Turkey invites Malaysia to join its TF-X future fighter jet program

[Pakistani Fighter]

Man wish Egypt can also participate

 

[bluesky]

How would you suggest one fix the problem?

Do you think anyone can change the mindset of our half-learned politicians to fix the present to build a better future? I am not going to suggest anything. But, let me say on two govt organizations. By Jove, I have been seeing since my childhood a few huge buildings in the Faridpur-Jessore road which is named something like, "Jute Research Center". No one really knows what is being done there.

Now, three years ago, I saw another such center in the Faridpur-Rajbari/Goalundo road which has been named, "Masalla (Spice) Research Center". It is quite away from the main road. It means a big land had to be acquired to make the accesses and construct buildings.

There must be similar organizations throughout the country. Can someone tell me what is the purpose of such idiotic organizations? These were/are probably built at the instigation of some politicians or bureaucrats where a few of their relatives can find govt jobs. Can someone very patriotic tell me what these are all about?

So, Mr. @Avicenna of America, please tell me how to fix all those issues of not nurturing the talents when the country is run by a few novices? Bd is in reality not conductive to create talents. So, out of those people who go abroad, a few show their worth in the foreign countries where the environment is conducive to do researches.

@Atlas, @Homo Sapiens, @TopCat

 

[Zayan]

why you thinks that they should develop/get 4th gen jets first then thinks for 5th gen jets, its their choice, and this is just an offer for them by Turkey, let them decide first

Would pakistani policymakers want Bangladesh (balls of india) in it
Turkey can station some of their jets their but giving such a technology to a of india bitch

Joining this project isn't day dream of Hasina like sending voyage to moon. It's all about defense. I think we should take it as top priority over everything. Defense should be considered as necessary as 5 basic needs. Situation is fast changing in the world and specially in this south Asian region. So Bangladesh is under threat, and we can't believe anyone 100%. So when it's the question of defending our country I would give it a top priority. I don't know from where the money will come, but if govt can manage money, then why can't we join here? Of course we can join and we should join.


There is a difference between railway, BIMAN and other govt corporation than this one. If Bangladesh will join in this project I am sure it will be supervised under Bangladesh armed forces who's record is very good, and they are totally a corruption free organization in Bangladesh ; perhaps the only organization that is corruption free and also not politicalized. So yes I don't think that there is possibilty to be failed (due to corruption) in this sector if we can join.

Accept of themselves, is Bangladesh have any enemy?
Its not your mode
Keep on building economic and asian tiger
Until hasena is their you guys don't need any enemy

 

[beijingwalker]

I think Pakistan should join this project, as it will be beneficial in the long term.

If you have enough money, patience and don't care about decades long waiting.

Turkey’s TF-X fighter unlikely to get off the ground in the 2020s

• Jan 16 2020 02:28 Gmt+3
• Last Updated On: Jan 16 2020 02:34 Gmt+3

Turkey’s bid to build a fifth-generation stealth fighter is behind schedule and the warplanes might not even get off the ground by the end of the decade.

Turkey is aiming to become a major arms producer, both as a source of export revenues and to become more immune from possible foreign embargoes. That goal has become urgent after the United States last year suspended Turkey from the programme to help U.S. firm Lockheed Martin produce F-35 advanced fighters due to Ankara’s purchase of Russian S-400 air defence missiles.

Turkey’s defence undersecretary said in 2013 it would replace its fleet of F-16s with newer domestically made fighters by 2023. In November, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said Turkey’s own TF-X fifth generation fighter jet would be ready for flight in the next five or six years. But even that later target looks unlikely to be met.

A fifth-generation jet fighter utilises the very latest stealth technology to make it all-but invisible to radar and has computer systems integrated with other elements in the battle arena. Only the United States and China currently have fifth generation fighters in operation.

“For Turkey to develop a truly capable fifth-generation fighter would be a huge challenge, especially in just five years,” said Michael Peck, a writer who covers defence issues for the National Interest magazine.

Justin Bronk, a research fellow who specialises in combat air power and technology at the London-based Royal United Services Institute think tank, said the idea that Turkey could develop and field a functional fifth-generation jet fighter within a decade “is fantasy”.

The United States suspended Turkey from the U.S. F-35 manufacturing programme and blocked the sale of 100 of the jets the Turkish military had ordered after the first components of Russian S-400 missiles arrived at an air base outside Ankara in July. U.S. and NATO officials say deploying the S-400s alongside the F-35s would allow Russia to collect data on the jets’ defences.

