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Turkey, Pakistan to jointly manufacture attack helicopters

My numbers might be wrong, but ...

The T-129's development overhead cost Turkey $1.2 billion (link). The overall cost (i.e. including production) for 50 units is $3.2 billion (link). This means the cost of manufacturing is $2 billion for 50 T-129s - i.e. $40 million a unit - and the total cost (i.e. development plus production) is $64 million per T-129.

If Pakistan were to join with 40 helicopters, it would thin the $1.2 billion overhead from $24 million to $13.3 million per T-129. This would result in a unit cost of $53 million per T-129.

That is basically the same approximate unit cost of the AH-1Z. The U.S. cleared 15 AH-1Z with 1,000 AGM-114Rs for $952 million (link). The UK bought 1,000 AGM-114Rs for $150 million (link) - so that is $802 m for 15 helicopters, i.e. $53.4 m.

Note: for simplicity's sake, I assumed that the T-129's unit cost includes the after-sale support/maintenance for 5+ years, like it does for the AH-1Z. In other words, upfront acquisition costs will be 50-65% of the total unit cost - the rest is maintenance. The Pakistan Army will need to budget $1.4 billion for its induction period - e.g. $140 m a year for 10 years, $280 m for 5 years, etc.
 
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What about the engines,are they going to use the new Turkish turbo shaft engine(if and when ready)?
We are using Ukrainian engine in it

My numbers might be wrong, but ...

The T-129's development overhead cost Turkey $1.2 billion (link). The overall cost (i.e. including production) for 50 units is $3.2 billion (link). This means the cost of manufacturing is $2 billion for 50 T-129s - i.e. $40 million a unit - and the total cost (i.e. development plus production) is $64 million per T-129.

If Pakistan were to join with 40 helicopters, it would thin the $1.2 billion overhead from $24 million to $13.3 million per T-129. This would result in a unit cost of $53 million per T-129.

That is basically the same approximate unit cost of the AH-1Z. The U.S. cleared 15 AH-1Z with 1,000 AGM-114Rs for $952 million (link). The UK bought 1,000 AGM-114Rs for $150 million (link) - so that is $802 m for 15 helicopters, i.e. $53.4 m.

Note: for simplicity's sake, I assumed that the T-129's unit cost includes the after-sale support/maintenance for 5+ years, like it does for the AH-1Z. In other words, upfront acquisition costs will be 50-65% of the total unit cost - the rest is maintenance. The Pakistan Army will need to budget $1.4 billion for its induction period - e.g. $140 m a year for 10 years, $280 m for 5 years, etc.
Frame will be from Turkey and rest will be Pakistani mix plate with Ukrainian engine
 
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3 Z10 already in Pakistan.
20 Zulu are comfirmed coming
4 Mi35 comfirmed order more to come
and now joint production of Atak T129.

Kindly reply for following information in Jan. 2018
What choppers have,Pakistan got so far and what have been signed regarding choppers and third generation planes with China and Turkey,please.I am retired engineer in this field.
Fighter jets J-20 and J-31 , Z10 , Mi35 , Atak T129.

Don't think me Indian I hate India as much as you or Kashmiri, I am active supporter of freedom of Kashmir and Khalistan.

Pakistan = Land of Pure
Khalistan = Land of Pure

This is not coincident but a destiny which we are waiting from you come forward again and help us for the the freedom of Kashmir and Khalistan.

Ex. Major (Court Martieled Sikh Light Infantry)

Due to my military career though brief but I can smell something cocking behind the walls against Pakistan-Russian deal. Anyways best of luck.

I respect you, and strongly support your vision and objectives.
 
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My numbers might be wrong, but ...

The T-129's development overhead cost Turkey $1.2 billion (link). The overall cost (i.e. including production) for 50 units is $3.2 billion (link). This means the cost of manufacturing is $2 billion for 50 T-129s - i.e. $40 million a unit - and the total cost (i.e. development plus production) is $64 million per T-129.

If Pakistan were to join with 40 helicopters, it would thin the $1.2 billion overhead from $24 million to $13.3 million per T-129. This would result in a unit cost of $53 million per T-129.

