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Luxembourg, Estonia, Latvia etc are NATO too.. they must be of highly quality wise , say for example than China. what do you say??
Turkey was allowed to join NATO during the cold war to keep Russia in Check.
Turkey is no longer needed into NATO.
There are talks of kicking Turkey out of NATO if it becomes a headache for NATO if it keeps challenging Israel.
It has already been denied EU membership time and again.
This has forced Turkey to reconsider its geo-strategic priorities and is precisely the reason why Turkey is now looking east towards Iran and other eastern states.
Moreover, India is the biggest strategic partner outside NATO. If ever there is a war between Turkey and India, I doubt NATO would interfere. They'd rather kick turkey out for all the trouble it is fomenting.
yes as far as as the weaponry is concerned we have no doubts since internet is there to help us. As per quality wise, since there are no wars looming, the quality has to be determined based on the exercises and training they get.
We here have Army, Navy and Air-force exercises in a regular basis on national and international basis that too with the best in the world. Like wise the training and know-how the PAF gets on exercises like redflag makes them a true potent force and one of the best.
Now your turn sir.
things worked out well, I dont see USSR on the map anymore
I think it's in NATO's interests to have an industrialized and progressive Muslim country like Turkiye to be ''on board''
Turkiye was never kicked out for not allowing U.S. forces to use Turkish soil to invade Iraq in 2003....
More pertinently, Turkiye has never militarily threatened israil; they just vowed to limit cooperation in all fields with them (as well as denying israilys the right to use their air space)
there are many FOR and many AGAINST her membership, and quite frankly --seeing what happened to Greece has left a bad taste in many peoples' mouthes. Nationalism is again rising in Europe. I don't see a good future for the EU.
Turkiye is undergoing a period of neo-Ottomanism (as i like to call it) and I think their real growth lies in looking East --politically and economically. It's already happening.
When you say ''looking towards Iran'' I don't really see what you mean. They are just having an independent foreign policy and looking after their own interests ---nothing wrong with that, I respect it.
First of all, I doubt a war breaking out between the 2 countries; but NATO was nowhere to be seen when Russia invaded Georgia a couple years back.
Suffice to say, india would lose a lot and gain nothing if they went to war. I can't think of any Muslim country that does not view Turkiye in high regards.
Given our very close ties to Turkiye, I don't think we'd sit idly either. hindustan would just once again be shooting itself in the foot if such a hypothetical scenario were to unfold
I doubt Turkey or Pakistan had anything to do with it other than to lease their land for NATO.
It sure is in NATO's interests but it doesn't outweigh NATO's interest in Israel. Turkey needs to understand that. It is alienating itself from NATO by giving ultimatums to Israel, which Israel ignores. It doesn't add any weight to Turkey, but is only forcing NATO to reconsider its priorities.
Same way it is in Turkiye's interest to be in NATO as it grants them access to modern war technology
Turkey is providing logistical support to NATO forces in Iraq war. In fact turkey is considering going to war with Iraq and was asked to keep quiet by US. Turkey is suffering from Iraqi terrorists who attack Turkey on its own border. Turkey shelled Iraq and used gunships to drive the PKK terrorists out of its border. Turkey is not the end-all, do-all of Muslims as Pakistani people perceive it, far from it.
Turkey is traversing a very dangerous path and is balancing a very tight rope. Turkey's vote against sanctions on Iran has been taken note of by NATO members. If Turkey is indeed going through a phase of Ottomanism they are going down a very dangerous path potentially. They don't have the resources, economically and militarily to become a neo-Ottomon empire.
You can respect it all you want, NATO is not respecting it. They are taking notes for now.
Exactly. There is no possibility of a war breaking out between India and Turkey. Georgia is not a NATO member and Russia showed how it can never become a NATO member. Georgia's NATO membership has been hanging in limbo ever since.
India would lose a lot, Turkey would lose a lot more. India buys enough arms to muscle NATO into isolating Turkey if war breaks out (although there is no reason for it to break out).
Now we're talking. That is what Pakistan would want. Neither Turkey nor India wants this to happen. Indian firms are working on revamping Ankara airport. India's trade relations with Turkey has grown 300% in 5 years and far exceeded Turkey-Pakistan trade. That itself will tell you where India stands vis-a-vis Turkey and Pakistan.
Turkiye does all the afore-mentioned ....in fact they also host a lot of military exercises as well (heard of Anadolu Kartalı? mere example)
there is no rift in india and turkey.wat is the meaning of this thread
Turkey is a Nuclear state and they are able to carry out a Counter Nuclear strike if they needed.
BTW Good Luck with Fighting Turkey , you would be fighting against NATO too
Don't you think Pakistan, China, Bangladesh, Srilanka etc. enough neighbor that you fight all the time and interfere in their personnel business and now you guys want Turkey too.
We shouldn't forget policies of Indian hawkish elements towards Pakistan and Turkey is same because Muslims of Turkey,Pakistan Afghanistan and others rule India for 1,000 years. They do not express it openly but it is a fact.
I would say the thread is useless because India is very weak nation as compared to Turkey.
Turkey has a strong industrial base where India imports majority of its modern weapons.
But i warn you not to underestimate the power of Turkey, every Turkish men have military training because of conscription. Turkish army has the ability to reach 20 million manpower in 72 hours.
If we ignore the geography, it could be a real BLOODY war..
India is no match for Turkey. Even with nukes as a NATO ally Turkey is attacked by India with them Turkey will respond in kind. Turkey has several dozen B-61 --Thermonuclear Bombs (stationed in Turkey) which India does not have.