But Erdoğan has vowed not to back down on the purchase of the S-400s, and the U.S. administration is still firmly against selling F-35s to Turkey unless it reverses its deal with Russia. If Turkey wants a fifth-generation fighter, that puts the emphasis back on the TF-X project.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said in December that Turkey was seeking to revive a deal with Rolls-Royce to jointly produce engines for the aircraft. The British company said in March last year that it had scaled back its participation in the TF-X project as it was unwilling to share its intellectual property with Turkish vehicle manufacturer BMC. It is unclear whether Turkey is now willing to compromise with Rolls-Royce on the issue.

“If Turkey is genuinely seeking Rolls-Royce as the propulsion partner for a domestic TF-X airframe then the prospects for a renewed partnership are reasonably good,” said Bronk. “However, if Turkey is really looking for large-scale technology transfer of high-end military turbofan manufacturing techniques to develop domestic production capacity, then Rolls Royce will refuse.”

Levent Özgül, a defence analyst for BlueMelange Consultancy, said it was impossible to talk about a fifth-generation fighter without a fifth-generation engine. Even Rolls-Royce, he said, lacks the technology to build one. The United States is the “sole address for this tech”, he said.

In a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Erdoğan said Turkey could buy fifth-generation Su-57 jet fighters from Russia. But these aircraft are also unlikely to be functional and ready for export this decade, experts say.

“Russia could not build real fifth-generation Izdeliye 30 engines for its Su-57 despite a 15-year development history, and the first serial production Su-57 fighter crashed last month,” Özgül said.

Bronk also pointed to Russia’s failure to develop a fully functional fifth-generation jet fighter and said that Britain, despite its experience in helping develop the F-35 and its strong industrial base, was “in some areas not sure it can afford to develop and field its own next-generation fighter”.

“Turkey will struggle more than any of these given its lack of domestic experience and intellectual property in building combat aircraft,” Bronk said.

Turkey nevertheless unveiled a full-scale model of the TF-X jet at the Paris Air Show in June last year. But experts were unimpressed.

Building “something that looks a bit like an F-22 is comparatively easy”, Bronk said, referring to the fourth generation U.S. stealth fighter, but building “something that actually functions like a fifth-generation fighter is extremely different, and something which so far only the U.S. and, arguably, China have managed.”

“There is more to a true fifth-generation fighter than just having a stealth shape,” said Peck. “The F-35 is a formidable aircraft because it combines stealth with other features, such as sophisticated sensors and data networking that allow it to coordinate operations with other aircraft.”

https://ahvalnews.com/tf-x/turkeys-tf-x-fighter-unlikely-get-ground-2020s

 

[Avicenna]

Do you think anyone can change the mindset of our half-learned politicians to fix the present to build a better future? I am not going to suggest anything. But, let me say on two govt organizations. By Jove, I have been seeing since my childhood a few huge buildings in the Faridpur-Jessore road which is named something like, "Jute Research Center". No one really knows what is being done there.

Now, three years ago, I saw another such center in the Faridpur-Rajbari/Goalundo road which has been named, "Masalla (Spice) Research Center". It is quite away from the main road. It means a big land had to be acquired to make the accesses and construct buildings.

There must be similar organizations throughout the country. Can someone tell me what is the purpose of such idiotic organizations? These were/are probably built at the instigation of some politicians or bureaucrats where a few of their relatives can find govt jobs. Can someone very patriotic tell me what these are all about?

So, Mr. @Avicenna of America, please tell me how to fix all those issues of not nurturing the talents when the country is run by a few novices? Bd is in reality not conductive to create talents. So, out of those people who go abroad, a few show their worth in the foreign countries where the environment is conducive to do researches.

@Atlas, @Homo Sapiens, @TopCat

If you're complaining about half-learned politicians making policy decisions.

I can only point to our president here in the US. (Not to mention the countless others elected in smaller offices)

That sort of thing happens everywhere.

But I asked you a question out of genuine curiosity.

You failed to answer it.

I don't know what the solution is.

The solution in the past was for people to move out.

As my family did in the early 1970's to the US.

Their kids are all doing fantastic here.

Perhaps yours was to go to Japan.

That sort of thing CAN NOT continue to happen if countries like Bangladesh ever hope to progress.

Mind you, this brain drain is not specific to Bangladesh of course.

 

[bluesky]

The United States suspended Turkey from the U.S. F-35 manufacturing programme and blocked the sale of 100 of the jets the Turkish military had ordered after the first components of Russian S-400 missiles arrived at an air base outside Ankara in July. U.S. and NATO officials say deploying the S-400s alongside the F-35s would allow Russia to collect data on the jets’ defences.

Erdogan has become too arrogant to change his country's side from that of pro-America to something like pro-Russia. Or we can say, Erdogan is trying to stand on two boats at the same time. I wonder, if this policy can bear fruits or ruin the country's defense future.

Building a new plane and that is a stealth one may be too far away for Turkey. I hope, meanwhile, it does not lose the friendship of the Western countries. Whatever may be its past, it has to be a friend of the West.