Turkey wants to buy 40 new F-16 block70 and 80 F-16 modernization to the Viper standard

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Have you actually wondered if you're the bandit country and not everyone else? Just a thought. I mean,everyone considers you the culprit but you consider everyone else the bandit country? Really?

Turkey has good relations with Azerbaijan,Georgia,Russia,Ukraine,Bulgaria,İraq

only Greece is puppet of Bandit Countries like USA-France who attacked Afghanistan,İraq,Syria,Libya,Mali,etc

but Turkey is not Afghanistan,İraq,Syria,Libya,Mali,etc

Greece,Cyprus,Egypt,Israel,Iran,Syria,Armenia,UAE,France,USA,half of Libya and even Russia.

-- Egypt and The Uae are improving relations with Turkey ... there is no big problem to fight
-- İran always a rival against Turkey in the region
-- Russia and Turkey relation in the best period in history


100 years ago bandit countries USA-UK-France-Greece-Armenia attacked Turkey
today same senario



btw we dont care about anti-Turkey clown Menendez
by international law Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey has good relations with Azerbaijan,Georgia,Russia,Ukraine,Bulgaria,İraq

only Greece is puppet of Bandit Countries like USA-France who attacked Afghanistan,İraq,Syria,Libya,Mali,etc

Why are we a "puppet"? Because we have alliances? You have good relations with Azerbaijan because you're like Greece is with Serbia. You have good relations with Georgia because they contest Armenia,don't have a significant EEZ and are your pawn against the Russians.
You've backstabbed the Russians a gazillion times the last 8 years. Ukraine? You're also using them against Russia. Bulgaria,you've barely making it,you pissed them off with the immigrants as well. Iraq....so and so. There's Iraqis who don't want Turkey,there's Kurds who are ok with Turkey hitting other Kurds and then there's Kurds who are fighting you. PUK and PUD stuff. Peshmerga and PKK and Shia Iraqis and Turkmens.

In 2003 you wanted to rush in and northern Iraq with the excuse of protecting the Turkmens and fighting the Kurds. But Bush didn't let you. You know...the anti-american period in Turkey. Kurtlar Vadisi Irak,Metal Firtina etc.

Russia and Turkey relation in the best period in history

Dur ya...not best period in history. If that was true,then Erdy wouldn't have gone back from Moscow and asking for F-16 Vipers. Yeter...

by international law Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean

INTERNATIONAL LAW is what Greece uses and nobody except Turkey has a cucumber up their *** acting like the spoiled child who wants to grab other kids' toys and screams "Mine! Mine! Mine!"

You're the only ones who support this illogical idea. No,siktir git,these are our islands,our sea,our territory. Our turf. You're just thieves like you've been in your entire historical life,ever since the creation of Osman's devlet. Go to the Black Sea and mine your fictional gas reserves

 

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Why are we a "puppet"?

-- Your Greece also was puppet to use by Western Powers against the Ottoman Empire in 1800s

-- Your Greece also was puppet to use by British against Turkey between 1919 and 1922 to take oil reserves in İraq ( Mosul-Kirkuk )

Greeks died in wars against the Turks but smart British took oil reserves in İraq ( Mosul-Kirkuk )
France lost in southern front , Armenia lost in eastern front , İtaly withdrew forces and Greeks lost in western front

RESULT : Turkish victory


-- today same senario , Your Greece is puppet to use by USA-İsrael-France to steal oil/gas reserves in the Eastern Mediterranean

that will be so late for Greece when Turks re-take İslands in the Aegean in the next war

Dur ya...not best period in history. If that was true,then Erdy wouldn't have gone back from Moscow and asking for F-16 Vipers. Yeter...

I am saying again Russia and Turkey relation in the best period in history

if Turkey wants F-16V from USA , İts not against Russia
but against France-Greece RAFALE deal

INTERNATIONAL LAW is what Greece uses and nobody except Turkey has a cucumber up their *** acting like the spoiled child who wants to grab other kids' toys and screams "Mine! Mine! Mine!"

and Seville Map has no legal valid by international law

even USA - The EU says Seville Map has no valid


Greece is daydreamer , therefore Western Powers always use Greece a pawn against Turkey

 

[Foinikas]

-- today same senario , Your Greece is puppet to use by USA-İsrael-France to steal oil/gas reserves in the Eastern Mediterranean

that will be so late for Greece when Turks re-take İslands in the Aegean in the next war

Get it in your thick skull,all maps and all countries,the UN,the EU and NATO,everyone recognizes our EEZ,our naval borders. You just suddenly woke up when you heard we'll drill and said "what,hey,we want part of the pie" and invented this story of "Mavi Vatan". A clearly revisionist,imperialistic and aggressive doctrine that aims at grabbing half the Aegean islands,our EEZ and territory.

