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Turkey to Send Troops to Libya at Tripoli's Request, Erdogan Says

What? is that so hard to believe that people of a same group can have different views? is that surprising from a Chinese perspective?

And Stay on topic... Don't go crying to mods later on...

How selective? I am sure if its some claim to be Turkish against Turkey folly adventure. It will be 180 degrees turn from your inquiry.

No sane citizen will give up their sovereign for whatever domestic political differences. Can you imagine some Pakistanis just becos of domestic political differences over some party issue decide to agree Indian take over of whole Kashmir is justify?

The libya war is a war burning beside Egypt doorstep and affect their soverign. Its not about political differences only. The integrity of a country is at stake. Only Traitor will support foreign influence against their own.
 
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How selective? I am sure if its some claim to be Turkish against Turkey folly adventure. It will be 180 degrees turn from your inquiry?

No sane citizen will give up their sovereign for whatever domestic political differences. Can you imagine some Pakistanis just becos of domestic political differences over some party issue decide to agree Indian take over of whole Kashmir is justify?

Indeed one thing we are sure now... is that you have near zero knowledge on what is happening...
And yet... fueling a conversation as if you hold any truth...
 
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Indeed one thing we are sure now... is that you have near zero knowledge on what is happening...
And yet... fueling a conversation as if you hold any truth...
LOL... I am waiting for your expert prediction of Egypt going to foil in against Turkey in North Africa?
 
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LOL... I am waiting for your expert prediction of Egypt going to foil in against Turkey in North Africa?
This isn't about prediction... but current state of that conflict... that is far from a black and white pov...
You made your "fer de lance" whatever an Egyptian is a real one if he agree or not with an external conflict that do not endanger his country territorial integrity...

And yet... you don't seem to get the memo... As if Egy will fall if Haftar win or not... Don't make Egy a weak country... it isn't.
 
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Is there a war btw TR and EGY that I'm not aware of?
Or does EGY or TR said they will be at war in Libya because of some guys on the ground?
Well, Egypt and Turkey have had very bad relations since SISI took power from MB morsi who was backed by Turkey. That's common knowledge. Turkey is Muslim Brotherhood( MB) biggest backer(Qatar also supports them as well hence Turkey and Qatar close links). Syria's secular dictator Assad backed by Russia and funny enough(another paradox) Islamist ruled Iran has also been at odds with Turkey(Erdogan) because of Turkey's support for Syrian Islamist MB rebel groups. This has created a rather complex conflict since Turkey intervened in Syria in support of the rebels and to push back the Kurds(Assad has even offered the Kurd's support just to get back at Turkey since the have the same enemy). So it's a complex mix.
Coming to Libya, its quite similar as well. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, France and Russia support the Libyan National Army (LNA) led by General Khalifa Haftar from the country’s eastern city of Tobruk. Turkey and Qatar(usual buddies), on the other hand, have thrown their lot in behind Haftar’s rival, the Government of National Accord (GNA) based in the capital Tripoli. Turkey's has been supporting and arming the rival parliament in Tripoli, which has been dominated by Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated parties like the Justice and Construction Party and Loyalty to the Martyrs Bloc. So Turkey and Qatar share the same objectives in this regard by supporting MB inspired/backed Islamist groups.

However, I believe the main problem for Turkey in Libya is that Libya is not like Syria which borders Turkey and makes intervention easier. So any significant and open Turkish military intervention will only widen and worsen this conflict since countries like Egypt which share a long border and influence with Libya have more capabilities and ability to influence events on the ground in Libya than Turkey can ever have. So if Egypt along with Russia already present (covertly though not significantly) on the ground backed by KSA, UAE, France decide to intervene more directly then i believe it will swiftly be game over for the Turkish backed GNA since they wont be able to hold them off. Let's hope things don't get to this extent which will only complicate and exacerbate the war even more.
 
