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Turkey to Send Troops to Libya at Tripoli's Request, Erdogan Says

I hope that would happen and hundrets of those firawn worshippers destroyed thats the only language those animals of firawn understand.. :)
With that Thousands and thousands of innocents will die...
Let's not hope for war.

Let's hope both side come to an understanding before there is no exit left...
 
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with that Thousands and thousands of innocents will die...

bravo! oh yeah those innocent slaughterers.. you would also say the ppl who burned those on the streets in egypt were also innocent Policemen/soilders..

with that logic you should not fight any american soildier because you could kill innocent soilders..
 
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bravo! oh yeah those innocent slaughterers.. you would also say the ppl who burned those on the streets in egypt were also innocent Policemen/soilders..

with that logic you should not fight any american soildier because you could kill innocent soilders..
Wasn't speaking about soldiers...
 
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https://www.voanews.com/europe/turkey-send-troops-libya-tripolis-request-erdogan-says

ANKARA/TRIPOLI - Turkey will send troops to Libya at the request of Tripoli as soon as next month, President Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday, putting the North African country's conflict at the center of wider regional frictions.

Libya's internationally recognized Government of National Accord (GNA) in Tripoli has been struggling to fend off General Khalifa Haftar's forces, which have been supported by Russia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Jordan.

An official in Tripoli confirmed a formal request had been made for Turkish military support in the air, on the ground and at sea.

The official, who asked not to be named, spoke after the GNA's interior minister, Fathi Bashagha, suggested in comments to reporters in Tunis that no such request had yet been made.

Haftar's forces, which are based in eastern Libya, could not be reached for comment.

Haftar's fighters have failed to reach the center of Tripoli but have made small gains in recent weeks in some southern suburbs of the capital with the help of Russian and Sudanese fighters, as well as drones shipped by the UAE, diplomats say.

The Chinese-made drones have given Haftar "local air superiority" as they can carry over eight times the weight of explosives than the drones given to the GNA by Turkey and can also cover the whole of Libya, a U.N. report said in November.

Last month, Ankara signed two separate accords with the GNA, led by Fayez al-Serraj, one on security and military cooperation and another on maritime boundaries in the eastern Mediterranean. The maritime deal ends Turkey's isolation in the East Mediterranean as it ramps up offshore energy exploration that has alarmed Greece and some other neighbors. The military deal would preserve its lone ally in the region, Tripoli.

"Since there is an invitation (from Libya) right now, we will accept it," Erdogan told members of his AK Party in a speech. "We will put the bill on sending troops to Libya on the agenda as soon as parliament opens."

The legislation would pass around Jan. 8-9, he said, opening the door to deployment.

Tension with Russia

For weeks Ankara has flagged the possibility of a military mission in Libya, which would further stretch its armed forces less than three months after it launched an incursion into northeastern Syria against a Kurdish militia.

Turkey has already sent military supplies to the GNA despite a United Nations arms embargo, according to a U.N. report seen by Reuters last month. Erdogan visited Tunisia on Wednesday to discuss cooperation for a possible ceasefire in neighboring Libya and said on Thursday that Turkey and Tunisia had agreed to support the GNA.

Tunisia's presidency said on Thursday the country would never join any alliance or coalition and it would maintain sovereignty over all its territory, in an apparent response to Erdogan's comments.

Moscow has voiced concerns over any Turkish deployment in support of the GNA. Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke to Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte on Thursday and they agreed the crisis must be resolved peacefully, the Kremlin said.

Erdogan, however, has said Turkey will not stay silent over mercenaries from the Kremlin-linked Wagner group supporting Haftar.

"Russia is there with 2,000 Wagner (fighters)," Erdogan said on Thursday, also referring to some 5,000 fighters from Sudan in Libya. "Is the official government inviting them? No."

"They are all helping a war baron (Haftar), whereas we are accepting an invitation from the legitimate government of the country. That is our difference," he said.

Haftar's Libyan National Army has been trying since April to take Tripoli from the GNA, which was set up in 2016 following a U.N.-brokered deal. The UAE, Egypt and Jordan have for years provided military support for Haftar's forces, U.N. reports have said. None of the countries has confirmed this.

