Turkey Contained ?

[ovarel]

I want Turkey to support the opposition in Syria by all means but engaging a war is not one of them. I believe that "hikmet-i hükumet"(raison d'Etat) is not that stupid. The government using a stark language in order to relieve the pressure on them. I dont think they will resort to policies that may ruin our economy.

 

[Cem_]

First of all, weither Assad stays or leaves it's just a loose loose situation for Turkey, stable Syria was in our best interests, we were just starting to build up the trade with them, when shortly after it was all ruined.. but it's even more than that, don't believing the propaganda in fact we are loosing big time on all fronts (Cyprus with the gas and oil they're literally stealing the gas and oil from under our noses nobody cares, they owned us bigtime overthere, i know for a fact in the old days they would't dare to do this! not to mention Turkish-Cyprus, KRG of Iraq, Iran, Armenia, Azerbaijan, PKK, EU, NATO etc, etc).. I wont even start with the economy especially the strategic assets that have been sold to other countries. The growth rates are fake, we have more than 700BLN USD debts.

 

[ovarel]

First of all, weither Assad stays or leaves it's just a loose loose situation for Turkey, stable Syria was in our best interests, we were just starting to build up the trade with them, when shortly after it was all ruined.. but it's even more than that, don't believing the propaganda in fact we are loosing big time on all fronts (Cyprus with the gas and oil they're literally stealing the gas and oil from under our noses nobody cares, they owned us bigtime overthere, i know for a fact in the old days they would't dare to do this! not to mention Turkish-Cyprus, KRG of Iraq, Iran, Armenia, Azerbaijan, PKK, EU, NATO etc, etc).. I wont even start with the economy especially the strategic assets that have been sold to other countries. The growth rates are fake, we have more than 700BLN USD debts.

Well,since Syria is not stable at the moment.

Can you prove us that there are really huge gas fields near Cyprus?Because its probably a balloon.

And what makes you think that the growth rates are fake?

 

[Cem_]

@ Bharthi

It starts

Report: Syrian troops fire at Turkish camp - UPI.com

Turkey says to take necessary measures if Syria fires across border again

Turkey has said it warned Syrian charge d’affaires in Ankara in a “precise and strong” language that Turkey will take necessary measures if Syrian forces fire across the Turkish border again.


Turkey says to take necessary measures if Syria fires across border again

 

[Rang De]

Pakistan was not meant to be the homeland for all the Muslims of British India, even Bengal initially was not supposed to be a part of Pakistan. There was only one idea behind its creation, that the Muslims who form a majority in the north western provinces of British India should join together and form a new country where they will be the master of their own fate.

Lolwut? It was Two Nation theory on which Pakistan was created. It called for a separate homeland for Indian Muslims as it considered Hindus and Muslims to be two distinct nation in themselves.

Hope you know Pakistan's founding father was Jinnah not Choudhary Rahmet Ali.

At last you have accepted the truth but with a little twist - anyway I am not surprised as you have your own agenda. Pakistan has its own age-old cultures and in that respect we hardly need to import anything from Bharat. Pakistan is home of the oldest human settlements and ancient civilizations. Pakistan is not a homogenous country, it has dozens of cultures that sometimes have hardly any resemblance to each other. All these beautiful cultures form the core of Pakistani culture. Punjabi culture, Pashtun culture, Sindhi culture, Baloch culture, Seraiki or Kashmiri cultures are Pakistani culture.

Those which today's pakistanis don't even recognize?

You say:


You can reach to any conclusion to satisfy your ego but I didn't say it anywhere. You still didn't seem to get my point. Half of Pakistan was anyway a part of Afghanistan that was captured by teh British and later annexed to their colony, British India. You should better ponder about you own fate, what would be your status if the British had not come given you a new identity? Would there be any India if the British had not come and unified this vast area into one entity. Any person with mere a little common sense would say, NO.

Like I earlier said, without support of former Indian Muslims, todays Pakistan would have been ruled by Afghans or Indians.

Secondly, you don't seem to get this, India was united under several empires before British came and idea of it being one single political entity was proposed by many from Bharata to Chanakya. It had to happen sooner or later.

Spare me with the links of wikipaedia which has been ruined by the RSS gangsters. It seems that editing wiki has become a national hobby in Bharat. Talk about facts, these myths are only created to satisfy the ego of the people like you and your ilk.

Lol. You don't have an idea what to say. Not everyone is fed distorted version of history like pakistanis are.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Hope you know Pakistan's founding father was Jinnah not Choudhary Rahmet Ali

And I hope you know Pakistan was created thanks to the efforts of several people, including Jinnah (the founder), Choudhury Rehmat Ali (the name-giver) and Muhammad Iqbal (the guy whos' brainchild is Pakistan).
And I also hope you don't try to lecture us on our own history

Besides, India would not have been created if it weren't for the British, and I do admit, so wouldn't Pakistan have been.
Indians (Hindus) have almost always been "divided", little kingdoms have always prevailed over larger "empires" such as the Maurya in Hindu history.
And in contemporary history, it was first the Mughals, and then the British which united you

 

[Porus]

Lolwut? It was Two Nation theory on which Pakistan was created. It called for a separate homeland for Indian Muslims as it considered Hindus and Muslims to be two distinct nation in themselves.

