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A truly independent nation wouldn't let its citizens get slaughtered an not do anything about it.

I had asked the same question to a Persian but he didnt respond for some reason.:)

Who killed Iranian nuclear physicians?And what did Iran do about it?

Btw Turkey is not an oil-rich country like Iran.Like it or not we have 80million people and we achieved to create a prosperous nation without natural resources.

And we are pretty free.:)
 
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@PGK

as I said go ahead and move a move. we're waiting.
Those Iranian cheap soldier make the kurds surrender whist you're getting raped by them.
hahaha

Iranians KIA by Pjak.


Since the very beginning of the insurgency for more then 30 years long, we have never ever seen dead bodies of our soldiers under their possesion like this one.. This is a severe humiliation for your country, also the fact that the best of their guerilla's forces aren't even on the Iranian side, they're being used against Turkey under the control of the PKK, Pjak are a bunch of amateurs compared to the PKK of Turkey, still they whooped your a@#..

And here they seized your soldiers weapons..

 
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I had asked the same question to a Persian but he didnt respond for some reason.:)

Who killed Iranian nuclear physicians?And what did Iran do about it?
As far as i know, no one here claimed Iran to be a role model for Pakistan.

Btw Turkey is not an oil-rich country like Iran.Like it or not we have 80million people and we achieved to create a prosperous nation without natural resources.

And we are pretty free.:)
I don't know what your definition of "free" is but Turkey is not independent and deffinitly not free.
 
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Let me ask you this, if today Turkey quits NATO, forces US to pack its bags and withdraw its bases from Turkish soil, would Turkey last as a so called economically developing nation???

I have forgotten to respond this.

Would there be Iran(let alone being a developing nation) when Russia decides to spend Iran like a penny?

Is Russia an Islamic country?Didnt it kill muslims in the past?Arent they killing Chechens currently?Are Chechens not muslim?Does a muslim killed by Russia go a different place than a muslim killed by the USA?

These are the questions came to my mind.:)
 
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When have the Muslims slaughtered Palestinians? Are you confusing the Zionists with us?

On September 15, King Hussein declared martial law. The next day, Jordanian tanks (the 60th Armored Brigade of the Jordanian Army) attacked the headquarters of Palestinian organizations in Amman; the army also attacked camps in Irbid, Salt, Sweileh, Baq'aa, Wehdat and Zarqa. Then the head of Pakistani training mission to Jordan, Brigadier Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq (later Chief of Army Staff and President of Pakistan), took command of the 2nd division.

However, the Jordanians could not devote all their attention to the Palestinians. The 3rd Armoured Division of the Iraqi Army had remained in Jordan after the 1967 war. The Iraqi regime sympathised with the Palestinians, and it was unclear whether the division would intervene on the part of the Palestinians. Thus the 99th Brigade of the Jordanian 3rd Armoured Division had to be retained to watch the Iraqi division.Arafat later claimed that the Jordanian army killed between 10,000 and 25,000 Palestinians, although more conservative estimates put the number between 1000 and 2000
 
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Let me ask you this, if today Turkey quits NATO, forces US to pack its bags and withdraw its bases from Turkish soil, would Turkey last as a so called economically developing nation???

I doubt it, this AKP is just a farce, they're making so much noise over Syria yet took no action against israel after the flotilla incident. A truly independent nation wouldn't let its citizens get slaughtered an not do anything about it.

Imagine if Israel's citizens had been murdered in cold blood the way those Turks were murdered on that flotilla, the MOSSAD would've assassinated all of those responsible.


When Zia-Ul-Haq, under the command of Jordanians, slaughtered some thousands of Palestinians.

Turkey cut all diplomatic and military ties with Israel..What should She do more? Declare a war for this? Please tell me what does Pakistan do when USA kills Her people and soldiers by air attacks? Or what did Iran do when Her people ( i guess the number is 72) murdered in Mekka by Saudi? or well hundreds of examples like that..So you are not making any sense here at all..

About assasination..Thats the difference between a rogue state and a democratic state..Civilized states do not use assasinations as a tool for solving problems..But you can continue taking Israel as an example for yourself
 
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Here is what i posted in another thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...get-self-reliance-defence-19.html#post2713862


Iran is a role model for Pakistan, but role model in what way?


1). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has a high literacy in both men and women.

2). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has become self sufficient in most important fields like defence, space program, auto industry, education system and science R&D.

3). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that Women are treated with respect in Iran, more so than they are in Pakistan or Arab countries.

4). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has stood strong like a stone wall despite all of the sanctions imposed on it, not budging from its stance to self determination and preservation of its dignity and its people.

But then again, these above mentioned should be the principles and foundations of every society and country.


Of course, i'm not saying Pakistan should put itself in a position which Iran is in today because there are certain factors which have benefited their country immensely and has enabled them to withstand economic sanctions, like their industrial sector which they developed in a rapid pace and much earlier than Pakistan and their oil production which has also played an important role.

