Turkey Seeks U.S. Patriot Missiles to Deter Russia in Syria

[Maddy987654321]

I think it has more to do with political support then getting capabilities.

pardon my silly question but Is Patriot system that capable?

 

[Haris Ali2140]

pardon my silly question but Is Patriot system that capable?

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/patriot/

 

[Maddy987654321]

https://www.army-technology.com/projects/patriot/

Thanks for info. You believe or not I actually read it. And honestly understood very little. But one thing I want ask, again pardon my silly question, isn't it too risky that target acquisition system in the missile acquires the target in the terminal phase of flight? Means what are the chances of interception realistically?

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Thanks for info. You believe or not I actually read it. And honestly understood very little. But one thing I want ask, again pardon my silly question, isn't it too risky that target acquisition system in the missile acquires the target in the terminal phase of flight? Means what are the chances of interception realistically?

Sorry, above my pay grade.

@gambit

 

[500]

@Philosopher. btw, this @500 is very manipulative and sneaky in arguments, but shows the signs of his bad logic.

In this case of Assad and his allegation of genocide, he is using the POST HOC fallacy, where you connect 2 things(Assad and civilian deaths and emigration),but dont provide the logic behind how they are linked or how 1 caused the other.

So to people like 500 and Cabal Turkish guy all they just see is emigration, civilian deaths, but they cant provide compelling evidence that Assad single handedly is responsible for this.

So 500 is just a 24/7 liar and manipulator. he's never proven to be anything different. watch how u waste your time on him.

U could not address a single fact I posted, so u started a circlejerk with ur friend.

Kafranbel in september 2018:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1040581282323947523

Now its empty ruins.

 

[Timur]

genocidal

if israel does a genocide than what is iran doing in syria? destruction of human kind?

as if this iranians are any better to the ppl they claim to be worse.. indeed they are on a different level..

 

[Philosopher]

if israel does a genocide than what is iran doing in syria? destruction of human kind?

as if this iranians are any better to the ppl they claim to be worse.. indeed they are on a different level..

Iran is in Syria fighting "rebels" or should we call them terrorists. How any sane person can compare that to what Israel has done then it baffles me. Israel has systemically wiped out a people from their land and stolen it.

 

[500]

This is "genocide" according so to self declared Philosopher:

This is just Iran's nice fight against "terrorists":

 

[gambit]

...isn't it too risky that target acquisition system in the missile acquires the target in the terminal phase of flight?

Yes, it is risky. The odds of missing the descending warhead is -- historically -- about %100.

The word 'terminal' means the last phase of flight, as shown above.

Ideally, you want to intercept the missile at the launch phase -- the far left side of the image. But to do that, you need to be as close to the launch site as possible, which often means inside someone's border. Not really feasible. Intercept at this phase practically guarantees success as the missile is most vulnerable as it is struggling to overcome gravity.

Less ideally, but still have a good chance of success is to intercept while the vehicle is at maximum altitude of its parabolic arc. The difficulty here is reach that altitude, which can be suborbital. The weapon is no longer a missile as we know it but more like a vehicle for the warhead(s), often calls the 'bus'. The vehicle at this point is also vulnerable. You do not need to be close to the launch point, as it is usually the hostile country.

Least ideal and historically no chance of success is to intercept at the end or terminal phase of flight. This is the far right of the image. As defense, you are in home territory and protecting something valuable. The technical difficulties are enormous. It is a head-on intercept and if you miss, you have no chance of reacquisition. The speed is too great. The reason the speed is too great is because you want to intercept as high in altitude as possible to minimize damages from shock and debris. So if you miss, the descending warhead will impact the ground before the interceptor can turn around.

Means what are the chances of interception realistically?

Historically -- none.

Do not take seriously the criticisms at the Patriot system. Am not saying the system is perfect and achieved %100 intercepts. The US with the Nike Zeus missile program back in 1950-60s was already on the way to achieve literally head-on intercept. The program was cancelled because of missile treaties with the USSR. The Patriot is the descendant of that program. So even if the intercept rate is less than %50, that is still much better than other countries have done. The critics are simply jealous what the US could do while their countries could not.

 

[vishwambhar]

pardon my silly question but Is Patriot system that capable?

Patriot is a deadly system.... In first gulf war itself it proved it's capability even though few scuds managed to dodge it.... Today it's a completely matured beast.... S400 might have more range to threat ariel targets but when it comes to accuracy and electronic warfare system I believe patriot is more dangerous than S400.... Simply because it is American technology and no nation have an ability to surpass American tech at least today....

 

[Hack-Hook]

Patriot is a deadly system.... In first gulf war itself it proved it's capability even though few scuds managed to dodge it.... Today it's a completely matured beast.... S400 might have more range to threat ariel targets but when it comes to accuracy and electronic warfare system I believe patriot is more dangerous than S400.... Simply because it is American technology and no nation have an ability to surpass American tech at least today....

Please don't talk about patriot performance in that war . talk about how Saddam missiles performed in that war.

 

[vishwambhar]

Please don't talk about patriot performance in that war . talk about how Saddam missiles performed in that war.

Yes many scuds of Iraq hit Kuwait dodging patriot but still because of patriot that time Kuwait could be saved from major damage and it was first gulf war when patriot was not matured.... Today it's completely a different beast....

 

[Hack-Hook]

Yes many scuds of Iraq hit Kuwait dodging patriot but still because of patriot that time Kuwait could be saved from major damage and it was first gulf war when patriot was not matured.... Today it's completely a different beast....

In short in first Iraq-USA war a study shown that 90% of hits attributed to patriot was in fact the missiles themselves disintegrating in sky and patriot did nothing.

 

[vishwambhar]

In short in first Iraq-USA war a study shown that 90% of hits attributed to patriot was in fact the missiles themselves disintegrating in sky and patriot did nothing.

Do you have a source for this my friend?

 

[MMM-E]

Iran is in Syria fighting "rebels" or should we call them terrorists

the biggest terrorists are radical sectarian Assad Regime , Russia , Iran , Iran backed shia terrorists groups HEZBOLLAH , HASDI SHABI from Lebanon , Iraq , Yemen , Afghanistan who killed over 800.000 sunni muslim civilians and forced over 8 million sunni muslim Syricans to move from their lands to another countries including Turkiye

same senario in Idlib now , in Idlib 4 million sunni muslim Syrians dont want radical sectarian Assad Regime , Russia , Iran , Iran backed shia terrorists groups HEZBOLLAH , HASDI SHABI to be in Idlib

still Russian-Syrian Fighter Jets are bombing civiliians including schools and hospitals ...

radical sectarian murderer dictator Assad is not leader of Syrian People
who selected radical sectarian murderer dictator Assad to rule Syria ? nobody

Russia , Iran , Iran backed shia terrorists groups HEZBOLLAH , HASDI SHABI killed over 800.000 sunni muslim Syrian civilians for their national interests