Turkey is finished - Pepe Escobar

[Max]

It was CIA and Brezinski who were the handlers of osama and his mujahideens and others in Afghan.Not Pakistan .

Osama had no role in Soviet Afghan war.... Osama was menial worker in Afghan war.. he rose to prominence After Afghan war when he started quit Arab movement against USA's bases in middle east.. and his bombing spree in 90's.. get a life bhangi...

 

[Gazprom]

Osama had no role in Soviet Afghan war.... Osama was menial worker in Afghan war.. he rose to prominence After Afghan war when he started quit Arab movement against USA's bases in middle east.. and his bombing spree in 90's.. get a life bhangi...

Lol at the madrassa pakistani who think they defeated Soviet union.

 

[Max]

Lol at the madrassa pakistani who think they defeated Soviet union.

lol my mandirchaap neighbor.. again i never said we alone defeated soviets... i accepted in my 2nd last post that USA dumped weapon in Pakistan... which was great help for Mujhaideen.. especially stringers.. but saying that CIA was handling Mujahideeen or any troop from europe was there is biggest lie... its was ISI alone who did all this operation... its ISI alone who guided them and make strtiges.. last thing, i have no stamina to repeat one thing again and again we Pakistani find it awkward.. its animals habit to repeat again and again.. so bhai maaf kar...

"""""""""" yes PAkistan have no role in Afghan war... India, Bharat and Hindustan the super power defeated Russia... not even USA.. long live vedic shakti...""""""""""""""

 

[Srinivas]

Otherwise his small puppies cries river

what I have quoted is the truth, NATO will not come to the rescue they have already described this incident as a tussle between Turkey and Russia.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

They don't have to go that route. Afghanistan had ideological value and Russia thought it was a good idea to occupy. These turkmen don't have any value. Russia can just launch a few hydrogen bombs on those villages and it will be over. Very simple

Go ahead if you have the guts!

 

[TopCat]

are you comparing Russia to USA lol
wake up man

USA is the strongest nation on earth.. But who can come next? Saudi Arabia?

 

[Smart_boy]

I think Turkey did this mistake, and now they need to say officially sorry to Russia. All world wants to end the ISIS (Made by CIA/Mosaad/KSA/UK) chapter.

USA/West military industries only profitable during war.

 

[type93]

Go ahead if you have the guts!

There would literally be no consequence. In fact the turkmens are getting hit by air strikes now

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Turkey has over 300 upgraded jets with latest avionics (260 -16's all block 50+ and older F-4's like 60, but have avionics similar to -18', still excellent counter for any Mig, up to Mig-29).

Russia has about 700 top end fighter aircraft's including different variants of Mig 25, 29's, Mig-31, and SU-27, SU-30's, etc. So you pitch those against the Turks, Russia will lose about half of their fighter fleet. Turkey will lose their entire F-16's too. But the US can give them 100 -16's tomorrow if need be. But the Russians will have to "manufacture" lost jets!! What would happen to Russia's power projection and moral if they lost half of their Mig-29, 31's and SU-30's?? !!

Remainder of older jets are Turkey shoot for the Turkish AF (likes of older Mig, 21's, 23's and 29's). Not to mention the US will mobilize NATO assets the second they say more than 3-4 squadrons of Russian jets preparing for take off with weapons.

Also, on missiles and all.....firing a missile on Ankra would be a direct attack on NATO. You won't have internet after that happens. I'd be moving to the Moon with my girlfriend and we'll be watching fireworks from there. These war mongering posts of yours won't produce shiit. Imagine Japan before you write the next post

NATO will never fight Russia for a rogue muslim country, treat or no treaty.

If Russia decides to wipe out Turkey, NATO will warn but won't fire a single shot against Russia.

Turkish Air Force has a bunch of outdated F-16s and that's it, taking on the Su-30 and Su-35.....dream on.

Turkey is a weak military hiding behind NATO, but in a war against Russia, Turkey is all alone.

Russia should wipe a few turkmen jihadi villages right of the map

Russia has said they will retaliate if they are attacked and already the Russian missile cruiser is giving air cover.

