Turkey wants Israel to upgrade systems with M60 tanks

[bsruzm]

Guys, drop the hostility against the Israeli member

we should suplly them weapons they sell us oil and we can give them modern weapons instead of money they need it

"Israel is our only friend in the Middle East"

 

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"Israel is our only friend in the Middle East"

@dani958 is not responsible for this article nor for the decisions of the Israeli government. He is just a human being like ourselves.

 

[bsruzm]

@dani958 is not responsible for this article nor for the decisions of the Israeli government. He is just a human being like ourselves.

I don't have such stomach. I don't like humanity already.

we should suplly them weapons they sell us oil and we can give them modern weapons instead of money they need it

 

[mike2000 is back]

Israel and Turkey have a kind of neutral relationship, even though they have some conflict of interests when it comes to Hamas(which Turkey still backs to some extent) and Kurds (which Israel views favorably in the region).Apart from that, the two countries have been engaged in fruitful cooperation and partnerships and they have had fairly good relations(apart from flotilla incident which chilled relations). They are both pragmatic countries and often engage in WIN-WIN cooperation when they can both benefit something from each other. That's exactly how matured powers behave.

Plus i don't understand why a minority of Turkish members on here react with hostility towards this news article(which isn't confirmed yet). Afterall, Israel has upgraded quite a few Turkish military systems in the past and both country have had a fruitful defence cooperation for a while now. Israel has participated in so many Turkish military projetcs/upgrades worth billions of dollars , from Modernization of Turkey's F-4 phantoms and F-5 aircrafts, Upgrading 170 of Turkey's M60A1 tanks(which is similar to what the article is talking about), sale o Popeye-II surface-to-air missiles,sale of Heron UAVs, both agreed to Arrow anti-ballistic-missiles, sales (even though U.S approval was needed before the deal could go through if i remember correctly), both country also exchanged pilots training in each other territories and conducted naval drills together with he U.S etc etc.

So i don't see whats the big deal here with this small upgrade issue..

 

[flamer84]

Israel and Turkey have a kind of neutral relationship, even though they have some conflict of interests when it comes to Hamas(which Turkey still backs to some extent) and Kurds (which Israel views favorably in the region).Apart from that, the two countries have been engaged in fruitful cooperation and partnerships and they have had fairly good relations(apart from flotilla incident which chilled relations). They are both pragmatic countries and often engage in WIN-WIN cooperation when they can both benefit something from each other. That's exactly how matured powers behave.

Plus i don't understand why a minority of Turkish members on here react with hostility towards this news article(which isn't confirmed yet). Afterall, Israel has upgraded quite a few Turkish military systems in the past and both country have had a fruitful defence cooperation for a while now. Israel has participated in so many Turkish military projetcs/upgrades worth billions of dollars , from Modernization of Turkey's F-4 phantoms and F-5 aircrafts, Upgrading 170 of Turkey's M60A1 tanks(which is similar to what the article is talking about), sale o Popeye-II surface-to-air missiles,sale of Heron UAVs, both agreed to Arrow anti-ballistic-missiles, sales (even though U.S approval was needed before the deal could go through if i remember correctly), both country also exchanged pilots training in each other territories and conducted naval drills together with he U.S etc etc.

So i don't see whats the big deal here with this small upgrade issue..

They allready upgraded Turkish tanks in the 90's and there was cooperation in many military projects,Israeli weapons were sold to Turkey until Erdogan decided to play the caliph and stick its nose in Israeli affairs.It's only fair for Israel to respond in kind but indoctrinated akp-peons can't see the forest because of the trees.

 

[Attila the Hun]

They allready upgraded Turkish tanks in the 90's and there was cooperation in many military projects,Israeli weapons were sold to Turkey until Erdogan decided to play the caliph and stick its nose in Israeli affairs.It's only fair for Israel to respond in kind but indoctrinated akp-peons can't see the forest because of the trees.

