Turkey & Iran and Iran and Arabs (The Political Differences)

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Political Difference:


--Nations that refuse to be ruled by others
Iranians : Nationalist - Free thinkers - Independent - High emphasis on Education , do not like to be dictated
Turkish: Nationalist -Very Progressive thinkers , Developed nation with Endless potential ,Great University and Education Free people

--Nations with exception individual briliance
Pakistanis : Suffering from Reliance on Masters (Post British era dependency), Low Education level -only 10% of potential reached, British ruled by means on army and that thinking has lingered since even after independence

*** Still being ruled by proxy funding from outside , and special interest groups after Liaqat ali
khan's assassination, and then Fatima Ali Jinah's failure in rigged elections. And currently
Zardari's reign

--Beduines
Arabs: No real focus - dependent on outside powers confused caused collapse of Ottoman been humiliated since by Dictators
No real focus on individual thinking and every thing is done with approval from outside

Libya had character but now they are another British colony and ruled by few gorillas with guns

 

[Mosamania]

--Beduines
Arabs: No real focus - dependent on outside powers confused caused collapse of Ottoman been humiliated since by Dictators
No real focus on individual thinking and every thing is done with approval from outside

Go to Hell you stupid asshole. How dare you call us Beduines you idiot scumbag??You have shown your true face your racist idiot face.

You know nothing about us nor will you ever do. Most Saudis are from the western region who were NEVER Beduines you idiot. An again you do not know anything.

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Excuse our friend Azad here who is an official ignorant bastard.

 

[nalandapride]

Can anyone tell me about Azeri people's relations with Turks and Farsi. As they are Tukic people similar to Turks but follow Shia Islam similiar to Iranians .

 

[darkinsky]

pakistan has real potential in population that makes us special

arabs have potential too, they are really hospitable people as good as it gets

 

[Gold1010]

Libya ruled by british?dont make me laugh.

And lol@blaming america for the differences if we are going to accuse US of Stirring the plot(they certaintly dont help no doubt) then Pakistan stirs the plot between China and India.

giggles @ saying everyone is united against muslims and that there arnt terrorists.

Aussie over and out hi moso

 

[darkinsky]

Go to Hell you stupid asshole. How dare you call us Beduines you idiot scumbag??You have shown your true face your racist idiot face.

You know nothing about us nor will you ever do. Most Saudis are from the western region who were NEVER Beduines you idiot. An again you do not know anything.

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Excuse our friend Azad here who is an official ignorant bastard.

lmao dude, chill out, only an opinion of one guy

 

[Mosamania]

Politically speaking on grounds of reality not propaganda and conspiracy theories:

Arab x Turkish: Turkey and Arab countries (I assume here by Arabs it is meant GCC countries) right now have relations that never been as high as it is now. Turkish and Arab culture have been mingling and intertwining for some years now right now if you turn on the TV you will find that 3/7 shows on TV are turkish and throughout my years going to Turkey I have noticed that lately Turkish people have been more and more welcome and open about us for instance it has gone from (Arab) to (Kardis). Turks in return are now adored in our society due to the cultural invasion of everything Turkish in our countries.

Iran x Arabs: Iran is trying to export its revolution we don't like it (case closed).

Iran x Turkish: I will not pretend I know everything there is to know about everything here like some people here. Because I do not know much on the subject.

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lmao dude, chill out, only an opinion of one guy

i find it extremely offensive to be called a Beduine like you don't believe.

 

[darkinsky]

i find it extremely offensive to be called a Beduine like you don't believe.

if you dont wanna feel bad about it, work on your image

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i edited my own post regarding the turkish nationalism

so here is the summary,

i think since turkey got kicked from EU application, i guess turks must realise they are not european, also europe is declining, its closing in to become stone age once again, where will you guys go again, asia??, look at greece, you can observe the picture, few liberal pakistanis have complex for colonialism too, but there is an increase of belonging to one's roots thing as we increase our middle class and as our relations with america sours

 

[Don Jaguar]

The most difficult thing to do in this world is "to unite muslims".

 

[darkinsky]

The most difficult thing to do in this world is "to unite muslims".

we have to abandon middle east to persue the muslim nationalism, middle east is too much riddled with western slavery of persuing nationalism, people there are too much in a complex of being birth place of islam

increasing relations with countries like indonesia and malaysia

arabs think they 'invented' islam, iranians think they invented their version of islam to suit them called shiaism, none of them actually practice properly

 

[Al Bhatti]

Political Difference:

--Nations that refuse to be ruled by others
Iranians : Nationalist - Free thinkers - Independent - High emphasis on Education , do not like to be dictated

Regime of the dictator Khamenei.

