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Turkey will produce its own Air Craft Carrier : Erdogan

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Bismarck said:
Weapons, Radar, E/O system and of course engine.
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Radar will be Aselsan ÇAFRAD. Some of the weapons will be Turkish, some foreign.

Do you have any info about that E/O system of the TF-2000, i think Aselsan would cover that area...but if you have some knowledge, feel free to share that info with us.
 
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Any time there is a military presence, even on home soil, there is a projection of PHYSICAL power. And it is to be at least worrisome, if not outright fear. In ancient Rome, governors/generals were to disband their legions before entering Italy, as in crossing the river Rubicon. That was fear.

Within this overall fear is the fear of a foreign military presence whether it is at one's borders or worse, inside one's borders. The longer the duration of this presence, the greater the intensity of this fear. It does not matter if this foreign military presence is authorized or not, authorized as in a mutual agreement between two or more parties. Just because the US have military garrisons in other countries by invitations of host countries, that does not mean host citizens, including the politicians that authorized those agreements, do not have apprehensions about US and our intentions. Less threatening but still worrisome is a foreign military presence that is outside one's borders but within combat range between that foreign military and one's own forces.

Since the world is mostly covered by water, navies are the preferred method of establishing military presence outside of one's home soil. If for clarity's sake, we need to classify what kind of power any country can have, then land armies are occupying powers while navies are projection powers. In this modern age, air power as a credible military force did not mature as that force until WW II. So for now, an air force could rightly be narrowly classified as a striking power. What this mean is that the countries that have access to the seas are the ones most likely to produce all three capabilities to varying degrees.

One capability may form later than others but usually an occupation power, the land army, is the first to be created. If the country is not an island but there is access to the seas then often both occupation and projection powers are parallel in creation. If the country is an island, then the projection power, the navy, is often the most capable in terms of technology and allocation of national resources to build up that power.

With the advent of the aircraft, it was inevitable that there is a combination of the projection and striking powers, aka the 'aircraft carrier'. WW II was the first to see this lethal combination in action where fleets can finally destroy each other without seeing each other as navies have done in the past. A battleship can destroy targets only as far as the ballistic arcs of its unpowered artillery shells and there are no flexibility in those shells, whether the targets are other ships or on land. For the targets, they can displace themselves to increase the odds of survival against the battleship. Not so against the aircraft as it can pursue the targets. This make the aircraft carrier even more unique and desirable than any other types of ships in terms of being a mean of creating wariness and even fear in countries beyond one's borders.

In sum, the organic nature of the aircraft carrier make it NEVER a defensive power but always an offensive one. We can pettily argue on what kind of aircraft is carried, fixed or rotary wings, but that argument would be about the reach of that type of aircraft to pursue and destroy targets. Against a country that is inferior in many ways, a rotary winged force is just as worrisome as the fixed winged force.
 
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gambit said:
Any time there is a military presence, even on home soil, there is a projection of PHYSICAL power. And it is to be at least worrisome, if not outright fear. In ancient Rome, governors/generals were to disband their legions before entering Italy, as in crossing the river Rubicon. That was fear.

Within this overall fear is the fear of a foreign military presence whether it is at one's borders or worse, inside one's borders. The longer the duration of this presence, the greater the intensity of this fear. It does not matter if this foreign military presence is authorized or not, authorized as in a mutual agreement between two or more parties. Just because the US have military garrisons in other countries by invitations of host countries, that does not mean host citizens, including the politicians that authorized those agreements, do not have apprehensions about US and our intentions. Less threatening but still worrisome is a foreign military presence that is outside one's borders but within combat range between that foreign military and one's own forces.

Since the world is mostly covered by water, navies are the preferred method of establishing military presence outside of one's home soil. If for clarity's sake, we need to classify what kind of power any country can have, then land armies are occupying powers while navies are projection powers. In this modern age, air power as a credible military force did not mature as that force until WW II. So for now, an air force could rightly be narrowly classified as a striking power. What this mean is that the countries that have access to the seas are the ones most likely to produce all three capabilities to varying degrees.

One capability may form later than others but usually an occupation power, the land army, is the first to be created. If the country is not an island but there is access to the seas then often both occupation and projection powers are parallel in creation. If the country is an island, then the projection power, the navy, is often the most capable in terms of technology and allocation of national resources to build up that power.

With the advent of the aircraft, it was inevitable that there is a combination of the projection and striking powers, aka the 'aircraft carrier'. WW II was the first to see this lethal combination in action where fleets can finally destroy each other without seeing each other as navies have done in the past. A battleship can destroy targets only as far as the ballistic arcs of its unpowered artillery shells and there are no flexibility in those shells, whether the targets are other ships or on land. For the targets, they can displace themselves to increase the odds of survival against the battleship. Not so against the aircraft as it can pursue the targets. This make the aircraft carrier even more unique and desirable than any other types of ships in terms of being a mean of creating wariness and even fear in countries beyond one's borders.

In sum, the organic nature of the aircraft carrier make it NEVER a defensive power but always an offensive one. We can pettily argue on what kind of aircraft is carried, fixed or rotary wings, but that argument would be about the reach of that type of aircraft to pursue and destroy targets. Against a country that is inferior in many ways, a rotary winged force is just as worrisome as the fixed winged force.
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Nice post bro, seems like you have experience in the military?