AKP and Israel are buddies now. I guess Israel does not mind Erdogan anymore?
Anyways, this is the middle east, alliances chop and change every few months.

 

[Orez]

I'm for a better relationship with Israel, and yes I'm AKP supporter.

Frankly Turkey's neighbours are shithole.....in 2011 break up with Isreal was good pragmatic decision to try to have the leadership to the news democratics muslim country (arab spring), that didn't work Egypt has new dictator and Assad never fall....in 2016 arab country can give nothing to Turkey so why not to be "friend" with Israel ?

And I think we must abandon Hamas....I don't really care about them but Turkey has a weakness which is PKK which has already many country helping and founding them....

But we must wait little bit....we still don't know what Syria will become, and Turkey still cannot be seeing like Israel friend if we must go all out in Syria.

 

[flamer84]

AKP and Israel are buddies now. I guess Israel does not mind Erdogan anymore?
Anyways, this is the middle east, alliances chop and change every few months.

Maybe but even sane person knows that it was a mistake and served no purpose.Even many Turkish posters in here know that I'm right.

What did he gain by antagonising Israel only to backtrack in the end ? Just agressive rhetoric and humiliation in the flotilla incident.He than barked at Egypt loosing lucrative economic/military deals,all for nothing.Than was the Russia fiasco,all that agressive rhetoric only to backtrack yet again,loosing money in the meantime.Now he rages at Irak with useless nationalist rhetoric but he's yet again ignored on the ground.

 

[mike2000 is back]

They allready upgraded Turkish tanks in the 90's and there was cooperation in many military projects,Israeli weapons were sold to Turkey until Erdogan decided to play the caliph and stick its nose in Israeli affairs.It's only fair for Israel to respond in kind but indoctrinated akp-peons can't see the forest because of the trees.

Well, its true that Israel had quite good relations with Israel until Erdogan became prime minister and after a few years began his caliph Islamist policies which kind of halted relations between both countries. This made Turkey cancel billions of dollars worth of defence contracts that were awarded or in the process of being awarded to Israeli defence companies like Turkey suspended a 5 billion dollar deal for 1,000 Merkava mark 3 tanks. Turkey also dropped Israelis Arrow 2 anti-ballistic missile system worth $2 billion from bidding. Now only U.S, European, and Chinese companies could/can bid for these contract etc . So i agree Erdogans policies indeed led to a deterioration of relations with Israel and almost all Turkeys neighbors as well to be honest.
Anyway, Erdogan seems to have realized his Islamic caliph policies only brought more problems/issues for Turkey, its commendable that he is now mending/normalizing relations with Israel and many other countries like even Egypt,and Russia, as far it serves his country's interests i see nothing wrong with that.

I'm for a better relationship with Israel, and yes I'm AKP supporter.

Frankly Turkey's neighbours are shithole.....in 2011 break up with Isreal was good pragmatic decision to try to have the leadership to the news democratics muslim country (arab spring), that didn't work Egypt has new dictator and Assad never fall....in 2016 arab country can give nothing to Turkey so why not to be "friend" with Israel ?

And I think we must abandon Hamas....I don't really care about them but Turkey has a weakness which is PKK which has already many country helping and founding them....

But we must wait little bit....we still don't know what Syria will become, and Turkey still cannot be seeing like Israel friend if we must go all out in Syria.

To be honest, the Arabs and Muslim countries in general in the region have nothing whatsoever to offer Turkey that Turkey doesn't already have. If anything overall i will say Turkey is the most advanced Muslim country out there. So its only realpolitik to have good relations with countries like Israel or other western countries(and even Russia) who are more advanced and can offer something of value to Turkey. Realpolitik.
Every country always follows their national interests.The rest is all secondary. Money talk bullshit walks.

 

[Baybars Han]

why?

Because even upgrades have a limit. It's a very old chassis, the engine is old. Too much cost when Altay is on its way. Our priority should be air defence urgently.