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Well, Egypt and Turkey have had very bad relations since SISI took power from MB morsi who was backed by Turkey. That's common knowledge. Turkey is Muslim Brotherhood( MB) biggest backer(Qatar also supports them as well hence Turkey and Qatar close links). Syria's secular dictator Assad backed by Russia and funny enough(another paradox) Islamist ruled Iran has also been at odds with Turkey(Erdogan) because of Turkey's support for Syrian Islamist MB rebel groups. This has created a rather complex conflict since Turkey intervened in Syria in support of the rebels and to push back the Kurds(Assad has even offered the Kurd's support just to get back at Turkey since the have the same enemy). So it's a complex mix.
Coming to Libya, its quite similar as well. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, France and Russia support the Libyan National Army (LNA) led by General Khalifa Haftar from the country’s eastern city of Tobruk. Turkey and Qatar(usual buddies), on the other hand, have thrown their lot in behind Haftar’s rival, the Government of National Accord (GNA) based in the capital Tripoli. Turkey's has been supported and arming the rival parliament in Tripoli, which has been dominated by Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated parties like the Justice and Construction Party and Loyalty to the Martyrs Bloc. So Turkey and Qatar share the same objectives in this regard by supporting MB inspired/backed Islamist groups.
I believe the main problem for Turkey in Libya is that Libya is not like Syria which borders Turkey and makes intervention easier. So any significant and open Turkish military intervention will only widen and worsen this conflict since countries like Egypt which share a long border and influence with Libya have more capabilities and ability to influence events on the ground in Libya than Turkey can ever have. So if Egypt along with Russia already present (covertly though not significantly) on the ground backed by KSA, UAE, France decide to intervene more directly then i believe it will swiftly be game over for the Turkish backed GNA since they wont be able to hold them off. Let's hope things don't get to this extent which will only complicate and exacerbate the war even more.

I'm aware of that dynamic... My point is the "Open War" statement/opinion of some... Yes TR and EGY are ina particular conflict... but it doesn't mean a full conventional war, like I see many here seems to "predict".

One thing that many seems to think... is that EGY do NOT want to engage in Libya... Even if TR is on the ground. Few countries are giving the sweet talk to EGY for THAT purpose... to engage herself in it... by giving the "We will support you"... since themselves do not wish to do it... like UAE, GREECE and some EU countries...

As for Russia... Russia isn't on the HAFTAR side... they know that Haftar will side with US interest... in the long run... Many may see the few meetings or those Wagner mercs as some sort of "Support"... but it isn't... it's more a way to say "we are here in case the wheel turn".

TR intervention will not change much of the dynamic... only maybe those already in it with their already present army go "Official" this time... UAE engagement is already known for years... with almost everything... except navy... and as of EGY, their share is almost non-existent...
 
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I'm aware of that dynamic... My point is the "Open War" statement/opinion of some... Yes TR and EGY are ina particular conflict... but it doesn't mean a full conventional war, like I see many here seems to "predict".

One thing that many seems to think... is that EGY do NOT want to engage in Libya... Even if TR is on the ground. Few countries are giving the sweet talk to EGY for THAT purpose... to engage herself in it... by giving the "We will support you"... since themselves do not wish to do it... like UAE, GREECE and some EU countries...

As for Russia... Russia isn't on the HAFTAR side... they know that Haftar will side with US interest... in the long run... Many may see the few meetings or those Wagner mercs as some sort of "Support"... but it isn't... it's more a way to say "we are here in case the wheel turn".

TR intervention will not change much of the dynamic... only maybe those already in it with their already present army go "Official" this time... UAE engagement is already known for years... with almost everything... except navy... and as of EGY, their share is almost non-existent...
Yes you have a point, Egypt has not really been militarily involved in Libya like you would have expected since they are the biggest power in the region and that borders Libya. However, i might disagree with your point that Egypt/Sissi will remain passive or limit their involvement even if Turkey openly intervenes and help GNA and MB affiliated groups regain much control of Libya. Sisi will not allow that or remain passive if that happens, whether he likes it or not he will have to intervene for his own interests and to prevent MB influence to expand in his neighbourhood from where they can provide support/space for MB groups in Egypt thereby threatening his own grip on power. You should know that Governments(even passive, corrupt, inefficient ones) will always wake up more when they see something propping up which they feel can threatened their authority, grip on power and which can embolden/help their opposition. They will not allowed that to grow and they will take measures to limit that to the best of their ability( when a tiger sees that he's been cornered he has no choice but to fight back. lol ). Sissi is a military man and the fact that he has so far stayed clear of the ongoing war in libya( Egypt's role/involvement has been limited so far) so far doesn't means that it will remain the same if the dynamics/players involvement there changes radically. Turkey/Qatar backed MB groups have not yet expanded their influence in Libya to a meaningful degree, I believe he has been passive so far because that hasn't happen yet and Hafter still has more control of Libya than GNA government in Tripoli. So no real pressure for Egypt to worry as of yet. However if things change or reverse then Egypt's passivity might actually change.
Funny enough Egypt's Sissy is acting the same passive way Erdogan did at the beginning of the civil war in Syria, it wasn't until they felt the threat to their own country that he finally woke up and decided to finally intervene directly, even though unfortunately by then it was abit too late, since other players had already cemented their position in the country and shaped/built up their own proxies/connections/links in the country
Morale of the story: ''Always be proactive in your neighbourhood, not reactive, else you will lose the initiative to others''. When that happens you will have only yourself to blame. :D
Let's see how Sissi will react when Turkey intervenes( if they really do ).
 