And if India does somehow gets the upperhand (impossible chance) ALL the NATO countries will intervene and send India back to the Flinstone era.
if they fought in some neutral venue, the Turks would stomp them like bugs
Turkish People: We are not enemies with India
Indian People: We are not enemies with Turkey
Pakistani People: Turkey! Turkey! Turkey! Fight with us against India,
you must be slightly delusional. Turkiye is a NATO country (2nd largest Armed Forces in NATO after U.S.)
they have a weapons/defence industry that is FARRR ahead of yours; and dont talk about quality or training because being a NATO country entails you must meet and maintain certain operating standards among all 3 services
1 in 4 flat screen televisions (along with other goods) in the EU market originate from Turkiye. I think it's a blessing in disguise for Turkiye to NOT be a part of the EU. Their goods are still extremely competitive.
Suffice to say, india would lose a lot and gain nothing if they went to war. I can't think of any Muslim country that does not view Turkiye in high regards. Given our very close ties to Turkiye, I don't think we'd sit idly either. hindustan would just once again be shooting itself in the foot if such a hypothetical scenario were to unfold
I doubt Turkey or Pakistan had anything to do with it other than to lease their land for NATO.
It sure is in NATO's interests but it doesn't outweigh NATO's interest in Israel. Turkey needs to understand that. It is alienating itself from NATO by giving ultimatums to Israel, which Israel ignores.
It doesn't add any weight to Turkey, but is only forcing NATO to reconsider its priorities.
Turkey is providing logistical support to NATO forces in Iraq war.
In fact turkey is considering going to war with Iraq and was asked to keep quiet by US.
Turkey is suffering from Iraqi terrorists who attack Turkey on its own border.
Turkey shelled Iraq and used gunships to drive the PKK terrorists out of its border. Turkey is not the end-all, do-all of Muslims as Pakistani people perceive it, far from it.
Turkey is traversing a very dangerous path and is balancing a very tight rope.
Turkey's vote against sanctions on Iran has been taken note of by NATO members. If Turkey is indeed going through a phase of Ottomanism they are going down a very dangerous path potentially. They don't have the resources, economically and militarily to become a neo-Ottomon empire.
You can respect it all you want, NATO is not respecting it. They are taking notes for now.
Exactly. There is no possibility of a war breaking out between India and Turkey.
Georgia is not a NATO member and Russia showed how it can never become a NATO member. Georgia's NATO membership has been hanging in limbo ever since.
India would lose a lot, Turkey would lose a lot more. India buys enough arms to muscle NATO into isolating Turkey if war breaks out (although there is no reason for it to break out).
Indian firms are working on revamping Ankara airport. India's trade relations with Turkey has grown 300% in 5 years and far exceeded Turkey-Pakistan trade. That itself will tell you where India stands vis-a-vis Turkey and Pakistan.
only an Indian troll can come with lame comments like this if you happen to have a perfect pair of eyes then please bother to see who started the thread, as for Pakistanis defending the thread it only speaks of their affection for an other Muslim state which defies your delusions about Ummah. so to sum it up get over yourself! & try to over come your obsession with Pakistan.
a pretty much useless thread,from when turkey and India became enemy,this thread must b started by some Pakistani fan boy,because of the faith of ummah,they just call in each and every Islamic nation to join their war as they have no other work to do,and also i have seen many Pakistani bragging about turkey only to hide their incompetence
whatever could be done, was done.
Our land was never leased to anyone, we allowed our land to be used to funnel weapons and goods to anti soviet mujahideen; and it was the right thing that we did.
Turkiye is the first country which israil was literally forced to apologize to. They never even apologized to the U.S. over USS Liberty incident (which i have brought up numerous times already)
patch me to an article or op ed that is a bit more convincing
No new news; doesnt mean they allowed the land to be used as a staging point for invasion.
Not going to war with Iraq....just conducting Mil-Ops in Northern Iraq's predominately kordish areas where rebels have presence along the porous border. This is no new news, it's been going on for several years now.
Iranians are in the same boat with the PJAK. Iran and Turkiye are said to be cooperating closely to end the problem of Kurdish militant groups, a lot of intel sharing going on
in fact, CJCSC Gen. Tariq Majid was recently in Turkiye to not just discuss joint cooperation -- but also to reaffirm our support for Turkish nation as they confront similar problem of terrorism. Turks are not at war with Kordish peoples, they are at war with the PKK --which does not even represent kords
I think they're playing their cards pretty well...with regards to recent incident off the coast of Gaza --it was israil that was at the receiving end of the international condemnation --and it was well deserved I think
it wasnt Turkiye
Turks should continue on a progressive and democratic path the way they always have been; I think they should remain a secular Muslim majority country. I have lived there and I know the places and the people very well. I see no signs of ''dangerous path potentially'' as long as wise councils prevail, in conjunction with them protecting their national interests.
Many Muslim countries hold Turkiye in high esteem, as do many western countries. Creates a good bridge between the 2.
Just because Turkiye heeded to the anger of its people and strongly rebuked israil over the flotilla incident (among other things) does not mean it is on a confrontation path with the west.
i highly doubt it.....Pakistan is a country with not a great deal of leverage under this current administration; and you couldnt even stop one single arms sale to our country or isolate Pakistan
Turkiye being an older, more ''established'' country -- I would be very interested to know how a country like hindustan could ''muscle'' NATO into isolating Turkiye
on the economics front, I dont see why Turkiye shouldnt have trade with any other country --hindustan included.
Just because you are an enemy of ours doesnt mean Turks cant do business with you; it's like saying we can't do business with the Greeks (which we do)
Good for both! Terrorism is a threat to the entire world.
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