Turkey hopes to conclude a major defense deal with Saudi Arabia

[Saif al-Arab]

Why are you so jealous, atleast we have a real economy and arabs just selling oil that's not a real economy

You produce nothing when the oil runs out your civilization will collapse and you will return to the deserts to live in tents

You can't even dream of having an industry and economy like turkey no arab country comes even close but lets say turkish economy is a joke compared developped countries in this case what does that make yours it must be even worse then my shet

The non-gas/oil economy of the Arab world is almost twice as big as the Turkish economy. You are mistaken if you think that we have no "real" economy. GCC alone has sovereign wealth funds worth USD 3 trillion. We are moving away from dependence on oil/gas if you have not noticed. We have very young and GROWING populations and a huge potential.

As per almost all economic surveys showing the size of economies in 2050 etc. KSA alone (let alone the entire Arab world) will be just 1 place behind Turkey. Just like today.

The Arab civilization never collapsed. You are surrounded by it but you do not notice it. Especially in Southern Turkey. With all due respect it has been the single most influential civilization in the Islamic world for the past 1400 years. That same Arab world is the home of the oldest known civilizations and oldest continuously inhabited cities. You are not talking about Sub-Saharan Africa or the Australian bush here. We were great people before Islam, after and LONG before anyone had heard about oil or gas.

Also you just once again proved that you are not an Syrian from Aleppo as you originally lied about, that you are neither an Turk of Arab descent from Adana (no person of Arab descent would write such an ignorant post about his own people) and if you not being able to reply to my Arabic sentences was not enough prove of you being an false-flagger, I would not be surprised if you are in fact a non-Turk Israeli/Iranian troll here to provoke Arabs deliberately.

And nobody is anti-Turkey here. How many Arabs do you see on PDF who are trolling Turkey/obsessed about Turks? There is nobody. However when trolls like you troll us what do you expect exactly? Flowers in return? We are much more kind towards your likes than you are to us. So stop crying about "racism" which is a joke.

LOL, so you're not even from Turkey but you still sharing your views here and pretending to be one of them.
Why don't you just use your real shitty country flag instead of using others? don't be shy of who you are.

I'm still wondering what are the MODS doing here on this forum.

He is not an Arab for sure. Whether he is Turk or not nobody can know but a false-flagger he is definitely. Just ignore him.

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

Hey guys.. Sorry to burst the bubble guys, but seriously man I have the feeling that some Turkish guys on this thread, especially the shepherd guy, think that Turkey is some kind of super power ???
I live in the Netherlands and I grew up with a lot of Turkish people around me.. I can explain this 'Oh look at us, we are the best' behaviour.. Turkish people are very nationalistic people, very pride people as well. It doesnt necessarily have to be a bad thing, but it can go too far. I am a Moroccan living in the Netherlands and as a non-saudi and non-turkey I can tell u the following:
-Turkey is regarded as a strong, nice and important country in the islamic world.
-Saudi Arabia is regarded as a rich and by far the most important country in the islamic world.

Why? Every muslim would take arms and go and defend the holy sites in Saudi Arabia. If Saudi Arabia would come under attack, be it Israel or Iran or United Stated or whoever is the aggressor, no muslim would be a muslim if he allows it to happen. Even Turkish people would fight and die for it.

Tbh I dont understand ur quarrel, this deal, if it happens, is good for both countries. Turkey has the technological capabilities and Saudi Arabia has the resources. Dont forget that all islamic countries combined are a huge potential market. I just hope all muslim countries will unite, cooperate and create stronger military industries among them.. So that we will once stand as strong and proud as we once stood.

But my etnicity is not turk i am arab however my nationality is just turkish so this talk about turks being nationalistic doesnt apply to me

So you are not an Arab? Have you given up the facade?

I also hope you realize that infrastructure and population do not disappear when natural resources dry up. I also suggest you realize many Arab countries have,and are starting to move away from oil reliance.

Nonetheless should the oil run out the monarchs have enough money invested to keep going for a long time...

We arabs lasted over 7000 years without oil, we will last another 7000 more without them. No worries.

Why are you so anti-turkey just because i stand for turkey doesnt mean i am non arab??? Wtf is wrong with you arabist racists

LOL, so you're not even from Turkey but you still sharing your views here and pretending to be one of them.
Why don't you just use your real shitty country flag instead of using others? don't be shy of who you are.