Russia will dare Turkey to do it again.

Russia should bomb the Turkmen and bait the Turks.

 

[LeGenD]

Turkey is heavily militarized; there isnt much Russia can do covertly. ISI was able to break the soviet union.

Bro, lets not get carried away in our assumptions.

Contrary to the popular belief, USSR was not a single nation but the official identity of an alliance between 15 states that were known as Soviet Socialist Republics (SSR). Among these member states, Russia was the largest and most powerful, and was recognized as a Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (SFSR). Each SSR had its own communist government but Russia was the chief decision-maker. In short, USSR was similar to NATO in its makeup.

USSR formally seized to exist when Russia decided to adopt democracy (thanks to the idiot Boris Yeltsin). This move threatened the ideological dynamics of other SSR states and they collectively decided to terminate the alliance.

ISI didn't had the reach and means to split USSR. This is an absolutely misguided notion.

NATO will never fight Russia for a rogue muslim country, treat or no treaty.

If Russia decides to wipe out Turkey, NATO will warn but won't fire a single shot against Russia.

Turkish Air Force has a bunch of outdated F-16s and that's it, taking on the Su-30 and Su-35.....dream on.

Turkey is a weak military hiding behind NATO, but in a war against Russia, Turkey is all alone.

Rogue Muslim nation? What are you smoking?

Turkey is a powerful nation and a member of NATO. If Russia challenges Turkey, it is challenging NATO and all members of the NATO will be duty bound to help Turkey by any means necessary. Otherwise, NATO alliance will evaporate like a hot gas.

Outdated F-16s? They shot down several Russian aircraft in the Durand Line during 1980s and they are good enough to challenge any Russian aircraft at present. Don't be naive.

Russia has said they will retaliate if they are attacked and already the Russian missile cruiser is giving air cover.

Russia will dare Turkey to do it again.

Russia should bomb the Turkmen and bait the Turks.

We will see.

This is Turkey, not Afghanistan or Grozny.

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Bro, lets not get carried away in our assumptions.

Contrary to the popular belief, USSR was not a single nation but the official identity of an alliance between 15 states that were known as Soviet Socialist Republics (SSR). Among these member states, Russia was the largest and most powerful, and was recognized as a Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (SFSR). Each SSR had its own communist government but Russia was the chief decision-maker. In short, USSR was similar to NATO in its makeup.

USSR formally seized to exist when Russia decided to adopt democracy (thanks to the idiot Boris Yeltsin). This move threatened the ideological dynamics of other SSR states and they collectively decided to terminate the alliance.

ISI didn't had the reach and means to split USSR. This is an absolutely misguided notion.


Rogue Muslim nation? What are you smoking?

Turkey is a powerful nation and a member of NATO. If Russia challenges Turkey, it is challenging NATO and all members of the NATO will be duty bound to help Turkey by any means necessary. Otherwise, NATO alliance will evaporate like a hot gas.

Outdated F-16s? They shot down several Russian aircraft in the Durand Line during 1980s and they are good enough to challenge any Russian aircraft at present. Don't be naive.


We will see.

This is Turkey, not Afghanistan or Grozny.

LOL Turkey is an expendable country within NATO. Powerful my arse

NATO will only defend fellow Western countries, not a muslim country supporting terrorists. Western populations are already sick of muslims after Paris attacks and the last thing they will do is fight against Russia for a rogue muslim country. Many Western people on social media are against Turkey despite the West's rivalry with Russia.

West never treats muslim countries as equals, they will only use you for geopolitical gain. Nothing more, nothing less. Turkey is an expendable pawn in the West's rivalry with Russia. West will not go into an all out war for an expendable pawn.

Turkey has no chance. Indian Su-30 embarrassed a far superior fighter to the F-16 like the Eurofighter recently.

 

[-SINAN-]

here would literally be no consequence. In fact the turkmens are getting hit by air strikes now

Russia won't be nearing Turkish border anytime soon.... as soon as we downed Russian aircraft, Turkmen fighters go on offensive, they killed 200 SAA/Iranian soldiers and liberated the Turkmen Mountain.

