Turkey Fears Russia Too Much to Intervene in Syria

[Arzamas 16]

Let's keep it civil. Some people twist reality, in the first Chechen war Russian forces easily overpower Chechnya, the problem for the Russian military was gorilla warfare and incompetent leadership.

The second time around, the Russian military did very well from mistakes learned the first time around.


When facing Georgia the Russian military caused the georgian military to collapse within days. All the conflicts gave the Russian military combat experience, we learned from mistakes and improved what worked. Since Georgia, the Russian military has modernized and reformed.

Bro, I know all that, better tell the Turk inbreeds, not me.

 

[atatwolf]

Let's keep it civil. Some people twist reality, in the first Chechen war Russian forces easily overpower Chechnya, the problem for the Russian military was gorilla warfare and incompetent leadership.

You are twisting reality actually. Why did you gave independence to Chechnya if you controlled the place? Chechens totally annihilated Russian troops. Russians only won second Chechen war because Chechens started fighting each other for power. Otherwise you would have lost second Chechen war too.

When facing Georgia the Russian military caused the georgian military to collapse within days. All the conflicts gave the Russian military combat experience, we learned from mistakes and improved what worked. Since Georgia, the Russian military has modernized and reformed.

Sorry but Georgia was another humiliation for Russians. Couple of Georgians held of Russian army for days with just couple of Turkish Armed Otokar vehicles..

You only won because of overwelming air strikes. If Georgia had proper air defence, you would have lost the battle.

THATS HOW YOU MEASURE POWER.

Dude, you gave independence to Chechnya in first Chechen war, hahaaha, don't talk about power, haha

 

[ptldM3]

You are twisting reality actually. Why did you gave independence to Chechnya if you controlled the place? Chechens totally annihilated Russian troops. Russians only won second Chechen war because Chechens started fighting each other for power. Otherwise you would have lost second Chechen war too.



Sorry but Georgia was another humiliation for Russians. Couple of Georgians held of Russian army for days with just couple of Turkish Armed Otokar vehicles..

You only won because of overwelming air strikes. If Georgia had proper air defence, you would have lost the battle.


Dude, you gave independence to Chechnya in first Chechen war, hahaaha, don't talk about power, haha

This is silly, your video showed Georgian forces when they initially attacked south Ossetia. And your facts are backwards the Georgians attacked Russian piece keepers but ended up retreating after fierce resistance and georgian losses.

Russian airpower was almost a none factor, they did not even participate in much of the battles.

 

[mahatir]

Guys who gives a crap about Russia , they are not part of our region anyhow , Russia is neglected by both West and East , they have no place to fit in .

 

[Arzamas 16]

Guys who gives a crap about Russia , they are not part of our region anyhow , Russia is neglected by both West and East , they have no place to fit in .

The fact that Russia alone is blocking the interests of all the Gulf Arab states, USA, NATO in Syria, ohh but don't worry were not important

 

[mahatir]

But that doesn't take away "mighty" Russia lost against couple of Chechens in the FIRST Chechen war. You did gave them independence. Just imagine Russia declaring war on Turkey tomorrow, all of Chechens, Tatars, Central-Asians would declare holy war against Russia. Russia KNOWS it doesn't want to **** around with us because it is in the best interest for Russia. Russia has 1 billion of trade with Turkey.


No, your Russian women are just easy, there are tons in Turkey looking for Turkish delight. We don't come to Russia for your women, your women come to us. There is a big difference.

The Reason some Russians feel uncomfortable about seeing Assad gone is that Turkey will have a land route to the richest energy resources in the world " Gulf region " .

Gas and oil pipelines from the Gulf through Jordan and Syria to Turkey could not only make Turkey stop using Iranian and Russian gas , but also free the whole of Europe, then Russia would have nothing left to export to Europe or have any influence on Europe.

World Gas reserves

List of countries by natural gas proven reserves - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves


The Gulf has more gas and oil reserves than Russia .

If Turkey , Gulf , azerbijan and North Africa join their hands together into integrating their Economies then we could see a new Brics in middle east lead by Turkey and Saudi Arabia .

We have all resources and man power for such thing , Just needs political well and I can see it on both Sides .

Anyway neither Iran or Russia belong to this part of the world .

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Quality of the thread was pretty poor,all over a thread started as iranian flame bait mostly,both turk and russ member fall for it.And its no shame to be apprehensive about a massive world's largest country sitting on your doorstep,but to say 'scared' is not right word.

 

[mahatir]

The fact that Russia alone is blocking the interests of all the Gulf Arab states, USA, NATO in Syria, ohh but don't worry were not important

Half of Syria is out of Assad control , the Reason Nato is not taking action is to make Iran and Hizbullah waste their resources over a lost War , this more like the Vietnam of Iran and Hizbullah .

At the end if negotiations do not work some strikes over Assad coastal regions and he will give up , Just like what happened with Serbs your cousins in Kosovo and you were watching.

Supplying Assad with some cruise missiles wount change **** .

By the way routes to Europe and Turkey from Gulf is through Suez Canal and simply Syria will be an additional route over land in the Future.

As I told you Russia has no influence in middle east except over a falling Regime in Syria other than that you have nothing in this part of the World. Eastern Europe is now part of Nato Club, Central Asia is being taken over by China economically and you will end up Isolated in your large Ice land up near the north pole.

Wait till the USA shale production reaches its optimum 3 years from now and pipelines run from the middle east to Turkey , you will lose your major cash revenue from gas and oil leading to an economic crises and perhaps revolution.

 

[mahatir]

I am no fan of USA but with their Strong Nato Alliance and Non Nato partners the USA will remain the world major superpower for decades .

