Turkey to test indigenous engine for main battle tank Altay in April

[T-SaGe]

The locally-made engine that will power Turkey’s domestic main battle tank (MBT) Altay has been put on the test bench and its tests are planned to start in April, Defense Industries Presidency (SSB) head Ismail Demir said on a televised program.

Demir said during a live broadcast with HaberTürk late Sunday that the engine is being developed by Turkish land vehicles manufacturer BMC under the BATU Power Group project. The national tank engine will be a 12-cylinder, V-type, water-cooled and turbodiesel power unit. The engine will produce 1,500 horsepower and 4600 Nm of torque.

Meanwhile, it was previously claimed by media reports that Ankara considered a South Korean firm as an option for the purchase of an engine for its domestic MBT. A Bloomberg report said earlier this month that BMC, the Turkish company that undertaking the Altay project, came to an agreement with two South Korean companies, Doosan Infracore Co. and S&T Dynamics Co., for the engine and transmission. Still, according to the previous statements made by the SSB, the engine purchased from abroad will be used on the initial models of the tank and the following tanks are expected to be powered by the domestic engine.

Turkey initially kicked off the main battle tank project in 2007 however, problems in ascertaining a supply of engines prevented the project from moving forward as some European companies have refused to sell the powering unit.

Previously, the next-generation battle tank's prototype was to be powered by a 1,500 horsepower diesel engine from Germany's MTU Friedrichshafen GmbH. Germany's Rheinmetall has also established a joint venture with BMC aimed at establishing joint production of armored vehicles, particularly the main battle tank, Altay. However, the production and supply of the tank engine came to a halt following Berlin’s decision to limit arms exports to Turkey, a long-term NATO ally.

The German arms embargo came as a result of the flare-ups in Syria that have put weapons sales to Ankara under intense scrutiny. Germany has repeatedly announced that it limits arms sales after Turkey launched an anti-terrorist operation in northern Syria that targeted both Daesh terrorists and the PKK terrorist group and its Syrian branch, the YPG.

source - dailysabah.com/business/defense/turkey-to-test-indigenous-engine-for-main-battle-tank-altay-in-april

 

[vi-va]

Congratulation, hope everything goes well.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Turkey should participate in future Tank Biathlon in Russia to show how good they are.

 

[T-SaGe]

Congratulation, hope everything goes well.

Unfortunately, it was one of the most problematic SSB projects due to mistakes in planning. Let's put the 15-year-old story aside; Altay is a AMT project that all field and firing tests were completed in 2014. Acceptance tests were successfully completed too in 2017. Although there have been many innovations for Altay in the meantime, it is quite unpleasant that the project has been delayed for years due to some political reasons and engine supply problems. Of course this unpleasant experience provide us production capability of a tank engine, as a consolation.But at least We should have been able to start Mass production for the Altay-T1.

 

[Indos]

Nice, due to the ban from Germany, it gives time for Turkish company to develop the indigenous engine. Despite so they are now still relying on Korean engine and transmission, it is also good as Korean is one of Indonesia strategic partner and even considered as closest ally by Indonesian Commission 1 Chairman (parliament).

Komisi I Bahas Kerja Sama Pertahanan dengan Menhan Korsel

an, pertemuan dengan Menhan Korsel bertujuan untuk meningkatkan kerja sama dalam bidang pertahanan, khususnya kapal selam dan pesawat jet fighter. Ia menilai Indonesia dan Korsel memiliki hubungan diplomatik yang baik sejak lama dan tidak pernah mengalami ketegangan antara Indonesia - Korsel...

www.dpr.go.id

 

[vi-va]

Unfortunately, it was one of the most problematic SSB projects due to mistakes in planning. Let's put the 15-year-old story aside; Altay is a AMT project that all field and firing tests were completed in 2014. Acceptance tests were successfully completed too in 2017. Although there have been many innovations for Altay in the meantime, it is quite unpleasant that the project has been delayed for years due to some political reasons and engine supply problems. Of course this unpleasant experience provide us production capability of a tank engine, as a consolation.But at least We should have been able to start Mass production for the Altay-T1.

Engine and transmission is not easy task. There are many countries can shot the satellite, 9 countries have nukes, but less countries can make indigenous modern tank engine. It need decades of efforts on materials, process to make a decent modern tank engine.

I heard Turkey is cooperating with Korea on Engine and transmission, the development of Korean engine is not very smoothly.

Korean DV27K engine performance is still far behind Ka501.
K-2 with DV27K, 0-32 km takes 17s, while K-2 with MT883Ka501 takes 7s
DV27K and MT883Ka501 are all 27.4-litre or so, but DV27K is way bigger, 1828/1060/1126mm.

China ZTQ-15 tank power pack is 8 cylinder, 1200/915/970mm, took China almost 20 years efforts.

 

[vi-va]

Nice, due to the ban from Germany, it gives time for Turkish company to develop the indigenous engine. Despite so they are now still relying on Korean engine and transmission, it is also good as Korean is one of Indonesia strategic partner and even considered as closest ally by Indonesian Commission 1 Chairman (parliament).

