Turkey and Hungary should be suspended from NATO

[Hack-Hook]

Turkish Defense Industry ( 750+ projects ) is far better than Sweden

Turkiye has ASELSAN , ROKETSAN , TAI , TEI , HAVELSAN , TUBITAK-SAGE , STM and many more

Sweden only can dream about it ..

Turkish Armed Forces far stronger than even Sweden+Norway+Finland+Baltic Countries combinned

I knew you already said that , but they are project , Swedish one are product on the market. and let be honest your f-16 cant stand against Sweden grippen , your artillery will have problem against Finland artillery . and Baltic countries , come on they and some central European countries are the burden in NATO I was talked about not Turkey

GDP is nothing to do with population

well it has many thing to do with population that's why they use GDP per Capita to remove papulation effect for sweden that is 60,000 Dollar for turkey its 9,000 dollar and here we are not discussing Iran or Egypt they are not part of NATO so I don't think anybody can suggest removing us from NATO.

by the way you complain about turkey being under economical attack ,and then compare yourself tu us , wonder if your situation was as us how your economy would have fared

 

[MMM-E]

some say the branch backed by turkey is Al-Nusra front, very interesting bunch of people that have more interesting Allies

AL-Nusra = USA, S.Arabia, The UAE

Turkiye saved 3,6 million + 3 million Syrians and spent $50+ billion for Syrian refugees

on the other hand , Russia backed criminal İran,SAA,Hezbolah killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilans to protect dictatorial ASSAD regime since 1975

FSA beat İran,SAA,Hezbolah combined
but in 2015 ROUHANI asked helping from PUTIN to save İran,SAA,Hezbolah from FSA

 

[Hack-Hook]

AL-Nusra = USA, S.Arabia, The UAE

Turkiye saved 3,6 million + 3 million Syrians and spent $50+ billion for Syrian refugees

on the other hand , Russia backed criminal İran,SAA,Hezbolah killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilans to protect dictatorial ASSAD regime since 1975

FSA beat İran,SAA,Hezbolah combined
but in 2015 ROUHANI asked helping from PUTIN to save İran,SAA,Hezbolah from FSA

we don't have anymore soldier in syria only trainers and volunteer and in Idlib you directly engaged SAA who was fighting Al-Nusra

and Rouhani asked Putin because after Al-Qussair in Iran there was a backlash against sending Iranian soldier there and even supereme leader come on TV and asked people not to go there for war. we saw that syria need air force to beat back terrorist and at the time our drones could not bomb enemy .

 

[Nefarious]

well incidentally Sweden can offer more than 90% of NATO members from both Industrial and military stand point

Regardless of others it's still a liability. I don't really care I suppose...we will fight the Russians until the last Ukrainian and then the last Swede and so on

 

[Hack-Hook]

Regardless of others it's still a liability. I don't really care I suppose...we will fight the Russians until the last Ukrainian and then the last Swede and so on

well there are pole and some Baltic countries and don't forget Romanians , some Greeks are also too much interested in volunteering . I guess you must wait before its swede time.

joke a side Finland is a burden but Sweden no, they actually have things to offer and strengthen the club

 

[That Guy]

You know that FSA and terrorist gangs were using Turkey as safe haven,right?

That gives zero justification to invade another country's airspace.

Also, they weren't targeting FSA or terrorist gangs in Turkey, they were targeting refugee camps which were in Syrian territory along the border. If I recall correctly, none of the bombs landed in Turkey, yet Russia constantly invaded Turkish airspace, ignoring multiple Turkish warnings.

Even if what you said is true, Greece should have backed Turkey as they are both NATO, and a military air incursion by the Russians into NATO territory is unjustifiable.

You know better than to try and justify such actions using these lame excuses.

You're smarter than that.

 

[Foinikas]

Turkish Defense Industry ( 750+ projects ) is far better than Sweden

750 bullocks meanwhile Sweden has had a long history of selling REAL equipment that have proven their worth.

We're talking about quality equipment,most of them tested in battle and very popular worldwide.

You did what? Sell TB2s and MRAPs and a few corvettes. They have been around the market for decades.

well there are pole and some Baltic countries and don't forget Romanians , some Greeks are also too much interested in volunteering . I guess you must wait before its swede time.

joke a side Finland is a burden but Sweden no, they actually have things to offer and strengthen the club

Finns are pretty smart and have a very strong economy. Also,they are traditionally exceptional fighters. But personally,I think both Finland and Ukraine should have been buffer States to prevent any wars.

 

[Abid123]

Turkish Armed Forces far stronger than even Sweden+Norway+Finland+Baltic Countries combined

That's a big claim. Bother explaining?