On topic, congrats to Turkey on setting itself ambitious goals. This is the way to go. Aim high and you'll achieve greater feats :tup:
 
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Sinan said:
Lol, this is going to spiral out of control, Guys, he is talking about the LHD.

JuanCarlos.jpg
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Patience, patience, patience my brother… ^ ^


Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier

HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08)












Juan Carlos I (L61) - TCG Anadolu (L408) -








@cabatli_53

“We greatly need these ships and then we will learn to use - it will be new for us - . And in a few tens of years when you (Turkey) have mastered the science of aircraft carrier, you will provide us.”

https://defence.pk/threads/turkish-lhd-program-news-discusions.293000/page-26#post-7488625


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cabatli_53 said:
I can't m friend. My responsibility is just inside of Turkey defence section!




:D A lazy student
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I know your work on CAFRAD and some weapons like Akkya Torpedo and ATMACA anti ship missile.

But not finished so far ;)

Sinan said:
Radar will be Aselsan ÇAFRAD. Some of the weapons will be Turkish, some foreign.

Do you have any info about that E/O system of the TF-2000, i think Aselsan would cover that area...but if you have some knowledge, feel free to share that info with us.
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I read an article about MilGem, they say the have some foreign E/O system, also sonar is foreign. http://quwa.org/2016/06/11/part-2-will-pakistan-gain-milgem/
 
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Turk-Power said:
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even German-Spanish-Japanese-S.Korean-Australian Frigates/Destroyers uses American Weapons or Radar or Battle Management System and Engine
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Nop ! For engine to German and Japanese - S.Korean only submarine -.

The single biggest problem (Regarding full independence - technology gap -) is the engine. It's the same for the program 'TFX, ATAK, Altay, TF-2000, TCG Anadolu (L408), Type 214 submarine'.

But for land and naval. This is in range, just a little effort :

https://defence.pk/threads/altay-mbt-program.211194/page-92#post-6910749

https://defence.pk/threads/altay-mbt-program.211194/page-92#post-6910855


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Turk-Power said:
What about American General Electric LM2500 gas turbine Engine for German Sachsen class Frigate , Italian Aircraft Carrier Cavour , Japanese Atago and Kongo class Destroyers , S.Korean Sejong the Great class Destroyer , French Horizon class Destroyer and Spanish Alvaro de Bazan class Frigate ?

so Germany..Fransa..Italy..Japan..S.Korea..Spain needs American General Electric LM2500 gas turbine Engine for CODAG propulsion System


also Spanish Alvaro de Bazan class Frigate , S.Korean Sejong the Great class Destroyer , Japanese Atago and Kongo class Destroyers and Australian Hobart class Destroyer uses American AN/SPY-1D Radar and AEGIS Battle Management System

also Spanish Alvaro de Bazan class Frigate , German Sachsen-class and F-125 class Frigates and Australian Hobart class Destroyer uses American HARPOON Anti ship missile


on the other hand Turkish TF-2000 class Frigate will use Turkish Aselsan CAFRAD Radar and Havelsan GENESIS Battle Management System and Roketsan ATMACA Anti ship Missile


also Turkey develops Engines for ALTAY Tank and ATAK Helicopter

and I believe that Turkey will develop diesel Engine for Naval Platforms in the next 10-12 years
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Old link :

https://defence.pk/threads/turkey-w...ft-carrier-erdogan.435619/page-4#post-8399624


German Sachsen-class frigate

- 2 MTU V20 diesel engines, 7.4 MW each with 1 General Electric LM2500 gas turbine


Japan Atago-class destroyer

- 4 Ishikawajima Harima with 1 General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbine


And I do not think germany or japan can not do gas turbines. It's only a matter of financial cost and ease. ;)


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Turkey is a real military power

Always felt when push comes to shove the 3 strongest islamic nations in the world in terms of military power industrial power and future potential are

Turkey
Iran
Indonesia

Turkey because it has open access to USA and Nato and their technology

Iran shear natural wealth and resources just needs to rejoin the world to regroup and achieve its natural place

Finally indoneasia the biggest GDP and the fastest growing of all Islamic nations

Saudi is shallow OIL RICH BROUGHT military power but not inheritant strength like the others.
 
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Turk-Power said:
TURKEY is only Muslim country that developed its own source codes....IFF System ...Electronic Systems...Targeting and Jamming Pods for Fighter Jets ( 163 of CCIP modernization F-16C/D )

also by 2004 Turkey was the 4th country in the World that developed Smart Bomb after the US..Russia and Israel

also Turkey develops Roketsan SOM-J network enabled Cruise Missile . Land attack / anti ship capability .... ( will have Supersonic speed with Roketsan RAMjet Engine )

also Turkey develops Aselsan AESA Radar which will use gallium nitride (GaN) technology ,,, SAHIN and GOKTUG Air to Air Missiles for Turkey's TAI TFX 5th gen stealth Fighter Jet Project


S.Arabia--Iran--Egypt--Indonesia-Pakistan should develop their own weapons and systems to become real Military Power

or Turkey-S.Arabia---Egypt--Indonesia--Pakistan together should develop weapons as like European Countries (Uk-France-Germany-Italy-Spain )

btw Turkey develops 416 Military Projects and in the next 10 years Turkey will manage a self realiance on weaponry from 60% to over 90%
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Why you remind me of Den ProHD? :D :D :D
 
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