Hope you know Pakistan's founding father was Jinnah not Choudhary Rahmet Ali.

The Muslim League only used Islam as a tool to get the support of the masses, Jinnah himslef was against the two nation theory and this is why he opposed the parition of Punjab and Bengal because in his opinion they were Bengali and Punjabi before they were Muslims or HIndus. You are right that he was the true founder of Pakistan, this is the first fact you seem to be aware of

Those which today's pakistanis don't even recognize?

We do. Don't believe in propaganda spread by the chaddi clad RSS goons.

Like I earlier said, without support of former Indian Muslims, todays Pakistan would have been ruled by Afghans or Indians.

Secondly, you don't seem to get this, India was united under several empires before British came and idea of it being one single political entity was proposed by many from Bharata to Chanakya. It had to happen sooner or later.

Nobody is undermining the role of the Mulsims of UP played in the creation of Pakistan, but one also should not exaggerate their importance, and nobody should ignore the fact that at last Pakistan had to be created on the lands of Pshtuns, Balochs, Sindhis and PUnjabis and without our wish, consent and active participation this country could have never come into being. No matter how strong the desire of those was who were living hundreds of miles away. Forget Pakistan, think what would be your identity if the British had not come and created Bharat?

 

[Cem_]

I support the union. It is actually called "Turkish Islamic Union", a concept developed by reknowned Islamic scholar Harun Yahya.

However, such an union is not possible till Turkey stays in NATO. Turkey is already in a union with the west atm and it is unlikely that eastern powers such as Russia/China will support such an union if Turkey is hostile to them.

This cOnsept is hundred years OLd it is not devolloped by him, THE Guy is à fake!! Just doing blablabla like u nothing else

 

[Alienoz_TR]

This cOnsept is hundred years OLd it is not devolloped by him, THE Guy is à fake!! Just doing blablabla like u nothing else

Actually harun yahya, Adnan hoca, or whatever jewish name he has, is a Dönmeh. Jew convert.

 

[Rang De]

And I hope you know Pakistan was created thanks to the efforts of several people, including Jinnah (the founder), Choudhury Rehmat Ali (the name-giver) and Muhammad Iqbal (the guy whos' brainchild is Pakistan).

First try to read the post to which I was replying.

@DRaisinHerald- Do you agree with the bolded parts below?

The Muslim League only used Islam as a tool to get the support of the masses, Jinnah himslef was against the two nation theory and this is why he opposed the parition of Punjab and Bengal because in his opinion they were Bengali and Punjabi before they were Muslims or HIndus. You are right that he was the true founder of Pakistan, this is the first fact you seem to be aware of

Porus

Nobody is undermining the role of the Mulsims of UP played in the creation of Pakistan, but one also should not exaggerate their importance, and nobody should ignore the fact that at last Pakistan had to be created on the lands of Pshtuns, Balochs, Sindhis and PUnjabis and without our wish, consent and active participation this country could have never come into being. No matter how strong the desire of those was who were living hundreds of miles away. Forget Pakistan,think what would be your identity if the British had not come and created Bharat?

Wow. British created India and Pakistanis created Pakistan, Overdose of local madrasa taleem eh?

Read your own post once again, and don't come up with another immature reply or this debate will end here.

 

[King Solomon]

This cOnsept is hundred years OLd it is not devolloped by him, THE Guy is à fake!! Just doing blablabla like u nothing else

Actually harun yahya, Adnan hoca, or whatever jewish name he has, is a Dönmeh. Jew convert.

How could you say that? Please explain your reasoning. He is the only Islamic scholar that I currently follow, and have been following for the last 5 years.

And all of us are Jew, Hindu, Christian, pagan converts from 1400 years ago.

 

[Targon]

Are you seriously following Adnan Oktar ? even islamists makes fun of him, he's a joke.

Adnan Oktar -50 Cent- Candy Shop - YouTube

 

[King Solomon]

Are you seriously following Adnan Oktar ? even islamists makes fun of him, he's a joke.

I'm surprised to hear this from Turkish members. Why are you just bringing one video to defame him? Did you go through the hundreds of books and documentaries that he produced?

 

[Porus]

Wow. British created India and Pakistanis created Pakistan, Overdose of local madrasa taleem eh?

Read your own post once again, and don't come up with another immature reply or this debate will end here.

I need to dumb down every single post so that you can understand it but there is a limit of my patience. Don't twist my words and read carefully what you have quoted in bold fonts and read it slowly and carefully so that you can understand what I have written in the simplest possible English, it will take some time but don't give up.

Overdose of local madrasa taleem eh?

The standard of taleem in any madarsah is far superior than the palan-poshan (lol) the chaddi clads receive in the laps of naked Hindu sadhus.

 

[Targon]

I'm surprised to hear this from Turkish members. Why are you just bringing one video to defame him? Did you go through the hundreds of books and documentaries that he produced?

Actually its pretty normal to hear this from Turkish members, that guy is clearly a joke, did you ever watched his tv show ? he puts some hot chicks in front of himself, giving them compliments, telling them to repeat that they love Harun Yahya. playing stupid songs, dancing, he's trying to get attention by popular issues such as evolution, masons etc.