Russian mercenaries have put more pressure on the GNA and "accelerated this quid pro quo between Tripoli and Ankara," said Sinan Ulgen, a former Turkish diplomat and chairman of the think-tank Center for Economics and Foreign Policy Studies.

"So the troop deployment must happen right away, but the risk is that Turkey is being sucked into a military game where the only path is more engagement and escalation," he said. Turkish and Russian officials held talks in Moscow this week to seek a compromise on the issues of both Libya and Syria, where Russia backs President Bashar al-Assad.

In the Mediterranean, Turkey is at loggerheads with Greece, Cyprus, Egypt and Israel over rights to resources off the coast of the divided island of Cyprus. Athens says Ankara's maritime deal with Tripoli violates international law.

Junk talk or else this is suicide, look at turkey lira rate, Turkey fight two front wars? Erdogan should focus on Turkey economy instead of trying being a hero and Islam protector.
 
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Junk talk or else this is suicide, look at turkey lira rate, Turkey fight two front wars? Erdogan should focus on Turkey economy instead of trying being a hero and Islam protector.
Nothing to do with "Islam"...
 
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Georgian Saleebi animal!

Sisi is betraying the cause by his inactivity, every egyptian should be conscripted and sent to tripoli.
 
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Georgian Saleebi animal!

Sisi is betraying the cause by his inactivity, every egyptian should be conscripted and sent to tripoli.

The simple Egyptian could say:

- Why should I fight and die for a Libyan?
- What would I gain out of it that I can't already get in my country?
- Should I fight for someone else or Work hard for making my country great again?
- If it's a security concern Why not close our Border, Like Building a wall? and if the threat is too big, then a tthis moment I will fight to defend my homeland.

And if you ask why they think like that, at least most of them... Well That's What an Arab Nationalism and Liberalism remnant do after few generation... Me, me and Me first.
 
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better than sand niggers

you are a sand nigger as well, you're not the white milk boy from arkansas. These american movie slurs are not to be used by you..

The simple Egyptian could say:

- Why should I fight and die for a Libyan?
- What would I gain out of it that I can't already get in my country?
- Should I fight for someone else or Work hard for making my country great again?
- If it's a security concern Why not close our Border, Like Building a wall? and if the threat is too big, then a tthis moment I will fight to defend my homeland.

And if you ask why they think like that, at least most of them... Well That's What an Arab Nationalism and Liberalism remnant do after few generation... Me, me and Me first.

The simple citizen does not make foreign policy, it's not about what each individual thinks or wants. Likewise as opposed to me, you will encounter many from Iraq that curse and hate other Arabs all day.
 
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you are a sand nigger as well, you're not the white milk boy from arkansas. These american movie slurs are not to be used by you..

thats just a appropriate description for some ppl.. specially if they get triggered with such :)

but I hav enothing to do with sand.. my ppl are from the steppes..


many from Iraq that curse and hate other Arabs all day.

interesting.. we should invite them to the forum..
 
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thats just a appropriate description for some ppl.. specially if they get triggered with such :)

but I hav enothing to do with sand.. my ppl are from the steppes..




interesting.. we should invite them to the forum..

Doesn't trigger me

They need to be corrected, by the mutawa'een preferably. They have no right to misbehave, neither does anyone else. Greater unity and unification is the aim, not small nation-states. Therefore, Kurds are one of the targets as they seek to divide. Erdogan's project lacks the Arabization element.
 
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Your internal politics is not too difficult to digest. Your country is once again run by a dictator after successfully dump Mubarak. It is because some of 30 % of your population which consist of Christian and secular nationalist Muslim like you who lost in the election cannot abide with the rule of the game of a democratic country.

You start flooding the street and make the nation hijacked by huge demonstrations making the nation economy in limbo. Similar condition that also happen in Thailand between Red and Yellow protester. The different between you and Thailand is that in Thailand each group voting result are not so much different while in Egypt both Islamist parties who back Mursi government got 70 % votes. This is a very huge win that should be respected but your kind is just traitors of Egyptian democratic movement.