I'm still wondering what are the MODS doing here on this forum.

Why do you become angry bro did i hit a nerve??

You don't produce anything just selling oil this is the truth deal with it.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Why are you so anti-turkey just because i stand for turkey doesnt mean i am non arab??? Wtf is wrong with you arabist racists

When did I ever bring up Turkey? I refuted your points about Arabs not being able to survive without oil which is just an incredibly stupid statement.

Also you aren't an Arab stop pretending because we already know from how you write.

arabist racists

and arabs just selling oil that's not a real economy

you will return to the deserts to live in tents

no arab country comes even close but lets say

You keep writing like Arabs are the "other" or are separate from you making it obvious that you aren't an Arab.

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

These arabs thinking of themselves as france or germany or something omg

 

[Saif al-Arab]

When did I ever bring up Turkey? I refuted your points about Arabs not being able to survive without oil which is just an incredibly stupid statement.

Also you aren't an Arab stop pretending because we already know from how you write.








You keep writing like Arabs are the "other" or are separate from you making it obvious that you aren't an Arab.

He already changed his story 2 times in this thread. First he was not an Turk but an Syrian from Aleppo living in Adana. Afterwards he became a Turk with Arab ancestors (distant) living in Adana. Any Syrian from Aleppo let alone an Arab would understand and reply to what I wrote in Arabic to him. He did not however. There is no need to discuss the obvious any longer. Just ignore him and let him live in his fantasy world. For all I care he can think that we are only allowed to use Arabian horses and camels as land transportation methods and dhow's at sea. Who cares? Too much time has already been wasted.

These arabs thinking of themselves as france or germany or something omg

Once again you are living in your own fantasy world and creating your own reality. Not our problem really. Grow up.

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

When did I ever bring up Turkey? I refuted your points about Arabs not being able to survive without oil which is just an incredibly stupid statement.

Also you aren't an Arab stop pretending because we already know from how you write.








You keep writing like Arabs are the "other" or are separate from you making it obvious that you aren't an Arab.

Well it may appear to you like that but it is what it is.

You can't just handle the truth that an turkish citizen of arab descent loves turkey thats your real problem

I will support turkey anyday over arab countries

 

[Hossiiee]

@Shepherd7

So ur not a Turkish nationalistic, neither an arab citizen.. Just an inbetween nobody. Stop ur baseless hatred towards arab countries.. Its types like you that harnass a united islamic front.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Well it may appear to you like that but it is what it is.

You can't just handle the truth that an turkish citizen of arab descent loves turkey thats your real problem

I will support turkey anyday over arab countries

I don't expect any Turkish Arab to prefer Arab countries over this own just like I have never witnessed or expect any citizen of an Arab country of Turkish/Turkic descent to support a foreign country over that of his own. However I know Arabs sufficiently well enough (those living in non-Arab countries in Africa, Latin America, Europe, North America, Middle Eastern countries such as Turkey and Iran (where there are substantial Arab minorities) and elsewhere in the world) that they have self-respect and are very proud of their heritage and identity. They would never behave as you have behaved let alone written so many ignorant claims about themselves and their history. This is impossible. Not even the worst sellouts act this way.

Arab Jews who were chased away from their ancestral homelands by Arab regimes in the wake of Israel's creation still feel a deep attachment to their ancestral land and sing songs about their ancestral lands.

And those people have every right to hate Arab regimes and some Arab Muslims.

Yet most do not and we have examples of this in the form of Israeli users such as @DavidSling @jewishm etc. That should tell everything.

Listen to this nice song by a famous Israeli Yemenite Jew called Zion Golan.

And surprise, surprise Yemeni Arab Muslims, Arabs from across the world (Morocco, Algeria, Iraq etc.) are writing greetings to Yemen and the Yemeni people on Youtube. LOL, what a surprise!

However the problem with you is that instead of being truthful and arguing your case you tried to lie to make your case stronger while being caught in the act and afterwards you went berserk. You should not blame me or other Arab users in this thread but yourself. Also once again quit playing the victim card. No Arab user insulted Turkey here expect for me calling Erdogan a populist and hypocrite which I stand by as I consider most if not all Muslim leaders/regimes to be that and useless by large. As are most politicians and leaders by default btw. which is why I personally would prefer a combination of meritocracy, democracy (in the form of some form of direct participation of people) and Islamic values.