So at least STOP PLAYING VICTIM and admit you're the thief here. At least stop acting like you are the victim. You're the grabbers everywhere you go. In every country and every war you are involved in. You wanna grab.

Greece has always been on the side of International Law and legality. It's your boss who is dreaming of neo-Ottoman Empire and uniting the Turkic peoples and re-conquering the Balkans and reaching Libya and Somalia and taking Palestine.

When the slap comes though...either from America or Russia,it will be very painful and will you wake you up for good.

 

[CHI RULES]

The Turkish Ministry of Defense sent a Letter of Request (LoR) to the American government for the acquisition of 40 new F-16C/D Block 70 Viper Fighter Jets as well as the modernization of a total of 80 existing Turkish F-16s to the Viper standard


-- 40 new F-16 block70
-- 80 F-16 modernization to the Viper standard



F-16 Block70

-- APG-83 AESA radar ... ( The APG-83 provides F-16s with 5th Generation fighter radar capabilities )
-- New avionics architecture
-- New mission computer and electronic warfare suite
-- The new Center Pedestal Display (CPD) which provides critical tactical imagery to pilots on a high-resolution 6”x 8” screen
-- Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System (Auto GCAS)
-- The Night Vision Imaging System
-- The Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing System II
-- SNIPER Advanced Targeting Pod
-- IRST (Infrared Search and Track)
-- Conformal fuel tanks
-- Extended structural service life of 12,000 hours
-- General Electric F110-GE-132 Engine rated at 32,500 lbf (144 kN) of afterburning thrust

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Turkish wants new F-16 Vipers & modernization of existing fighters in a strategic reaction to Greece's moves - ProtoThema English

Will the US sell the Vipers to Turkey & what repercussions will that have on the Greek-American MDCA agreement that is being negotiated

en.protothema.gr

Can you please state the estimated range of APG83 and why Turkey is requesting US upgrades as they are developing their V standard gadgets.

It's funny because once again,it shows Erdogan's character and mindset:

He stubbornly refused to throw away the S-400s and stop his approach to Russia.He mocked the Americans about it.

When he came back from NY,he was angry because Biden didn't even meet him and then he announced he would buy a second batch of S-400s and also jet fighters,submarines,aircraft engines,aircraft and other equipment from Russia. He met with Putin and came back disappointed.

And now,after boasting that they would upgrade the F-16s on their own...they try to appease the Americans and find a realistic solution to the THKs problems.

As per my humble opinion it is an open fact that US tech is still superior in the world and should be 1st choice if available, even EU gadgets are more or less not equal to US. especially in case of fighter jets.

 

[CHI RULES]

Indonesia nominal GDP in 2009 is also already 920 billion USD. No one attack Turkish economy, whole developing countries were also experiencing sharp currency depreciation since that period, you can check Iran nominal GDP which is also stagnant and lost value, same with other developing countries like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh.

The reason is tapering policy by US Fed.

Turkey problem is also caused by Erdogan that interfere in Turkish Central Bank policy.

Rules of free economy do not work in developing countries like Pakistan at least in Pakistan the Govt economic policies may pose a threat to current Govt. There are many issues in developing countries, at least in Pakistan the Govt is ineffective against cartels/monopolies, so market players by unfair means do temporarily fluctuate the dollar value on daily basis and making billions meanwhile general public, especially lower to middle class is heavily suffering. Their should be controlled economy in developing countries or they should discard use of dollar for their trade. In Iran the general public is suffering from price fluctuations, the Govt's iron hand and their oil reserves are saving them so far. Turkey's efforts to start a joint currency like Euro and other economic steps with Muslim\ Allied countries were sabotaged by KSA in recent past. The traitors within these countries are the main problem. Turkey is on right track only they require few more years to become fully independent from US traps.

 

[CHI RULES]

Get it in your thick skull,all maps and all countries,the UN,the EU and NATO,everyone recognizes our EEZ,our naval borders. You just suddenly woke up when you heard we'll drill and said "what,hey,we want part of the pie" and invented this story of "Mavi Vatan". A clearly revisionist,imperialistic and aggressive doctrine that aims at grabbing half the Aegean islands,our EEZ and territory.

So at least STOP PLAYING VICTIM and admit you're the thief here. At least stop acting like you are the victim. You're the grabbers everywhere you go. In every country and every war you are involved in. You wanna grab.

Greece has always been on the side of International Law and legality. It's your boss who is dreaming of neo-Ottoman Empire and uniting the Turkic peoples and re-conquering the Balkans and reaching Libya and Somalia and taking Palestine.

When the slap comes though...either from America or Russia,it will be very painful and will you wake you up for good.