I believe that Pakistan should follow the National Socialist model, both politically and economically.

Under National Socialism interest and Usury are abolished, the Government's top most priority is the benefit of the Nation and its people and the preservation of its heritage and culture. National Socialism must not be confused with Marxian/Communist Socialism, because unlike Marxian/Communist Socialism, National Socialism respects the individuality and property of its citizens, true Socialism values the individual and in fact encourages the individual in efficiency, which National Socialism exactly does.

Under National Socialism, it is mandatory for both male and female to have education, however the role of male and female is different in society, for example, unlike the western countries of today, the woman cannot have the same positions as a man, woman are not allowed in armed forces therefore they can't take the place of a male worker in positions where only the male is well suited to do the job and vice versa.

Under National Socialism, there are no classes in society, everyone must work together, the poor and the rich side by side working for the common good of their nation and its future.
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And this:



What Pakistan can do to increase its economy and well being:

Well, for starters, it can:

1). Get rid of corruption because corruption bleeds Pakistan of a good portion of its wealth.

2). Improve law and order situation so that it would become safe to do business as well as expand businesses and attract foreign investment.

3). Eradicate poverty through launching large scale public project schemes that would benefit the common man.

4). Create jobs for the common man by having the Government encourage the wealthy Pakistanis to expand their businesses and create more businesses/jobs in the process.

5). Encourage businessmen from friendly and allied countries to invest in Pakistan and open businesses here.

6). Government would provide all the necessary tools and resources to individuals who are planning on opening a business or plan on farming.

7). Having the government and local private sectors invest in education in order to increase the output of skilled and educated work force by creating more schools, colleges, and universities, upgrading current ones, and providing state of the art facilities in these universities.

8). Create Youth programs to keep the youth physically active and conscious of their environment, nature, and the well being of their country/countrymen, so that this way they will also be kept away from drugs, guns, and gangs.


These are just a few ways to improve our economy, and most importantly with a nationalist leadership that only looks after Pakistan's national interest only then can we achieve the above. The major obstacle in our path is the so called "democracy", it is a failed concept and only allows the corrupt to take power in Pakistan.

Why is it that only democratic institutions get easily infiltrated by corrupt people?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...ase-its-economy-well-being-2.html#post2763876
 
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^ Hey this thread isn't about Pakistan. And I wouldn't take Iran as my role model, sorry
 
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He is indeed a fanboy of Iran but what he offers is in fact corporatism.

You are completely clueless and your post reeks of ignorance, so i will put you on my ignore list since you resorted to personal attacks against me. Not to mention i reported you.:enjoy:
 
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He is indeed a fanboy of Iran but what he offers is in fact corporatism.

Its interesting to see Iran fanboys lurking in Turkey sub-forums and trying to bash Turkey in every possible way they find..DF is not the first and not the last one
 
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Here is what i posted in another thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...get-self-reliance-defence-19.html#post2713862


Iran is a role model for Pakistan, but role model in what way?


1). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has a high literacy in both men and women.

2). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has become self sufficient in most important fields like defence, space program, auto industry, education system and science R&D.

3). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that Women are treated with respect in Iran, more so than they are in Pakistan or Arab countries.

4). It is a role model for Pakistan for the fact that it has stood strong like a stone wall despite all of the sanctions imposed on it, not budging from its stance to self determination and preservation of its dignity and its people.

But then again, these above mentioned should be the principles and foundations of every society and country.


Of course, i'm not saying Pakistan should put itself in a position which Iran is in today because there are certain factors which have benefited their country immensely and has enabled them to withstand economic sanctions, like their industrial sector which they developed in a rapid pace and much earlier than Pakistan and their oil production which has also played an important role.

I believe that Pakistan should follow the National Socialist model, both politically and economically.

Under National Socialism interest and Usury are abolished, the Government's top most priority is the benefit of the Nation and its people and the preservation of its heritage and culture. National Socialism must not be confused with Marxian/Communist Socialism, because unlike Marxian/Communist Socialism, National Socialism respects the individuality and property of its citizens, true Socialism values the individual and in fact encourages the individual in efficiency, which National Socialism exactly does.

Under National Socialism, it is mandatory for both male and female to have education, however the role of male and female is different in society, for example, unlike the western countries of today, the woman cannot have the same positions as a man, woman are not allowed in armed forces therefore they can't take the place of a male worker in positions where only the male is well suited to do the job and vice versa.

Under National Socialism, there are no classes in society, everyone must work together, the poor and the rich side by side working for the common good of their nation and its future.
_________________________________________________________________________________

And this:



What Pakistan can do to increase its economy and well being:

Well, for starters, it can:

1). Get rid of corruption because corruption bleeds Pakistan of a good portion of its wealth.

2). Improve law and order situation so that it would become safe to do business as well as expand businesses and attract foreign investment.