Komisi I Bahas Kerja Sama Pertahanan dengan Menhan Korsel

an, pertemuan dengan Menhan Korsel bertujuan untuk meningkatkan kerja sama dalam bidang pertahanan, khususnya kapal selam dan pesawat jet fighter. Ia menilai Indonesia dan Korsel memiliki hubungan diplomatik yang baik sejak lama dan tidak pernah mengalami ketegangan antara Indonesia - Korsel...

www.dpr.go.id

Korean still using Renk HSWL 295TM automatic transmission.

Korean DV27K engine performance is still far behind Ka501.
K-2 with DV27K, 0-32 km takes 17s, while K-2 with MT883Ka501 takes 7s
DV27K and MT883Ka501 are all 27.4-litre or so, but DV27K is way bigger, 1828/1060/1126mm.

 

[Ali_Baba]

As a point of principle, you should never include Germany in any of your defence projects, or France for that matter.

They are both unreliable sources and often mix politics into their supply decisions.

The UK is a better partner, though in this space, I dont think the UK makes any engines that can be used for Altay.

The UK and Turkey have recently signed some defence collaboration framework, so it seems that the Turks have "finally" learned their lesson on any form of dependence on France or Germany...

 

[Rana4pak]

As a point of principle, you should never include Germany in any of your defence projects, or France for that matter.

They are both unreliable sources and often mix politics into their supply decisions.

The UK is a better partner, though in this space, I dont think the UK makes any engines that can be used for Altay.

The UK and Turkey have recently signed some defence collaboration framework, so it seems that the Turks have "finally" learned their lesson on any form of dependence on France or Germany...

Uk already show red flag to Turkey for engine of tfx

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

The locally-made engine that will power Turkey’s domestic main battle tank (MBT) Altay has been put on the test bench and its tests are planned to start in April, Defense Industries Presidency (SSB) head Ismail Demir said on a televised program.

Demir said during a live broadcast with HaberTürk late Sunday that the engine is being developed by Turkish land vehicles manufacturer BMC under the BATU Power Group project. The national tank engine will be a 12-cylinder, V-type, water-cooled and turbodiesel power unit. The engine will produce 1,500 horsepower and 4600 Nm of torque.

Meanwhile, it was previously claimed by media reports that Ankara considered a South Korean firm as an option for the purchase of an engine for its domestic MBT. A Bloomberg report said earlier this month that BMC, the Turkish company that undertaking the Altay project, came to an agreement with two South Korean companies, Doosan Infracore Co. and S&T Dynamics Co., for the engine and transmission. Still, according to the previous statements made by the SSB, the engine purchased from abroad will be used on the initial models of the tank and the following tanks are expected to be powered by the domestic engine.

Turkey initially kicked off the main battle tank project in 2007 however, problems in ascertaining a supply of engines prevented the project from moving forward as some European companies have refused to sell the powering unit.

Previously, the next-generation battle tank's prototype was to be powered by a 1,500 horsepower diesel engine from Germany's MTU Friedrichshafen GmbH. Germany's Rheinmetall has also established a joint venture with BMC aimed at establishing joint production of armored vehicles, particularly the main battle tank, Altay. However, the production and supply of the tank engine came to a halt following Berlin’s decision to limit arms exports to Turkey, a long-term NATO ally.

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The German arms embargo came as a result of the flare-ups in Syria that have put weapons sales to Ankara under intense scrutiny. Germany has repeatedly announced that it limits arms sales after Turkey launched an anti-terrorist operation in northern Syria that targeted both Daesh terrorists and the PKK terrorist group and its Syrian branch, the YPG.

source - dailysabah.com/business/defense/turkey-to-test-indigenous-engine-for-main-battle-tank-altay-in-april

@JamD @Falcon26 @SQ8

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Uk already show red flag to Turkey for engine of tfx

There were no political problems, there were certain financial and technical problems. According to recent interviews, the job remained on cost calculations. We may see a collaboration announcement soon, but I don't think the collaboration changed much.




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UTKU was officially shown again. It is in the 1000 HP class. It could also be a good alternative for the platforms of allied countries in the future.

 

[AUz]

Godspeed! Best of luck and hopefully the engine programs of Turkey turns out to be an epic success like drone programs. Inshallah!

 

[Philip the Arab]

UTKU was officially shown again. It is in the 1000 HP class. It could also be a good alternative for the platforms of allied countries in the future.

Which allied countries are pursuing their own military programs? Qatar and Azerbaijan maybe a little but there are none others.

 

[aziqbal]

Well done to Turkey congrats

Turkey should participate in future Tank Biathlon in Russia to show how good they are.

unlike China, Turkey does not test its weapons in exercises but rather in real war

Chinas weapons always do great in such exercises but never in real life

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Which allied countries are pursuing their own military programs? Qatar and Azerbaijan maybe a little but there are none others.

We do not need to sleep in the same bed, today vehicles such as Rabdan are produced by a joint company with Turkish companies. Or you can take into account vehicles such as Harimau developed for Indonesia. Fnss alone has just delivered more than 200 new 8x8 - 6x6 vehicles to Oman. Tumosan and BMC Power also have engines in this class. So there is a market even just for the projects at hand.