the types of Quranic verses and your comment about them is totally wrong. about evolution and creation of this universe scientists can only give intelligent assumptions . no concrete evidence can be given how universe was created and how life started.
dont have time to explain Quran here to keyboard warrior. so gud bye.

 

[paritosh]

It shows how ignorant you are. Evolution doesn't mean monkey to men. Its a common misconception. Evolution suggests that at some point all mammals had a common ancestor and the primates share more with other primates than non-primates.

Can you answer me some questions?
1. Why humans in terms of behaviour and biology are closer to other mammals than non-mammals?
2. Why they are closer to other chordates compared to non-chordates like Arthopods?
3. Why you have a tailbone but no tail?


When scientists discuss about evolution today the no longer debate whether it is true or not. Rather debate about various aspects of it like did it evolve this way or that way.

Sir, I think you might be wasting your time and effort here. Sometimes, the whole exercise seems ridiculous when you realize that you have start explaining your points right from scratch to an unwilling mind.

 

[I.R.A]

There is a difference of 9 Billion years in the creation of the universe and the earth. So, Allah's claim in Quran that He created the heavens and earth at the same time is scientifically totally wrong. And also, when both of them never existed at the same time, then how could they be separated at the same time?

You are attaching time periods, whereas there is no mention of how much time it took, and obviously the purpose has never been to describe the whole creation process. Now you can argue the next part of the same verse that "Life originated from water" or sun, moon are not revolving or universe is ever expanding or human embryo is like a leech. Quran itself invites people to research on signs and try understand the creation ......... nowhere it absolutely mentions the whole process of creation. And the word mentioned is Skies not heavens. You are talking about one universe or one world or Earth whereas Quran has mentioned there may be more. You are refuting hints by whatever humans have been able to discover till today ......... the latter is not concluded yet I guess.

You see the problem is you place too much importance on different kind of scholars the ones who read whereas I consider scientists and researchers to be the scholars mentioned in Quran .......... Zakir Naik is a valid scholar for you ...... whereas Maurice Bucaille would be a scholar for me.

 

[Zibago]

is this true? do Pakistan school books not think evolution is correct? what is taught in its place?

It was taught when i was in 9th grade in 2008 dont know about today but our museums still display human evolution

Earlier, theory of evolution was taught in the Pakistan Schools. But recently, that changed and chapters introduced to mock the theory of evolution, telling that how wrong the science is to believe that humans evolved from apes. And then telling them that humans came from Adam, who was sent by heavens.

You know those who choose medical or zoology as their field will be taught evolution anyway so i feel that its just a stupid move so you are going to teach them something in 9th grade which will be refuted in Bsc books :-//

 

[Śakra]

Of course. You forgot the 32 Angles.

Incidentally, there are no proper Kshatriyas left. Rajputs call themselves that, with little or no justification. Spare us the pomp and circumstance. And other than the street sweepings who make up for their absence of any socially redeeming quality by speaking in loud voices, none of the decent crowd here are bothered to speak in a high voice (not being castrati) or loud voices, or even to notice your presence with any comment at all.

You are being addressed because your insolence is amusing. Do not think that you will be allowed to engage in conversation, for that reason; just say 'Ji Hukum' and buzz off.



Judging by your example, you are half right. It seems very likely that you have a bigger head and a smaller tool. Not to mention your 'lags', and your abuse of your limited brain by engaging in discussions with your elders and betters.

Seriously parsi stop talking about stuff you don't know. Idk why you mlecch feel like you're qualified to talk about things your adharmi mind doesn't understand.

 

[Zibago]

I am 27 and going to be 28 yrs of age soon...BTW you are one of the better posters from india so you should continue.

At this age you are driving away all feminine attention you can get

Well, I am not asking these questions for my knowledge rather I have some points because I know what load of crap is this story made by Darwin so as to explain the existence of the species from an atheists point of view.
Now ask yourself the question that was 50000 or 100000 years are enough for evolution? Definitely no... this whole crap is driven by an anti-religious bias of the atheists who want to deny the existence of the God and thus the creationism... There is nothing scientific in this megashit of evolution and you admitted that you can't answer my very basic questions and I just started.
These idiots called the evolutionists can only unsuspecting 11th grade students but can't fool a guy with moderate knowledge of science.

If evolution is fake explain different fur and skin colour of same species ?That is actually the most solid proof of evolution