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[KAL-EL]

Turkey should have kept its good relation with Syria. That way Turkey would have foothold at Syria's border with Israel. It was pretty foolish for Turkey to engage in a 10 years war with Syria only to achieve nothing and end up making Syria an enemy of Turkey for the foreseeable future

“The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."

 

[Adecypher]

Simple question: What creates this obligation that you claim for Muslims to control their "holly" sites?

Simple question: What creates the obligation for Jews to control the "holly" sites?

 

[VCheng]

Simple question: What creates the obligation for Jews to control the "holly" sites?

None whatsoever. The city is equally holy to the three major Abrahamic religions, yes, and everybody should have the freedom to exercise their beliefs in peace without intruding upon anyone else.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Is it still used a a QIBLA? Yes, or no?

No, and there was divine wisdom in that, considering the present situation where rubber bullets and stun grandes are blowing inside its holy and pure halls.

Does it reduce its importance and sanctity among Muslims? Not one bit.

And prayers are still held there regularly. Yes, or no?

Under the shadows of Zionist terrorists and their evil schemes. Hence the reason to take control of it so prayers can happen in an environment free of fear and oppression.

Finally, get a visa to visit and pray there all you want.

Please see above. Besides, not talking about you, but if we the Muslims keep on dithering, there may not be any Al Aqsa left in future.

Join your kind, you are wasting your time here.

 

[VCheng]

No, and there was divine wisdom in that, considering the present situation where rubber bullets and stun grandes are blowing inside its holy and pure halls.

Does it reduce its importance and sanctity among Muslims? Not one bit.




Under the shadows of Zionist terrorists and their evil schemes. Hence the reason to take control of it so prayers can happen in an environment free of fear and oppression.




Please see above. Besides, not talking about you, but if we the Muslims keep on dithering, there may not be any Al Aqsa left in future.

Join your kind, you are wasting your time here.

So we do not use it as a qibla anymore as commanded by Allah, and there are regular prayers inside the mosque still. And anyone with a visit visa go and fulfill their desire to pray in the blessed place. So what remains as the issue?

 

[Dr-who]

We are all are arguing and fighting amongst ourselves like we really going to war with Israel. But the reality is none of the Islamic Ummah nations have the will And/or financial/geo-political/armed forces capabilities and neither are we or will be able to go as individuals to fight.
All our discussions are rooted in 1967 border dispute which Israel will not give back, and instead of accepting defeat and find a way forward like hijrat/one state solution/non violence we are giving more value to land then to human life.

 

[Adecypher]

None whatsoever.

Good.

Now, mulsims believe that there is an imminent danger to the infrastructure of "Al Aqsa" mosque by the current GOP in Israel which is also involved in "illegal settlements" program.

 

[VCheng]

mulsims believe that there is an imminent danger to the infrastructure of "Al Aqsa" mosque

And?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

So we do not use it as a qibla anymore as commanded by Allah, and there are regular prayers inside the mosque still. And anyone with a visit visa go and fulfill their desire to pray in the blessed place. So what remains as the issue?

It was not the Qibla in time of great Umar, infront of whom , you and me, all of us, are nothing but maggots, yet in his wisdom he decided to bring Qibla-e-awal under firm Muslim control.

Visa from whom?

Which part of praying in free, without fear and tyrannical occupation you did not understand?

 

[Adecypher]

And?

The international community should recognize and intervene...

 

[VCheng]

yet in his wisdom he decided to bring Qibla-e-awal under firm Muslim control.

So we are relying on his wisdom from centuries ago to demand control over it now?

The international community should recognize and intervene...

Sure. How would one present any evidence to justify the belief that the infrastructure of the blessed mosque is under imminent danger?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

So we are relying on his wisdom from centuries ago to demand control over it now?

Are you questioning Umar wisdom?

 

[VCheng]

Are you questioning Umar wisdom?

Not at all. He was very wise to do what he did in this regards. Absolutely.

But how does that translate into demanding control over it now? He conquered it. Later, other Muslims lost it. So what do we do now?

 

[Adecypher]

Sure. How would one present any evidence to justify the belief that the infrastructure of the blessed mosque is under imminent danger?