Turkmen fighters recapture strategic point on Mount Turkmen

Good luck battling them. They are Turks, which makes them excellent fighters by default.

 

[LeGenD]

LOL Turkey is an expendable country within NATO. Powerful my arse

NATO will only defend fellow Western countries, not a muslim country supporting terrorists. Western populations are already sick of muslims after Paris attacks and the last thing they will do is fight against Russia for a rogue muslim country. Many Western people on social media are against Turkey despite the West's rivalry with Russia.

West never treats muslim countries as equals, they will only use you for geopolitical gain. Nothing more, nothing less. Turkey is an expendable pawn in the West's rivalry with Russia. West will not go into an all out war for an expendable pawn.

My friend,

NATO alliance is not a white privilege club. It is an alliance that should be taken seriously like USSR in earlier times.

You should get in touch with some news reports, leaders of NATO members are siding with Turkey on this incident.

For example, US president Barack Obama recently stated that Turkey have the right to defend its airspace. He also stated that Russians should not target a specific rebel group (operating in Syria) that is supported by NATO.

Turkey is also a contributor to advanced NATO military projects such as F-35. It [will] be taken seriously.

Turkey has no chance. Indian Su-30 embarrassed a far superior fighter to the F-16 like the Eurofighter recently.

Exercises prove nothing. They are conducted to simulate a scenario and gain experience from it.

Now, I am not interested in discussing the technicalities and theoretical outcomes of a clash between F-16 and advanced Russian Jet Fighters. However, assuming that an F-16 does not have the capability to shoot down latest Russian Jet Fighters in a [real conflict] is utterly idiotic. Dog-fights are nearly irrelevant in a modern conflict in the airspace; important factors are radar coverage, situational awareness, missiles types and timely decisions.

This information have been released by Turkey:

As you can see, Turkey was fully aware of the movements of the Russian Jet Fighter. This is known as situational awareness.

Turkey have access to advanced surveillance technologies and even have stockpiles of nuclear weapons (just in case).

All the chest thumping and false bravado does not changes the fact that Turkey is a powerful nation, a member of NATO and it should be taken seriously.

The best course of action for both the nations is to respect each other's integrity and interests and deescalate tensions. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[daring dude]

first of all, shooting a plane is not required if #Russians are on another mission. As turkey also violated Greek's Airspace several times in 2014. but under circumstances of not replying back of the Russian jets to the warnings from turkey, and identifying them as threat or unidentified jets Turkey shoot the Jets with their American Made F-16... as #Russians saying they did not received any warning or jets were in Syrian Airspace nor in Turkey airspace and this done by ground battery units, not by turkey's jets.. so both versions are different. but later in #American and #France meeting same day, France asked to closure of Syria-turkey border and USA Asked Russia to be their partners in International force bombarding #Syria... So through the course of the Situations taking place, like ISIS Attacks in France (even terrorists resided in Brussels) , france jumped in to International Force and bombarding Syria even more furiously....
Now their are 2 groups, one bombarding Assad's Assets (USA & Friend's) another bombarding Rebels against Assad trained & Weaponized by International Forces(Russia & Iran)..and claiming of Putin as Bash al Asad the only option for Syria in United nations..
So this blow will comes in 2 different ways, whether Nato and Russia comes face to face with each other..
or Russia will support USA on throwing out Assad's regime against Ukraine's stake...

 

[Raheel Khan_1]

Pakistani madrassas make them think that they defeated soviet union lol in afghan war

General Hamid Gul, Pakistan spymaster - obituary - Telegraph

Gul became head of the ISI in 1987 at a time when America and Saudi Arabia were using the agency to funnel billions of dollars and armaments to militant groups fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan – groups that would later become the Taliban and al-Qaeda.

One of his proudest possessions was a piece of the Berlin Wall, presented to him by the people of the city in gratitude for “delivering the first blow” to the Soviet empire through his use of jihadi fighters.

Rest of the world thinks otherwise.