Turkey seeks Pakistan’s help against PKK, IS

[massattack]

Islamabad: Turkey seeks Pakistan’s cooperation in the former’s decisive operation against the Kurdish guerrilla group PKK and the Islamic State, in a development that will test Islamabad’s diplomatic skills to deal with the delicate situation, The Express Tribune has learned.

The request for Pakistan’s support came from the Turkish leadership during talks with Chief of Army Staff Gen Raheel Sharif, who wrapped up his three-day visit to Turkey’s capital Ankara on Wednesday.

Sources familiar with the discussions between Gen Raheel and Turkey’s top civil and military authorities disclosed that Ankara was looking towards Islamabad for greater anti-terror cooperation as Turkey faced its current challenges.

However, specific details regarding the nature of help Turkey seeks from Pakistan have not been made available.

Turkey is increasingly concerned over threats to its territorial integrity after the United States started withdrawing the Patriot missile systems along its border with Syria this month.

Ankara is not happy with the US move, as Turkey needs the missile system in the backdrop of the current unrest in Syria. Sources said the US move could be the reason why Turkey was now looking towards Pakistan for crucial support.

So far it is unclear how far Islamabad is willing to support Ankara in Turkey’s fight against Kurdish rebels and IS (also known by its Arabic acronym Da’ish), although the army chief has extended ‘total support’ to the Turkish leadership in tackling their current security challenges.

A source said Pakistan could extend material support as well as share its expertise in dealing with insurgency
and terrorism.

On the last day of his visit, Gen Raheel visited the war academy in Turkey and exchanged views with the participants on Pakistan’s successful experience in fighting terrorism, said the chief military spokesman.

Lt Gen Asim Bajwa said the army chief also met the Turkish foreign minister to discuss the regional security situation.

Gen Raheel travelled to Turkey at a time when the country is engaged in two separate battles with the PKK and Da’ish.

In the recent weeks Turkey has stepped up its campaign against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (commonly known as PPK) and the IS.

The PKK, mainly based in northern Iraq and southern Turkey, has been engaged in a bloody insurgency for more than 30 years and demanding self-determination for the Kurds.

This July the three-year ceasefire between Turkey and the PKK ended after the Turkish forces targeted the rebels’ hideouts in northern Iraq to wipe out the group.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 15th, 2015.
Turkey seeks Pakistan’s help against PKK, IS - The Express Tribune

 

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No way.........................

 

[Zarvan]

Islamabad: Turkey seeks Pakistan’s cooperation in the former’s decisive operation against the Kurdish guerrilla group PKK and the Islamic State, in a development that will test Islamabad’s diplomatic skills to deal with the delicate situation, The Express Tribune has learned.

The request for Pakistan’s support came from the Turkish leadership during talks with Chief of Army Staff Gen Raheel Sharif, who wrapped up his three-day visit to Turkey’s capital Ankara on Wednesday.

Sources familiar with the discussions between Gen Raheel and Turkey’s top civil and military authorities disclosed that Ankara was looking towards Islamabad for greater anti-terror cooperation as Turkey faced its current challenges.

However, specific details regarding the nature of help Turkey seeks from Pakistan have not been made available.

Turkey is increasingly concerned over threats to its territorial integrity after the United States started withdrawing the Patriot missile systems along its border with Syria this month.

Ankara is not happy with the US move, as Turkey needs the missile system in the backdrop of the current unrest in Syria. Sources said the US move could be the reason why Turkey was now looking towards Pakistan for crucial support.

So far it is unclear how far Islamabad is willing to support Ankara in Turkey’s fight against Kurdish rebels and IS (also known by its Arabic acronym Da’ish), although the army chief has extended ‘total support’ to the Turkish leadership in tackling their current security challenges.

A source said Pakistan could extend material support as well as share its expertise in dealing with insurgency
and terrorism.

On the last day of his visit, Gen Raheel visited the war academy in Turkey and exchanged views with the participants on Pakistan’s successful experience in fighting terrorism, said the chief military spokesman.

Lt Gen Asim Bajwa said the army chief also met the Turkish foreign minister to discuss the regional security situation.

Gen Raheel travelled to Turkey at a time when the country is engaged in two separate battles with the PKK and Da’ish.

In the recent weeks Turkey has stepped up its campaign against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (commonly known as PPK) and the IS.

The PKK, mainly based in northern Iraq and southern Turkey, has been engaged in a bloody insurgency for more than 30 years and demanding self-determination for the Kurds.