Nations when take stand have to pay the price, Turkish intentions more or less quite right as many Muslims from other countries also wish revival of Ottoman style block at least Turkey is joining hands with other countries as allies not like KSA or Arab world who have sold their fate and honor to west including Greece. If Europe and Arabs are helping Greece then Turkey also has allies and another block is in making, the balance of power is necessary in the world. ( Please do not get my post in context of Greece-Turkish bilateral issues)

Turkey has good relations with Azerbaijan,Georgia,Russia,Ukraine,Bulgaria,İraq

only Greece is puppet of Bandit Countries like USA-France who attacked Afghanistan,İraq,Syria,Libya,Mali,etc

but Turkey is not Afghanistan,İraq,Syria,Libya,Mali,etc





-- Egypt and The Uae are improving relations with Turkey ... there is no big problem to fight
-- İran always a rival against Turkey in the region
-- Russia and Turkey relation in the best period in history


100 years ago bandit countries USA-UK-France-Greece-Armenia attacked Turkey
today same senario



btw we dont care about anti-Turkey clown Menendez
by international law Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean

Due to economic interests soon we may see Iran and Turkey joining hands. It is Iran's extremist sectarian policy which is a big hurdle for creation of joint block including Turkey, Pakistan, Iran and other allies.

 

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Get it in your thick skull,all maps and all countries,the UN,the EU and NATO,everyone recognizes our EEZ,our naval borders.

the UN recognized MAVI VATAN and maritime agreement with Libya

Greece has always been on the side of International Law and legality.

Greece has no any right in the Eastern Mediterranean by international law

international law says
Greek Islands dont have Continental Shelf of 200 nm , only Territorial Water of 6nm
because of Greece is not Island State like Indonesia , Philippines , New Zelland , etc

a tiny Greek Island which is just 10 km2 and 580 km away from Greek Mainland and just 2 km away from Turkish Mainland can not generate EEZ of 200 nm

so Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island

When the slap comes though...either from America or Russia,it will be very painful and will you wake you up for good.

wth are USA-Russia-France are doing in Syria,Libya,Eastern Mediterranean ?
even They have no any borderline in Syria,Libya,Eastern Mediterranean

Turkey protect itself from Bandit Countries and their terrorists

 

[Foinikas]

the UN recognized MAVI VATAN and maritime agreement with Libya

No they didn't,stop lying. Libya isn't unified.There's a ceasefire,the war hasn't ended.The two governments haven't united and the "agreement" is not valid.

because of Greece is not Island State like Indonesia , Philippines , New Zelland , etc

Greece IS an island State,half the country is made of islands. Wake up. See a map.

Nations when take stand have to pay the price, Turkish intentions more or less quite right as many Muslims from other countries also wish revival of Ottoman style block at least Turkey is joining hands with other countries as allies not like KSA or Arab world who have sold their fate and honor to west including Greece. If Europe and Arabs are helping Greece then Turkey also has allies and another block is in making, the balance of power is necessary in the world. ( Please do not get my post in context of Greece-Turkish bilateral issues)

The problem is that this balance between Greece and Turkey has shifted to Turkey's favor the last 12 years. Our armed forces had been neglected so much,that now we are trying to catch up. The Turks had been producing or trying to buy all kinds of weapons for the last 10 years at least and they ended up with all these projects and shipbuilding,drones and armored vehicles etc. And they have the audacity to complain that we are trying to have an arms race. It's like India accuses you of war-loving every time Pakistan buys something new for their army.

 

[MMM-E]

Can you please state the estimated range of APG83

APG-83 Radar can engage on Rafale from 120 km away



Estimated detection ranges vs scan angle 0 against a target of 1 m² RCS

why Turkey is requesting US upgrades as they are developing their V standard gadgets.

USA allowed Turkey to modernize only 35 F-16 block-30s with Turkish Systems and Weapons

 

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No they didn't,stop lying. Libya isn't unified.There's a ceasefire,the war hasn't ended.The two governments haven't united and the "agreement" is not valid.

Turkey: UN registers maritime deal reached with Tripoli

U.N. registers Turkey-Libya maritime deal - Turkish ministry

Turkey's Defence Ministry said on Friday that a maritime demarcation agreement between Ankara and Libya's internationally recognised government was registered by the United Nations.

www.reuters.com

HAFTAR and LNA are nothing
The UN recognized legal Libyan Government is GNA in Tripoli

Greece IS an island State,half the country is made of islands. Wake up. See a map.

ISLAND State = İndonesia , Philippines , New Zelland , etc

Greece is not an ISLAND State
Therefore Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island
its international law

The problem is that this balance between Greece and Turkey has shifted to Turkey's favor the last 12 years. Our armed forces had been neglected so much,that now we are trying to catch up. The Turks had been producing or trying to buy all kinds of weapons for the last 10 years at least and they ended up with all these projects and shipbuilding,drones and armored vehicles etc. And they have the audacity to complain that we are trying to have an arms race. It's like India accuses you of war-loving every time Pakistan buys something new for their army.