 

[darkinsky]

Only ones who have sympathy for Europe USA and Israel are liberals and foreign educated Kemalists. Nationalists and Islamists strongly opposes. Nationalists prefer Turkic people's over Iran and Arabs, while Islamist prefer Sunni Arabs over other Turkic people's.

well guess turkey cant be torn between those two factions, guess you need to find moderate balance solution for naionalists and islamists

nationalism is not OK

1) kemalists, tried and tested

islamists not OK

2) too much mullahism and claiming one's authority on islam and which leads to other factions

moderate is the path 'eytedaal or miyanaravi' islam teaches us

for pakistanis

 

[Abii]

Can anyone tell me about Azeri people's relations with Turks and Farsi. As they are Tukic people similar to Turks but follow Shia Islam similiar to Iranians .

well you can read about Azarbaijanis and their culture on the internet, but you also need to differenciate between the former Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan and Iranian Azerbaijan. Iran fought a few wars with Russia that all ended in defeat for Iran. Russia ended up annexing a chunk of Northern Iran. That's how the modern day republic of Azerbaijan came to existence. Today they're highly influenced by Russia culture (as all the republics were/are). Iranian Azeris are similarly influenced by Persian culture.

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Regime of the dictator Khamenei.

Pa Pati has spoken

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Go to Hell you stupid asshole. How dare you call us Beduines you idiot scumbag??You have shown your true face your racist idiot face.

You know nothing about us nor will you ever do. Most Saudis are from the western region who were NEVER Beduines you idiot. An again you do not know anything.

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Excuse our friend Azad here who is an official ignorant bastard.

January 19, 2012
The day Bedouin became a swear word lmao

 

[FriendOfPakistan]

Iran is following a totally different model from Turkey. I am not saying it is better but it is definitely much more risky, dangerous, and has yielded few tangible returns for the average person.

Iran has chosen to confront the rulers of the planet, develop an indigenous and increasingly sophisticated arms industry, emphasized scientific research, with an economy that is mostly state controlled and geared towards satisfying internal needs, and imposed religious laws on people. Iran is hoping to gain a sphere of influence in the region, esp. Shiite countries, at the expense of the US. The rigidity and authoritarianism of Iran's ruler makes the regime seem unstable, and the confrontation with USrael may put a big brake on everything there.

Turkey has chosen to befriend the rulers of the world (USrael), integrate its economy with Europe, focus on industrial exports and private sector to fuel its economy, and allow people social freedoms (secularism). Turkey is working hand in hand with the US to help expand and preserve the US sphere of influence, with the hope that once US exits the region, those Sunni Arab countries will fall into its lap. It plays to the Arab street by scolding Israel but never taking any action against it. It hopes to capture Arab markets and investment - make money from the Arabs. Over time Arabs will resent Turks, and oppose them once agin, but by that time Turkey would have milked them dry and grown much in vigor.

Arab masses are gullible, very emotional, and prone to manipulation. Arab countries are very dependent on the outside, lack focus, and generally think short term. Only the UAE has had good management and vision, and although they are heavily dependent on the outside they have achieved what seemed to be unthinkable decades ago. About Saudi Arabia, we have to wait and see. Perhaps it is making more serious efforts to develop, but at the same time it is very actively working to weaken, if not destroy, Iran and is an accomplice to the rulers of the world (USrael). Egypt is in transition with an uncertain future. Iraq will take a long time to recover. Syria is unstable. The Maghreb is limping along, and so far, nothing spectacular there.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Go to Hell you stupid asshole. How dare you call us Beduines you idiot scumbag??You have shown your true face your racist idiot face.

You know nothing about us nor will you ever do. Most Saudis are from the western region who were NEVER Beduines you idiot. An again you do not know anything.

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Excuse our friend Azad here who is an official ignorant bastard.

Your passion is justified but wrongly addressed

Bedouin, is a completely normal name for Arabs , and their heritage (desert going etc , camel riding and hawk flying) now its driving a land cruiser in desert dunes etc .. I hope you get what I am saying its a completely harmless term

You will be astonished that most Westerners , associate Arabs with Bedouin tribes , unless you happen to be a city dweller

Most of the civilized cultured things were attained during Ottoman Empire Muslims who helped develop the Bedouin lands (examples exotic baths, belly dancers, music , arts , culture , tea , shawarma (its a Turkish dish by the way)

Fact:
>Arab Bedouin leaders, now called royal highness of course , have allowed France , USA, UK to put soldiers on lands

If perhaps you can say otherwise then you have a point

But last time I checked that Bedouins were trying to buy weapons worth billions form Master Nations.

Its pretty funny one one hand Bedouins say they care for Palestine , yet on other hand they themselves were major cause of creation of Israel


Modern Age Bedouins

, in outdoors dancing with swords

Interesting culture

Man Enjoying Tea Bedouin of course in desert

Is there a problem with Bedouin culture NO... CERTAINLY NOT ..

So I am a bit shocked why would you get offended by the term Bedouin , while it may be a modern fashion statement to be not called Bedouin but its part of your heritage nothing to be ashamed of just need to stop "selling your national interest" for short term gains