3). Eradicate poverty through launching large scale public project schemes that would benefit the common man.

4). Create jobs for the common man by having the Government encourage the wealthy Pakistanis to expand their businesses and create more businesses/jobs in the process.

5). Encourage businessmen from friendly and allied countries to invest in Pakistan and open businesses here.

6). Government would provide all the necessary tools and resources to individuals who are planning on opening a business or plan on farming.

7). Having the government and local private sectors invest in education in order to increase the output of skilled and educated work force by creating more schools, colleges, and universities, upgrading current ones, and providing state of the art facilities in these universities.

8). Create Youth programs to keep the youth physically active and conscious of their environment, nature, and the well being of their country/countrymen, so that this way they will also be kept away from drugs, guns, and gangs.


These are just a few ways to improve our economy, and most importantly with a nationalist leadership that only looks after Pakistan's national interest only then can we achieve the above. The major obstacle in our path is the so called "democracy", it is a failed concept and only allows the corrupt to take power in Pakistan.

Why is it that only democratic institutions get easily infiltrated by corrupt people?

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...ase-its-economy-well-being-2.html#post2763876

You mean we should have a big bearded unelected mullah having dictatorial powers sitting on top of Pakistan?

Let me tell you what Iran has achieved from its self imposed isolation and hatred towards the rest of the world --NOTHING---!

Iran has moved from being an American stooge to a Russian stooge , they paint weapons made in other countries and try to fool the world with 3rd grade Vietnam war era technology.

Iran is NO WAY an example for Pakistan , Iran is a theocratic autocracy which Pakistan can't sustain. Specially the propaganda they feed to their people through Press Tv , funding lunatic regimes like Asad.
 
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tourism? hahah how old are you , you past us in science?? north koreon missile science? what science ? just we exported like 1 billion dollars of defence things in 2010 that is still way low , tehran is a 3rd world city , man you got raped in your own country , your professors what you on , also about isreal , dont worry they will pay for that one day , they regret the loss of life but there will be time wen our actions will do much more harm then death , they are surrounded by enemies they broke our friendship but thats something else, ARE YOU WHIPPING YOURSELF IN YOUR ROOM HAHAAHAHHA i saw in iran tv they were whiping themselves

LMAO...:rofl:
 
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Turkey is definitely the model for Muslim countries in the ME/Africa. Malaysia/Indonesia are models in the East.

While the Iranians and Arabs fight like immature schoolkids, Turkey is providing stability. Egypt can probably be the next force for stability -- they seem to be more mature than the oil-spoiled Arab sheiks. Then Iran, once the radicals cool off a little bit, and maybe KSA. The UAE/Kuwait/etc. seem beyond redemption for the foreseeable future.
Immature!
I don't think a reasonable person would deny KSA great influence nowadays, due to its position as a leader of Muslim world as its the sponsor of the two holy mosques as well as considering its largest oil reserves in the world along with its great wealth. If members here wouldn't admit this fact world governments are already dealing with it. I don't think there is any Arab or Islamic nation has the political weight as KSA in international arenas. I remember King Abdullah first visit to China where he told Chinese president about the rising power of China as its a country of 1.3 billion population, Chinese president response was that KSA is a country of 1.4 billion Muslim stating it as a powerful and influential country. The countries of the world are competing each other to have better relationship with KSA. Russia has been desperately trying to win KSA leadership heart after Soviet era and when it was on the verge of returning full cooperation, everything got missed up the moment Russia blocked UN resolution with veto regarding Syria. Russian president Medvediave phoned king Abdullah afterword trying to justify Russian attitude in hope to rescue the relationship with KSA but he got a harsh response from king Abdullah. After few days KSA refused to welcome Russian delegation who were going to justify Russian VETO but KSA turned the cold shoulder to Russia as well. This shows to all of us KSA prominent position in the world.
 
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You mean we should have a big bearded unelected mullah having dictatorial powers sitting on top of Pakistan?
Not at all. Considering you are a "Opinionator" with 9,989 posts, i expected that you would have read my post, but it seems you didn't and instead went off on a tangent, now unless you can point to me where exactly i have stated in my post that "we should have a big bearded unelected mullah having dictatorial powers sitting on top of Pakistan", you are nothing but a ignorant liar putting words in my mouth without any evidence.

Let me tell you what Iran has achieved from its self imposed isolation and hatred towards the rest of the world --NOTHING---!

Iran has moved from being an American stooge to a Russian stooge , they paint weapons made in other countries and try to fool the world with 3rd grade Vietnam war era technology.

Iran is NO WAY an example for Pakistan , Iran is a theocratic autocracy which Pakistan can't sustain. Specially the propaganda they feed to their people through Press Tv , funding lunatic regimes like Asad.

Rest of your post is just rubbish and has nothing to prove about what i stated in my post.
 
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