That is basically the same approximate unit cost of the AH-1Z. The U.S. cleared 15 AH-1Z with 1,000 AGM-114Rs for $952 million (link). The UK bought 1,000 AGM-114Rs for $150 million (link) - so that is $802 m for 15 helicopters, i.e. $53.4 m.

Note: for simplicity's sake, I assumed that the T-129's unit cost includes the after-sale support/maintenance for 5+ years, like it does for the AH-1Z. In other words, upfront acquisition costs will be 50-65% of the total unit cost - the rest is maintenance. The Pakistan Army will need to budget $1.4 billion for its induction period - e.g. $140 m a year for 10 years, $280 m for 5 years, etc.
So ... I basically got the price right.
 
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I respect you, and strongly support your vision and objectives.
You have Quoted me for comment i did not made :o:. What retired engineer? I am an Accountant and what January 2018? whats going on o_O
 
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You have Quoted me for comment i did not made :o:. What retired engineer? I am an Accountant and what January 2018? whats going on o_O
Sorry- my mistake by wrong section pick-Disregard.

News- Mi 35M and T129 choppers
ATAK T129 helicopters deal 90 pct complete, Pakistani minister says
https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...-deal-90-pct-complete-pakistani-minister-says
Pakistan's Defense Production Minister Rana Tanvir Hussein announced on Saturday that the "selling process was 90 percent complete" for 39 T129 ATAK helicopters.

The Pakistan’s Defence Export Promotion Organization (DEPO) has now confirmed the Pakistan Military has taken delivery of four Mi-35M helicopters. Brig. Gen. Waheed Mumtaz, an officer working for DEPO issued the statement during the annual International Military-Technical Forum (Army 2017) which took place in Moscow this month from the 22nd to 27th. The Mi-35M helicopter is expected to replace Pakistan’s fleet of obsolete AH-1 Cobra attack helicopters. Over the next few years, the Army is expected to obtain a total of 20 Mi-35M helicopters from Russia.
https://propakistani.pk/2017/08/28/pakistan-gets-first-batch-mi-35m-assault-helicopters/
 
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Sorry- my mistake by wrong section pick-Disregard.

News- Mi 35M and T129 choppers
ATAK T129 helicopters deal 90 pct complete, Pakistani minister says
https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/...-deal-90-pct-complete-pakistani-minister-says
Pakistan's Defense Production Minister Rana Tanvir Hussein announced on Saturday that the "selling process was 90 percent complete" for 39 T129 ATAK helicopters.

The Pakistan’s Defence Export Promotion Organization (DEPO) has now confirmed the Pakistan Military has taken delivery of four Mi-35M helicopters. Brig. Gen. Waheed Mumtaz, an officer working for DEPO issued the statement during the annual International Military-Technical Forum (Army 2017) which took place in Moscow this month from the 22nd to 27th. The Mi-35M helicopter is expected to replace Pakistan’s fleet of obsolete AH-1 Cobra attack helicopters. Over the next few years, the Army is expected to obtain a total of 20 Mi-35M helicopters from Russia.
https://propakistani.pk/2017/08/28/pakistan-gets-first-batch-mi-35m-assault-helicopters/

Looks like pak is pushing for jf and t129 heli exchange or some kind of reciprocal agreement ??

Taf need to replace f-4 as well as t-38s
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That cud be a possibility. JFT is good for low intensity ops, patrolling COIN etc. Plus ease of configuring several weapons systems on it.
Looks like pak is pushing for jf and t129 heli exchange or some kind of reciprocal agreement ??

Taf need to replace f-4 as well as t-38s
??
 
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Looks like pak is pushing for jf and t129 heli exchange or some kind of reciprocal agreement ??

Taf need to replace f-4 as well as t-38s
??

F-4s are bomb trucks and T-38s are trainers ... neither of them can be replaced by JF-17.
TuAF is already getting the F-35 as an F-4 replacement and will probably come up with a local solution to replace the trainers.
 
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