This July the three-year ceasefire between Turkey and the PKK ended after the Turkish forces targeted the rebels’ hideouts in northern Iraq to wipe out the group.

Published in The Express Tribune, October 15th, 2015.
Turkey seeks Pakistan’s help against PKK, IS - The Express Tribune

We first made blunder of not helping GCC countries who have always supported us in every crisis now Turkey also our main supporter in every crisis along with GCC asks for help. We have to help both GCC and Turkey in their fight or can say good buy to our allies for ever. Now it's time to take some seriously hard decisions. That is why I say we need to increase our Forces massively and deploy some of them in middle east forever. I mean forever.
@MastanKhan

 

[kaonalpha]

We can't at the moment. But pkk is their internal matter. IS on the other hand is a problem which we will have to address sooner or later. The Final decision rests with high command.
May Allah guide them to mke the the right decision.

 

[Zarvan]

We can't at the moment. But pkk is their internal matter. IS on the other hand is a problem which we will have to address sooner or later. The Final decision rests with high command.
May Allah guide them to mke the the right decision.

Ameen but we have to go in Turkey and GCC helped us in every crisis. We are getting lot of weapons from them and they adjust price for us it's time for us to pay back. Let test the most recent inducted JF-17 squadron on ISIS and PKK.
Loosing GCC and Turkey as our ally is nothing short of committing suicide.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Yes we definitely should, not only help them against pkk but also their financiers in Kurd region.i call it northern Iraq. No to any free Kurdistan over corpse of Iraq. Regarding daiesh we should share our experience against ttp.

 

[MastanKhan]

We first made blunder of not helping GCC countries who have always supported us in every crisis now Turkey also our main supporter in every crisis along with GCC asks for help. We have to help both GCC and Turkey in their fight or can say good buy to our allies for ever. Now it's time to take some seriously hard decisions. That is why I say we need to increase our Forces massively and deploy some of them in middle east forever. I mean forever.
@MastanKhan

Hi,

Thank you for the tag---the Yemen crisis was a fiasco for Pakistan----it was a blunder of the ultimate magnitude.

Pakistan is the only muslim nation who has withstood an onslaught of terrorist insurgency in KPK, Fata and Baluchsitan---and then has stood up to a neighbor 3 ties in size militarily---.

So---basically---there is no other muslim military in the region with Pakistan unique experience and expertise.

It is very difficult to change position---from being a beggar to being a giver----. A beggar always begs and a giver always gives---that was the case with Saudi arabia and Emirates----we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---and suddenly they asked for something---and as we had no clue how to give---we refused---and we refused horribly and humiliated and degraded our well wishers.

So---again---we are at a cross roads----now turkey may want assistance---so if we give them assistance---then what would we say to emirates and Saudi arabia----.

That yemen issue would bite Pakistan in the ar-se real hard----the pay back for that felony offense would be tough to swallow.

We can't at the moment. But pkk is their internal matter. IS on the other hand is a problem which we will have to address sooner or later. The Final decision rests with high command.
May Allah guide them to mke the the right decision.

You are right---when one is a beggar for whole of his life---it becomes next to impossible to give---.

 

[volatile]

Some thing tells me Pakistan needs to play a bigger role .We have denied KSA request (and as a result our biggest source of remittances from UAE and KSA are danger amounting to some 9 Billion US dollar .Even though KSA is a kingdom but for the sake of Haram and its Khadimaein some thing was to be done .India already have form strategic alliance with UAE as a result of this. So relaxed visas for Indian`s in UAE and more quota .Turkey is the best friend Pak has over the period of time ,reason being they have morally, tech and any thing they could offer they have .PAK needs to share its experience of fighting these TTP,ISIS with physical presence as well .As some how we are standing a way where our internal secuirty is questioned but we need to respond to these emerging threats to our friends .Friend in need is friend in deed.

 

[Sugarcane]

Is it about diplomatic support? IMO Turkey's armed forces are much advanced and better equipped than Pakistan, So i don't think they need any help in this field. Anyway Pakistan should extend every possible support just like Turkey has always done for us.

 

[massattack]

Turkey also excused

Hi,

Thank you for the tag---the Yemen crisis was a fiasco for Pakistan----it was a blunder of the ultimate magnitude.

........That yemen issue would bite Pakistan in the ar-se real hard----the pay back for that felony offense would be tough to swallow.
---when one is a beggar for whole of his life---it becomes next to impossible to give---.