Okey lets just agree to disagree

Sharif i will prove you soon with pictures of myself and my name and everything



Are you an arab or berber?

There is nothing to prove. You already proved what needed to be proven. As for personal details, I am not interested in any personal details of anyone here and neither do I expect to receive any even if I wanted to have your "data".

Are you an arab or berber?

First go and lecture your own people which call themselves berbers to respect arabs then come back and teach an actual arab about love and respect to arabs

This gets better and better.

Most Moroccans are Arab-Berber mixtures and those identities do not conflict with each other outside of a few loud Berbers (almost all of them being migrants in France or the Netherlands and Riffian Berbers) who want outsiders and their own to recognize them as hardly anyone knows what a Berber is to begin with, what their culture is, their language etc. Outside of the Maghreb that is. This is the reality and I do not blame them however they fail to understand how similar Berber culture is to Arabic culture and even was pre-Islam. Of course you cannot reason with hardcore nationalists who talk about "throwing the Arabs out of Morocco and Algeria" or talk about "being oppressed" despite this not being the case.
You can say that their (Arab-Berber) relationship is similar to that of a Turk from Turkey and a Turk from Central Asia expect for looking more alike in terms of physical appearance. In other words very close.

And Moroccans and Arabs have great relationships in person and on a government level. Morocco is only at odds with Algeria (not people which is typical for Arabs but rather regime against regime and blind regime supporters against other blind regime supporters) and the Sahrawi question.

I have been to Morocco a couple of times and I have only been met with incredible warmth every single time. By Moroccan Arabs and the Berbers of the Atlas. As are Moroccans visiting KSA/other Arab countries.

 

[GOLDENEAGLE1]

I did notgo beserk thats not right, i just said your equipment is shet quality also so is turkeys ones whichever they had buyed off the shelff which is true but then you began insulting me

Dude those ones who call themselves berber use the word arab as a insult just like kemalist turks they hate arabs too

Where is the morrocan he has a thing or two to explain here

 

[Hossiiee]

I don't expect any Turkish Arab to prefer Arab countries over this own just like I have never witnessed or expect any citizen of an Arab country of Turkish/Turkic descent to support a foreign country over that of his own. However I know Arabs sufficiently well enough (those living in non-Arab countries in Africa, Latin America, Europe, North America, Middle Eastern countries such as Turkey and Iran (where there are substantial Arab minorities) and elsewhere in the world) that they have self-respect and are very proud of their heritage and identity. They would never behave as you have behaved let alone written so many ignorant claims about themselves and their history. This is impossible. Not even the worst sellouts act this way.

Arab Jews who were chased away from their ancestral homelands by Arab regimes in the wake of Israel's creation still feel a deep attachment to their ancestral land and sing songs about their ancestral lands.

And those people have every right to hate Arab regimes and some Arab Muslims.

Yet most do not and we have examples of this in the form of Israeli users such as @DavidSling @jewishm etc. That should tell everything.

Listen to this nice song by a famous Israeli Yemenite Jew called Zion Golan.

And surprise, surprise Yemeni Arab Muslims, Arabs from across the world (Morocco, Algeria, Iraq etc.) are writing greetings to Yemen and the Yemeni people on Youtube. LOL, what a surprise!

However the problem with you is that instead of being truthful and arguing your case you tried to lie to make your case stronger while being caught in the act and afterwards you went berserk. You should not blame me or other Arab users in this thread but yourself. Also once again quit playing the victim card. No Arab user insulted Turkey here expect for me calling Erdogan a populist and hypocrite which I stand by as I consider most if not all Muslim leaders/regimes to be that and useless by large. As are most politicians and leaders by default btw. which is why I personally would prefer a combination of meritocracy, democracy (in the form of some form of direct participation of people) and Islamic values.




There is nothing to prove. You already proved what needed to be proven. As for personal details, I am not interested in any personal details of anyone here and neither do I expect to receive any even if I wanted to have your "data".



This gets better and better.

Most Moroccans are Arab-Berber mixtures and those identities do not conflict with each other outside of a few loud Berbers (almost all of them being migrants in France or the Netherlands and Riffian Berbers) who want outsiders and their own to recognize them as hardly anyone knows what a Berber is to begin with, what their culture is, their language etc. Outside of the Maghreb that is. This is the reality and I do not blame them however they fail to understand how similar Berber culture is to Arabic culture and even was pre-Islam. Of course you cannot reason with hardcore nationalists who talk about "throwing the Arabs out of Morocco and Algeria" or talk about "being oppressed" despite this not being the case.
You can say that their (Arab-Berber) relationship is similar to that of a Turk from Turkey and a Turk from Central Asia expect for looking more alike in terms of physical appearance. In other words very close.