Some observations:

Israeli excavations threaten Al-Aqsa Mosque: Experts


Israeli excavations in Jerusalem are posing an imminent threat to the flashpoint Al-Aqsa Mosque compound and residents of the holy city, Palestinian experts have warned.

"The Israel excavations beneath the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound have been in full swing in the past 60 years," archaeology professor Jamal Amro told Anadolu Agency.

"The diggings, however, have gone under the foundations of the compound in the past 15 years," he said.

Israel occupied East Jerusalem, where the flashpoint Al-Aqsa Mosque compound is located, during the 1967 Arab-Israeli War.

In a move never recognized by the international community, Israel annexed the entire city in 1980, claiming it the self-proclaimed Jewish state’s “eternal and undivided” capital.

“Since 1967, Israel has carried out more than 100 excavations under the ancient city allegedly for rainwater drainage," Amro added.

He said Israel is currently carrying out 22 diggings in Jerusalem, four of which are going under Al-Buraq (western) wall and five under the Silwan neighborhood.

According to Amro, the depth of the Israeli excavations in this area reaches more than 20 meters underground.

Late in June, Israeli officials opened a tunnel under the Silwan neighborhood in East Jerusalem, with the attendance of U.S. Ambassador to Israel David Friedman and Middle East envoy Jason Greenblatt.

For Muslims, Al-Aqsa represents the world's third holiest site after Makkah and Medina. Jews refer to the area as the "Temple Mount", claiming it was the site of two Jewish temples in ancient times.


Cracks

Amro said the Israeli excavations have caused cracks in the chapel of women, and the building of the Awqaf department and the southern and western walls of Al-Aqsa compound as well as the walls of Al-Ashrafieh school, located inside the holy compound.

Ahmad Siam, the owner of a house in Silwan, said he can hear the excavations beneath his house.

"The house walls began to crack from inside and outside due to the Israeli diggings," Siam told Anadolu Agency.

"The excavations are between 12-14 meters underground, which threatens the foundations of my house and other houses in the neighborhood."

According to Siam, Palestinian families in Wadi Hilweh neighborhood had to close parts of their houses due to fears of collapse.

"They fear that their homes may collapse on their heads," he said.

In March, heavy rains had caused ground cracks due to Israeli excavations in the area.

In July 2017, UN cultural agency UNESCO adopted a resolution that denounced Israel's failure to "cease the persistent excavations, tunneling, works, projects and other illegal practices in East Jerusalem, particularly in and around the Old City of Jerusalem, which are illegal under international law".

The resolution further stated that "legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying power, which have altered -- or purport to alter -- the character and status of the holy city of Jerusalem… are null and void and must be rescinded forthwith".

Israel, for its part, refuses to allow access to UNESCO to examine the holy sites in East Jerusalem.


Jewish narrative

Hanna Issa, the head of the High Islamic-Christian Committee in Jerusalem, warned that Israel wants to change the history of Jerusalem to conform with the Jewish narrative.

"Israel is building another city under Jerusalem, so they can tell the Palestinians in any future deal that what above-ground will be divided and what is underground is only for Jews," he told Anadolu Agency.

He warned that the Israeli government wants to completely change all the features of Jerusalem, and abolish any feature of the Arab and Islamic history "to give the city a new identity consistent with the Jewish narrative".

“The most dangerous tools are the tunnels that are undermining the foundations of the old town and surrounding the Haram al-Sharif (Aqsa Mosque)," he said.

Jerusalem remains at the heart of the decades-long Middle East dispute, with Palestinians hoping that East Jerusalem might one day serve as the capital of a Palestinian state.

Please read this letter:
Jerusalem/Israeli excavations – Letter from Jordan

 

[VCheng]

"The Israel excavations beneath the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound have been in full swing in the past 60 years," archaeology professor Jamal Amro told Anadolu Agency.

"The diggings, however, have gone under the foundations of the compound in the past 15 years," he said.

So 60 years digging, 15 years under the foundations, and the mosque still stands with the blessings of Allah. Cracks appear in such grands old building just from aging and settling, and need constant care and attention to keep in good repair.

(That letter is from 1981. what it worries about has not happened as of yet.)