Through its Ally Turkey USA has the whole middle east and North Africa
Through Japan , Indonesia and Korea the USA has strong presence in Far-east
Europe Already owned by USA
South and Central America has always been America's back yard.
Australia is part of Nato and Ango-speaking country .

USA does not have influence in Central Asia only , but again this region is slowly moving into China's sphere of influence through economy .

Now what does Russia have in this world to influence ? Russia is only a regional power in Central Asia nothing more or less and have questionable influence over ukraine and belarus .

 

[Arzamas 16]

Half of Syria is out of Assad control , the Reason Nato is not taking action is to make Iran and Hizbullah waste their resources over a lost War , this more like the Vietnam of Iran and Hizbullah .

At the end if negotiations do not work some strikes over Assad coastal regions and he will give up , Just like what happened with Serbs your cousins in Kosovo and you were watching.

Supplying Assad with some cruise missiles wount change **** .

By the way routes to Europe and Turkey from Gulf is through Suez Canal and simply Syria will be an additional route over land in the Future.

As I told you Russia has no influence in middle east except over a falling Regime in Syria other than that you have nothing in this part of the World. Eastern Europe is now part of Nato Club, Central Asia is being taken over by China economically and you will end up Isolated in your large Ice land up near the north pole.

Wait till the USA shale production reaches its optimum 3 years from now and pipelines run from the middle east to Turkey , you will lose your major cash revenue from gas and oil leading to an economic crises and perhaps revolution.

You should be the one worrying about increased US production not us, besides oil and gas we also have a Defense industry, aviation, auto, space, nuclear, chemical and many more, while all Arabs have is oil.


and well see who wins in Syria

 

[mahatir]

You should be the one worrying about increased US production not us, besides oil and gas we also have a Defense industry, aviation, auto, space, nuclear, chemical and many more, while all Arabs have is oil.


and well see who wins in Syria

The Gulf has wealth funds that invests trillions around the world , Just like Abu Dhabi investment fund which runs 500 billion dollars around the world, what the gulf earns only from these investment funds is enough to keep them enjoying their current standard of living for decades .

The Issue here is your country with 140 million people, how will it function without gas and oil revenue and this is your only main source of foreign income .

As for aviation etc , no one buys your weapons except African countries and these Days China is taking over this market from you .

You will only end up like Iran in the end Isolated from the Rest of the world within your own borders , if it was not for gas Europe would have never allowed your country into the World Trade organization .

Simply there are no superpowers in this World Except USA and China .

I would fear USA , they can play a role in any part of the world but Russia cant do anything except in Central Asia which is far from our region anyhow

Syria is over , forget about it .

 

[atatwolf]

China is not a superpower. 90% of their population lives in poverty and the only reason they have descent economy is because of export. When western demand diminishes, their economy will collapse, besides in the future their average population age will be 40, so they can't provide cheap labor anymore in the future. I don't see China becoming major power but I do see Russia still as major regional power next coming decades. Russia knows to whom to be friendly, is not aggressive, doesn't block interest, as long as they don't forget that, they will do fine. Even today Russia and Turkey having 1 billion worth of trade. Why should both parties stop doing business?

 

[AUz]

The Gulf has wealth funds that invests trillions around the world , Just like Abu Dhabi investment fund which runs 500 billion dollars around the world, what the gulf earns only from these investment funds is enough to keep them enjoying their current standard of living for decades .

They invest in what? Do they re-invest oil revenues in their own country's industrialization, human capital, development of science and technology etc? No! they don't. Even Israel with 7 million people out performs ALL Arabs COMBINED. What a Shame.

Also, the profit from these so-called investment funds, if any, only goes into the pockets of some Arab families..which are owned puppets of U.S.A/West. So, West gets resources from Arabs..pay them money..and then these servant Arabs invest this money back in West..and hence West gets its money back..so in reality, West is just getting the oil free.

Also, West gets the money back due to highly over-priced defense contracts with Arabs...while maintaining Israeli QME (Qualitative military edge)...

All in all, general Arab public is the biggest loser in all this

With the amount of wealth, Arabs could've been great powers of world like Japan/China...but look at them where they are.

Russians are atleast better than this...

 

[mahatir]

You should be the one worrying about increased US production not us, besides oil and gas we also have a Defense industry, aviation, auto, space, nuclear, chemical and many more, while all Arabs have is oil.


and well see who wins in Syria

As for the oil part , the Gulf Today has a developed petrochemical industry producing various kinds of chemicals required for various manufacturing sectors , its not just about oil but also what you process it into .

Gulf has pretty good standard of living and recently population growth is slowed down , in peak the whole gulf population will not cross 70 million and the diversification process that most gulf countries started back in 1998 until that time will be enough to continue their welfare states.

If you combine the Turkish and Gulf Economies together they end up being larger than Russia and with a smaller population . The other thing our main threat comes from an impotent country like Iran which is already contained through alliance with Turkey and informal alliance with Israel .

Increased oil production from USA and pipelines from the Gulf will end Russian Domination over gas market in Europe , this is the only card you play on them , the gas one .

In the future our oil revenues will go down no dought , but we do not have a large population of " 140 million people " to support or the need to maintain a large Army like Russia to balance the USA .

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

That's actually a misinformation,russia is slated to become the next great energy producer.As more and more of the new siberian gas and oil fields are coming online.
I searched for russia's part in this conflict and got this.

PressTV - Russian warships gathering off Syria waters to deter West: Report
They have deployed warships with marines onboard close to the shore.
Apparently the reason russia is so determined to support assad is tartus naval base,russia's only naval base in the mediterranean.If it loses it it will lose last foothold in mediterranean.Thats why admiral is threatening to use marines in syria.