Another traitor of your nation who run your military then take advantage of the situation and make a coup and put Mursi in jail and disband Muslim Brotherhood plus killing many Islamist in the street who protest Sisi illegal and shameful action. Similar condition also happen in Thailand and even until now its military still grasp huge chunk in parliament by force.

I bet not only 70 % of Egyptian who hate Sisi but also some of secular nationalist who still has heart and a true democrat since not all of them were going out to the street to oppose Mursi. I bet only less than 5 % who actually flood Egypt street to protest Mursi during that time.

No, you cannot overthrow Sisi since he will use force to protect his dictatorship. At least not now where other Egyptian Military generals are either coward or traitor to its own people. Your armed force are well known for that.

I actually want to tell similar condition when Indonesia was ruled by Soekarno trough dictatorship when he disbanded parliament and also Islamic parties in 1959. People start to hate him because of that. This condition become worst after Soekarno wage a war with Malaysia, another Muslim country, during 1960-1966 period. Luckily Malaysia was help by Commonwealth countries like British, Australia, etc during that time. Fighting Malaysian were not popular among Muslim population and demonstration started to arise and lead by Islamic university student (HMI). Army get split and it ended with Soekarno downfall. Similar condition can happen with Sisi if he want to bring troops to Libya to help another dictator, and with all of atrocities he has made, he can end up being hanged.

Politics in Muslim nations are not too much different. It is a fight between secular nationalist vs Islamist. The different between democratic nation like Indonesia, Turkey, Pakistan, Marocco, Tunisia, etc compared to Egypt is that both groups in that nations respect the rule of the game and dont want to come back to dictatorship anymore regardless election result. Their democracy has become matured although still not perfect.

I want to tell you my country experience. After embracing democracy in 1998, Indonesia first parliamentary election is won by a coalition of Islamist parties with Nationalist parties who are close to Islamist group. This coalition has made huge change on constitution that secular nationalist opposed. Despite different in ideology both secular nationalist parties vs Islamist parties can still work together in parliament. The next two election were still won by coalition of Islamic parties with National religious parties and one of the result is giving autonomy status and Islamic law to Aceh province which is also opposed by secular nationalist party. And since 2014 the secular nationalist won the election and the Islamist and nationalist religious parties also respected the result. This is the way civilian should act so that democracy and civilian supremacy can be protected.

Our military, alhamdulillah, also understand the will of the people and accepted the parliament decision to eliminate its political role during early period of our democracy. In the past our Armed force has huge portion of seats in Parliament, given by Soeharto.

This is Prabowo Subianto campaign in Jakarta. He got 45 % vote in the election and he is supported by Islamist group. You can see that even his campaign in the morning was preceded by Tahajud and Fajr prayer among his supporter. We also have huge Islamist supporter here. The politics of Muslim nation is not much different.


I have seen a lot of people like you .... who are dancing on the dead bodies of other Muslims, just to proof he is right ..... people like you who are saying that any one against his ideology is a secular supporting of Dictators .... so disgusting discussion .

People like don’t care who is ruling Egypt ... they’re are against the country and it’s people all along and we know that .

You wasn’t here with us during the times of security disturbance and economical difficulties .... you just watching TV and feeling pity for us .

You are comparing Egypt and Indonesia .... that is nonsense , Egypt the country which fought Israel ( the western puppet) 4 times .... comparing it with a neutral country .

You are thousands of miles away from us .... thinking you know about Egyptian , but you’re wrong, we have our legacy.
Your ideology makes you blind not seeing all the Egyptians in the streets against MB who are terrible leaders that leads the country to catastrophe.

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You are the one that know little about Egypt and Arab politics. Most Arab populace are Islamist and if democracy is given to them the chance of political Islam win the election are very big. It can be seen from Algeria politics with FIS winning 90 % of vote during 90 that is denied by their military and create civil war there for some time. Tunisian and Maroco who are now democratic also have similar pattern with Islamic party close to Muslim Brotherhood win the election.