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Yes you have a point, Egypt has not really been militarily involved in Libya like you would have expected since they are the biggest power in the region and that borders Libya. However, i might disagree with your point that Egypt/Sissi will remain passive or limit their involvement even if Turkey openly intervenes and help GNA and MB affiliated groups regain much control of Libya. Sisi will not allow that or remain passive if that happens, whether he likes it or not he will have to intervene for his own interests and to prevent MB influence to expand in his neighbourhood from where they can provide support/space for MB groups in Egypt thereby threatening his own grip on power. You should know that Governments(even passive, corrupt, inefficient ones) will always wake up more when they see something propping up which they feel can threatened their authority, grip on power and which can embolden/help their opposition. They will not allowed that to grow and they will take measures to limit that tot he best of their ability( when a tiger sees that hes been cornered he has no choice but to fight back. lol ). Sissi is a military man and the fact that he has so far stayed clear of the ongoing war in libya( Egypt's role/involvement has been limited so far) so far doesn't means that it will remain the same if the dynamics/players involvement there changes radically. He want Turkey/Qatar backed MB groups to expand their influence in Libya, i believe he has been passive so far because that hasn't happen yet and Hafter still has more control of Libya than GNA government in Tripoli. So no real pressure for Egypt to worry as of yet. However if things change or reverse then Egypt's passivity might actually change.
Funny enough Turkey's Erdogan acted the same passive way Sissi did at the beginning of the civil war in Libya, it wasn't until they felt the threat to their own country that he finally woke up and decided to finally intervene directly, even though unfortunately by then it was abit too late, since other players had already cemented their position in the country and shaped/built up their own proxies/connections/links in the country
Morale of the story: ''Always be proactive in your neighbourhood, not reactive, else you will lose the initiative to others''. When that happens you will have only yourself to blame. :D
Let's see how Sissi will react when Turkey intervenes( if they really do ).

Indeed, But I still think EGY, will not engage as TR wish to do right now. The MB/Islamist influence in Libya isn't new for EGY... They were already around when Libya was still one country... When Haftar HIMSELF was under such "Islamist" gov... and even at that time the MB rhetoric was already playing btw both countries.

As we saw previously... Sissi and Haftar aren't friend, quite the opposite, Haftar is seen by many in the region as a simple puppet that will give himself to whoever guarantee him power... Haftar "Image" is an old one with CIA and his anti-Gaddafi stance... and EGY knows it... That Pawn is neither loyal nor stable.

Now can EGY intervene directly in a full military way in the Future... yes... If they are forced, but not under current dynamic. Yes they may increase their support, but more than that I do not think so. They have more important things going on in their Dev, that could be stopped by engaging themselves in this conflict even more.

Even for TR, that bet is risky... it will mean a new front will open with its consequences... that could severely impact their Dev if they keep a short term vision, like in Syria.... But as I said... it's a all an issue of Population sentiment... since they are the first enemy of TR agenda.

And TR "moves" are, IMO, quite similar to Russia approach in Syria back in the days... If I'm right... we gonna see more and more similarities btw both of them...
 
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Chinese troll is here to make people fight with eachother. He is obsessed with Turkiye since Turkish members time to time put him into place where he should be so He is desperately breathing air to vomit his poison. He is known with his ignorant behaviors but He has an agenda in here so Just don’t care his nonsense.
 
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The animal erdogan should stay out, if he deploys troops Egypt will also deploy troops in the other parts of Libya. He tried to invade Mosul as well a few years ago, always exploiting situations like a little Kurd. Both him and the Kurds require the same treatment.
 
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Imran Khan. KL summit. U turn. Kuch yaad aya. Ab tum sab mujhe patwari aur false flagger kaho ge
Turkey is just not stop surprising me , I wish that some day Turkey and Pakistan to join Forces to make a Peace keeping force which go into Muslim countries as peace keepers .
 
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As we said before
Egypt has the upper hand in libya
And turkey dont have anychance against egy
End of story.

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thes cheap trash don't have self protection against anti tank missile. A dead coffin....:-)

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thes cheap trash don't have self protection against anti tank missile. A dead coffin....:-)

I hope that would happen and hundrets of those firawn worshippers destroyed thats the only language those animals of firawn understand.. :)
 
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