And Moroccans and Arabs have great relationships in person and on a government level. Morocco is only at odds with Algeria (not people which is typical for Arabs but rather regime against regime and blind regime supporters against other blind regime supporters) and the Sahrawi question.

I have been to Morocco a couple of times and I have only been met with incredible warmth every single time. By Moroccan Arabs and the Berbers of the Atlas. As are Moroccans visiting KSA/other Arab countries.

You are totally right about the Berber-Arab relationship. I am a Riffian Berber and I have to say most berbers and arabs from Morocco are all united as Moroccans.. There are some exceptions (the hardcore ones).. But overall the relationship is very good and there is no hatred among Moroccans. Language is quite different from arabic tho. I think the kingdom of Saudi Arabia could learn a thing or two about the Moroccan kingdom. I seriously doubt there is any king in the world who does so much for his country as the Moroccan king. The dispute with Algeria is really sad tho, but very understandable from the Moroccan point of view, because the Algerian regime (and the old Libyan regime) are the ones who created and supported Polisario to fight against Morocco and make the West Sahara part of Morocco into a dispute. The Moroccans never really wanted a dispute there, because it has always belonged to Morocco. There has also been a border dispute between Morocco and Algeria.. But those disputes are all the results of the colonial occupuations of France and Spain who drew borders as they seemed fit to.

 

[Attila the Hun]

So you are not an Arab? Have you given up the facade?

I also hope you realize that infrastructure and population do not disappear when natural resources dry up. I also suggest you realize many Arab countries have,and are starting to move away from oil reliance.

Nonetheless should the oil run out the monarchs have enough money invested to keep going for a long time...

We arabs lasted over 7000 years without oil, we will last another 7000 more without them. No worries.

He is a Kurd/AKP loser. He attacked me a few months back for being a nationalist lol He has hatred for Ataturk too.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You are totally right about the Berber-Arab relationship. I am a Riffian Berber and I have to say most berbers and arabs from Morocco are all united as Moroccans.. There are some exceptions (the hardcore ones).. But overall the relationship is very good and there is no hatred among Moroccans. Language is quite different from arabic tho. I think the kingdom of Saudi Arabia could learn a thing or two about the Moroccan kingdom. I seriously doubt there is any king in the world who does so much for his country as the Moroccan king. The dispute with Algeria is really sad tho, but very understandable from the Moroccan point of view, because the Algerian regime (and the old Libyan regime) are the ones who created and supported Polisario to fight against Morocco and make the West Sahara part of Morocco into a dispute. The Moroccans never really wanted a dispute there, because it has always belonged to Morocco. There has also been a border dispute between Morocco and Algeria.. But those disputes are all the results of the colonial occupuations of France and Spain who drew borders as they seemed fit to.

Besides even outside of Morocco and Algeria Arabs and Berbers are brothers and sisters and we are closely related people with many similarities. Yes, the language is quite different but it belongs to the same language family (Afro-Asiatic) and an Arab could learn Berber relatively easily and vice versa.

I do know that you have not made any comment about this (which I am happy about) but what I initially meant is that some of those ultranationalistic Berbers in the diaspora (where they are mostly located from my experience) are writing like they were heavily oppressed in Morocco and Algeria (Kabyle) which is not my experience. Moreover they are forgetting that intermarriages between Arabs and Berbers have taken place to such an extend for 1400 years + that it is very rare to find any "pure" (no such thing to begin with) Arab or Berber any longer. To me it is a ridiculous thing to concentrate about. I also once read comments about them wanting to divide Morocco and Algeria but I do not think that they speak for anyone but themselves and maybe a minority of like-minded people.

To tell you honestly, I don't really look at Berbers as foreigners. At least never those that I have met in person.

Naturally the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (or Southern Morocco as I prefer to call it) should belong to Morocco as it did throughout most of history. In fact one could argue that some areas of Western Algeria belongs to historical Morocco. As for the borders, sounds familiar, lol.

 

[waz]

The thread is closed pending a talk with my two brothers arguing. Thank you.