Dont compare your tiny weak Country Greece with regional power Turkey
Our rival is France, not tiny Greece


You pray for ERDOGAN that He spent over $1 trillion for public projects in the last 19 years instead of buying weapons

even Turkey spent around $100 billion for humanitarian aid to muslim countries since 2011
Turkey would buy Egypt+Greece+İsrael militaries combined for $100 billion


btw Turkey created its own defense Industry after 2004 to be self-sufficiency by 90% in 2030 , now 70%

Greece never can match with Turkey ( for military-economy and population )

 

[Foinikas]

Greece is not an ISLAND State
Therefore Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island

Hal the country is made of islands. Greece has about 1,200-6,000 islands and about 227 are inhabited.

Nobody had a problem with our EEZ and nobody claimed it's "against international law". All law-abiding countries support us.
You suddenly woke up and demand half our EEZ,because you can't fathom the idea of "tiny Greece drilling for oil and gas while superpower Turkiye isn't allowed there".

Dont compare your tiny weak Country Greece with regional power Turkey
Our rival is France, not tiny Greece

Yeah I've heard that before.

HAFTAR and LNA are nothing
The UN recognized legal Libyan Government is GNA in Tripoli

"The maritime deal was canceled by the Al-Bayda Court of Appeals of Libya in its 27 January 2021 ruling. The court ruled in favor of the Libyan House of Representatives which filed a lawsuit to declare the Memorandum as invalid.[48][70][71] Unlike Turkey, Libya is a signatory to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which defined the exclusive economic zone of Greece in 1982."

 

[Attila the Hun]

Why are we a "puppet"? Because we have alliances? You have good relations with Azerbaijan because you're like Greece is with Serbia. You have good relations with Georgia because they contest Armenia,don't have a significant EEZ and are your pawn against the Russians.

In your own words, Turkiye is NOT a super power. Turkiye is weak. So what use are we against a superpower like Russia? Make sense of that please.

You've backstabbed the Russians a gazillion times the last 8 years.

How can a weak Turkey backstab a superpower like Russia? If you mention USA, you just said USA and EU are angry with Turkey because Erdogan, no?

You're also using them against Russia.

Ah yes. Ukraine is standing on her feet because of mighty Turkey LOL

Bulgaria,you've barely making it,you pissed them off with the immigrants as well.

Not sure even Bulgarians want to stay in Bulgaria.

protecting the Turkmens and fighting the Kurds.

Is that bad?

 

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Hal the country is made of islands. Greece has about 1,200-6,000 islands

Even you dont know what about Island State

Greece is not an Island State
Greek Mainland is belong to European Continent

Article 46 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea stipulates that an “archipelagic State” means a State “constituted wholly by one or more archipelagos and may include other islands”. ...
But Greece is not an “Archipelagic State”

so Greek EEZ should start from Greek Mainland ,, not from every tiny Greek Island
its international law

Yeah I've heard that before.

as like 1922 and 1974
daydreamer Greece

 

[Foinikas]

In your own words, Turkiye is NOT a super power. Turkiye is words. So what use are we against a superpower like Russia? Make sense of that please.

From what seems,Erdogan,Cavusoglu ve Hakar think Russia can manage against anyone. Georgia can be used as a small proxy against Russia in any way. You see how the Georgians helped you during the war last year. They let Turkish airplanes fly through their airspace to land in Azerbaijan. It makes sense to use their relative anti-Russian sentiments.

as like 1922 and 1974
daydreamer Greece

Almost reaching Ankara is a pretty big feat for a "weak country" like us,don't you think? No,don't give me the excuses of "we were fighting everyone". You only had some Armenians in the East and and the rest left on their own. Germany and the Soviet Union were helping Kemal and the British did nothing to aid us. So it's a pretty big feat to march all the way to almost Ankara.

How can a weak Turkey backstab a superpower like Russia? If you mention USA, you just said USA and EU are angry with Turkey because Erdogan, no?

2015 Su-24 shootdown in Syria was perceived by the Russians as a backstab. I think Putin even said it. Later they considered Turkey's meddling against the SAA in Idlib and the attacks against the SDF as meddling with their plans in Syria. After that there was Libya,then it was the deals with Ukraine. Erdogan's constantly making deals with Putin then does something to annoy him,then makes some other deal,then goes against him...lol

Ah yes. Ukraine is standing on her feet because of mighty Turkey LOL

It doesn't matter! The Russians don't like it. I mean,you know very well they don't want Bayraktars and other systems at their doorstep,right?

Not sure even Bulgarians want to stay in Bulgaria.

I agree on that

Is that bad?

No,but it was an excuse to grab the oil of Kirkuk But anyway,Bush didn't let that happen. And the whole Kurtlar Vadisi Irak started...