 

[flamer84]

Anyway, Erdogan seems to have realized his Islamic caliph policies only brought more problems/issues for Turkey, its commendable that he is now mending/normalizing relations with Israel and many other countries like even Egypt,and Russia, as far it serves his country's interests i see nothing wrong with that.

There's nothing wrong in mending ties,just that he cost Turkey money,credibility and tarnished its reputation.He's lucky that the other parties seem to have semi incompetent leaders,the only thing he had going for him was the economy but even that is slowing now.I see Turkish posters pinning their hopes on Saudi money,but,as we saw with Egypt,Saudi money are fickle,they come with Saudi expectations to tow their line and I predict that Erdogan being Erdogan and a MB lover will step on that lightbulb soon enough.

Who do you think trusts him on the international arena now ? The man changed his foreign policy more often than his underwear.

 

[Baybars Han]

Maybe but even sane person knows that it was a mistake and served no purpose.Even many Turkish posters in here know that I'm right.

What did he gain by antagonising Israel only to backtrack in the end ? Just agressive rhetoric and humiliation in the flotilla incident.He than barked at Egypt loosing lucrative economic/military deals,all for nothing.Than was the Russia fiasco,all that agressive rhetoric only to backtrack yet again,loosing money in the meantime.Now he rages at Irak with useless nationalist rhetoric but he's yet again ignored on the ground.

He's one of our worst leaders in the Republic era but people are going to wake up later. His foreign policy is can't be supported by us because we don't have enough '' hard '' power for that atm.

 

[Baybars Han]

There's nothing wrong in mending ties,just that he cost Turkey money,credibility and tarnished its reputation.He's lucky that the other parties seem to have semi incompetent leaders,the only thing he had going for him was the economy but even that is slowing now.I see Turkish posters pinning their hopes on Saudi money,but,as we saw with Egypt,Saudi money are fickle,they come with Saudi expectations to tow their line and I predict that Erdogan being Erdogan and a MB lover will step on that lightbulb soon enough.

Who do you think trusts him on the international arena now ? The man changed his foreign policy more often than his underwear.

A hospital is built and he does a opening ceremony as if he's opening something the world hasn't seen. A simple building is built and he does a ceremony lol. Retarded people in village see it and think oh wow look we are progressing, because their only source is television. Thats like 10% of his 40-50% voters, 25-35% is pure islamist religious nitrous and the other 10% is people who don't like the opposition and think their worthless.

 

[mike2000 is back]

There's nothing wrong in mending ties,just that he cost Turkey money,credibility and tarnished its reputation.He's lucky that the other parties seem to have semi incompetent leaders,the only thing he had going for him was the economy but even that is slowing now.I see Turkish posters pinning their hopes on Saudi money,but,as we saw with Egypt,Saudi money are fickle,they come with Saudi expectations to tow their line and I predict that Erdogan being Erdogan and a MB lover will step on that lightbulb soon enough.

Who do you think trusts him on the international arena now ? The man changed his foreign policy more often than his underwear.

Agree, I can only imagine if he ruled Turkey at a very crucial turning point like during Ataturk's era, then Turkey wont be any different from Pakistan/Yemen today suffering from internal instability and Islamic extremism all over the country. Turkey is very lucky they had a great secular pragmatic leader like Ataturk, he helped set up a very solid forward looking foundation for Turkey based on merit,science, knowledge, separation of religion from state etc etc. These were all crucial for Turkey's prosperity and helped the country gain an edge over its other troubled/unstable neighbors in the region still grappling with sectarian/religious instability.

 

[Stimpy75]

Yes Atatürk was a good leader
So good that this p.o.s inönü put him under house arrest and completely sold off turkey
Thx to this pos inönü we have been fallen back in all fields
We are catching up slowly in the last years
Could you imagine in what a position we could have been if that pos didn't close our aircraft and engine industry for example?
And because of this I hate all chp politicians and those who vote for those morons
Just my 2 cents