Egypt is also not different with Muslim Brotherhood got around 50 % vote and Salafi got 20 percent during Egypt fair election. Both Islamist parties make coalition to back Mursi government. GNA is also supported by Islamist group in Libya. You are not Muslim so you dont know that Islamist support each other. Their ideology which is Islam promote unity among Muslim. Those 70 percent of Islamist supporter in Egypt feel more closer to their brother in GNA than to Sisi who destroy Islamist movement and agenda in their own country.


Here some fact for you to educate yourself

https://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/21/world/africa/egypt-elections/index.html

You know nothing .... just support your Muslim brothers in Burma first.

I'm aware of that dynamic... My point is the "Open War" statement/opinion of some... Yes TR and EGY are ina particular conflict... but it doesn't mean a full conventional war, like I see many here seems to "predict".

One thing that many seems to think... is that EGY do NOT want to engage in Libya... Even if TR is on the ground. Few countries are giving the sweet talk to EGY for THAT purpose... to engage herself in it... by giving the "We will support you"... since themselves do not wish to do it... like UAE, GREECE and some EU countries...

As for Russia... Russia isn't on the HAFTAR side... they know that Haftar will side with US interest... in the long run... Many may see the few meetings or those Wagner mercs as some sort of "Support"... but it isn't... it's more a way to say "we are here in case the wheel turn".

TR intervention will not change much of the dynamic... only maybe those already in it with their already present army go "Official" this time... UAE engagement is already known for years... with almost everything... except navy... and as of EGY, their share is almost non-existent...

Man , deploying Turkish NATO Troops in Libya will be considered an act of war by Egypt..... all the messages coming from Egypt are saying that ..... just follow the Media releases lately.
 
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Man , deploying Turkish NATO Troops in Libya will be considered an act of war by Egypt..... all the messages coming from Egypt are saying that ..... just follow the Media releases lately.
Egypt doesn't want to be a test bed, I am sure.
 
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I have seen a lot of people like you .... who are dancing on the dead bodies of other Muslims, just to proof he is right ..... people like you who are saying that any one against his ideology is a secular supporting of Dictators .... so disgusting discussion .

People like don’t care who is ruling Egypt ... they’re are against the country and it’s people all along and we know that .

You wasn’t here with us during the times of security disturbance and economical difficulties .... you just watching TV and feeling pity for us .

You are comparing Indonesia .... that is nonsense , Egypt the country which fought Israel ( the western puppet) 4 times .... comparing it with a neutral country .

You are thousands of miles away from us .... thinking you know about Egyptian , but you’re wrong, we have our legacy.
Your ideology makes you blind not seeing all the Egyptians in the streets against MB who are terrible leaders that leads the country to catastrophe.

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You know nothing .... just support your Muslim brothers in Burma first.



Man , deploying Turkish NATO Troops in Libya will be considered an act of war by Egypt..... all the messages coming from Egypt are saying that ..... just follow the Media releases lately.

Words are Words... You need actions to sustain it...
Do you see any massive military deplacement to the Libyan border?
Did you see a statement from EGY that they will take part in this Anti-TR op?
Do you see any increase in support to Haftar? (equipments/soldiers/money etc..)
And so on...

The Answer is no... Egypt WILL not go to war against TR because of Haftar... Even more when TR, neither GNA said that they will target Egypt...
The only threat to EGY is an Influential one...

Now, is there a possibility? yes there is... but as of right now...with current dynamic, this is not happening.
 
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Words are Words... You need actions to sustain it...
Do you see any massive military deplacement to the Libyan border?
Did you see a statement from EGY that they will take part in this Anti-TR op?
Do you see any increase in support to Haftar? (equipments/soldiers/money etc..)
And so on...

The Answer is no... Egypt WILL not go to war against TR because of Haftar... Even more when TR, neither GNA said that they will target Egypt...
The only threat to EGY is an Influential one...

Now, is there a possibility? yes there is... but as of right now...with current dynamic, this is not happening.

I blame the Maghreb's region weak Arabism, this shouldn't be Egypt's problem originally
 
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