Turkey, Pakistan back peaceful resolution to Yemen conflict - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

I disagree with you regarding Yemen. Pakistan and Turkey both decided principally not to assist Saudia against Yemen because Saudia was being over reactive (Link given above)... We have more similarity with Turkey as far as national character is concerned. Like Turkey Pakistan too is a democratic country with a strong military and that was the moment, we just not decided, NOT to help Saudia, but was also NOT to appose the people of Yemen and Iran. Similarly Turkey at the moment is facing threat to its integrity like we are facing over Balochistan. Hence we are closer to Turkey imagine..... Turkey siding with the BLA??? or iran siding with BLA.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

@Zarvan GCC was asking us to help them bomb another country. Turkey isn't asking us the same. Big difference. Turkey has sought help in the pkk issue which is an internal thing and the ISiS which of course is a global penomena but that doesn't mean we bomb Iraq, we should not hit any targets in iraq whether its kurds or daiesh, the help would be in regards to defense and intel something we offered ksa as well over time.

 

[MastanKhan]

Turkey also excused


Turkey, Pakistan back peaceful resolution to Yemen conflict - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

We have more similarity with Turkey as far as national character is concerned. QUOTE]

Hi,

So---when it was time to beg for money and free oil---Saudi and emirates were okay----. Did we not know when we were begging that we would have to chose and take sides and fight their wars as well.

 

[massattack]

So---when it was time to beg for money and free oil---Saudi and emirates were okay----. Did we not know when we were begging that we would have to chose and take sides and fight their wars as well.

Source: Turkey seeks Pakistan’s help against PKK, IS

we are not running a Mercenary army here. if they want that they can contact blackwater..Saudia by helping us in aid does not own us or our people. we reserve the right to help or not anyone for that matter specially when it comes to manpower. each solider is a our brethren and citizen and we will not put our brothers in harms way for any amount of oil or money unnecessarily for that matter, unless we really have to. Saudia was acting as if we are karaay kay ghunday, i am surprised at our reaction of acting as if we were the culprits, it should have been clear and swift.

 

[Kambojaric]

Turkey has been there for us through thick and thin. I say support them with whatever assistance they request.

Hi,

Thank you for the tag---the Yemen crisis was a fiasco for Pakistan----it was a blunder of the ultimate magnitude.

Pakistan is the only muslim nation who has withstood an onslaught of terrorist insurgency in KPK, Fata and Baluchsitan---and then has stood up to a neighbor 3 ties in size militarily---.

So---basically---there is no other muslim military in the region with Pakistan unique experience and expertise.

It is very difficult to change position---from being a beggar to being a giver----. A beggar always begs and a giver always gives---that was the case with Saudi arabia and Emirates----we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---we begged and they gave---and suddenly they asked for something---and as we had no clue how to give---we refused---and we refused horribly and humiliated and degraded our well wishers.

So---again---we are at a cross roads----now turkey may want assistance---so if we give them assistance---then what would we say to emirates and Saudi arabia----.

That yemen issue would bite Pakistan in the ar-se real hard----the pay back for that felony offense would be tough to swallow.

Well the decision to not go into Yemen was taken on the grounds of the effect this would have with one of our neighbours. We already have two hostile neighbours. Having three with whom we share roughly 80%+ of our border would create huge problems for our armed forces especially given the precarious situation in balochistan and the initiation of the CPEC.

With regards to Turkeys request for assistance this does not go against the interests of Iran as far as I can see. Kurdish seperstism exists in Iran as well and although the Iranian regime has supported the PKK in the past, in recent decades this support has toned down. Further IS poses a direct threat to the shia Iranian allies in Iraq. In essense supporting Turkey would not jeopardize our relationship with Iran like supporting the khaleejis would have done in Yemen. Different scenarios. That's what we can tell the Khaleejis. Further the Yemen war is going to end in nobody's victory. Houthis are Taliban v2.0. They won't fight the Pakistani army head on but will instead run into their caves and mountains and even if they lose there our jawans will suffer heavy losses.

 

[Tipu7]

This proves how much Pakistan efforts are acknowledged on global scale related to anti terrorism. Friendly countries now began to believe that Pakistan has real solution to wipe out insurgents supported by foreign powers and that's the reason they are seeking help.
Pakistan is only country to appear victorious in non conventional war even after facing damage of decade under worst economic and social conditions. A tough task in which super powers failed, Pakistan achieved.