 

[Foinikas]

Even if what you said is true, Greece should have backed Turkey as they are both NATO, and a military air incursion by the Russians into NATO territory is unjustifiable.

Turks had been violating our air space for a looong time. We've had countless dogfights. Some of our pilots died in these dogfights because of crashes. There was no way we would protest someone violating Turkish air space

But no,the Russians had reasons to bomb where they bombed. Because they usually had intel of the terrorist groups crossing the borders to Turkey,maybe even hiding in camps considered "refugee camps". The Turks were also equipping the terrorist gangs who were fighting both the SAA and Russian forces. Remember the incidents of the Su-24 and helicopters.

you know better than to try and justify such actions using these lame excuses.

You're smarter than that.

Justify what,the Russians getting in Turkish airspace near the borders? Or...their bombing?

 

[MMM-E]

You did what? Sell TB2s and MRAPs and a few corvettes. They have been around the market for decades.

Another troll

Turkiye exported weapons/military systems to 170 countries
Corvette
Frigate
OPV
Super Tanker
UCAVs
Attack Helicopter
Medium and high altitude Air Defense Systems
Radars and Electronic Warfare Systems
Targeting Pod
Cruise Missile
Ballistic Missile
Anti-Ship Missile
Guided MLRS
Satellite
and many more


even I am not talking about Export ,, I am talking about Defense industry

and Sweden is nothing to compare with Turkiye ... not even close

 

[MMM-E]

Turks had been violating our air space for a looong time. We've had countless dogfights. Some of our pilots died in these dogfights because of crashes. There was no way we would protest someone violating Turkish air space

Its international Airspace liar Greeks

only daydreamer Greeks can use 10 nm airspace over Islands which have 6nm territorial water

Turkish F-16s flying in international air space ...

well it has many thing to do with population that's why they use GDP per Capita to remove papulation effect for sweden that is 60,000 Dollar for turkey its 9,000 dollar and here we are not discussing Iran or Egypt they are not part of NATO so I don't think anybody can suggest removing us from NATO.

GDP Per capita doesnt win the wars
military power and brave warrior population wins the wars

Qatar has $82.000 GDP per Capita while China has only $12.900
so what ? is Qatar stronger than China ?

Military power counts purchasing power parity
Turkiye has $3,3 trillion of PPP
Sweden has $684 billion of PPP

 

[Hack-Hook]

What a troll who compare weak-useless Sweden with NATO's 2nd biggest fire power

Sweden is lucky that far away from Turkiye
or even only 300+ Turkish UCAVs will be enough for weak Sweden

235 Turkish F-16s can rape Swedish Airforce which can not know even how to flight

and Sweden only can dream about it
TFX , KIZILELMA , TISU , HURJET , T-929 , T-625 , ADA , ISTIF , BORA , TAYFUN , TRLG-230 , TRG-300 , AKINCI , AKSUNGUR , HISAR , SIPER and many more



what a troll who compare weak useless Finland with NATO's 2nd biggest fire power

Finland is lucky that far away from Turkiye
or even only Turkish Army will be enough for weak Finland

40-70-120 km guided MLRS : TRLG-122 , TRLG-230 , TRG-300
even only Turkiye in NATO to hit even moving targets
American HIMARS can not hit moving targets

150-280-1.000 km Ballistic Missiles : YILDIRIM , BORA , TAYFUN

Turkiye has the 2nd biggest fire power in NATO after USA


280 km KARA-ATMACA ground based Cruise Missile ( only Turkiye and USA in NATO )

10-60-200-800 km Kamikaze Drones KARGU , ALPAGU , ALPAGUT , SIMSEK , KARGI

even I am not talking about upcoming missile/guided munition projects
CENK , GEZGIN , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , TOLUN-IIR , KGK-LR , AKBABA


Sweden and Finland are ants to compare with Turkiye

yeah yeah yeah the grey wolf rule , i must say in case of conflict Sweden is lucky that you guys think so

 

[nahtanbob]

What about NATO without Turkiye


1 -- That will be great to see Russian and Chinese Forces at Incirlik Airbase instead of USA/NATO Forces

China will be in the Eastern Mediterranean for revenge against USA Forces in Pasific against China

Russia-China-Turkiye easly can block Eastern Mediterranean against USA


2 -- Russia will be so happy to work with Turkiye who control Bosphorus which is only gateway to the Black Sea

Nobody from NATO can enter Black Sea without Turkiye's permission


3 -- NATO's integrated Air Defense will fall without Turkiye

Turkish KURECIK Base hosts AN-TPY2 Early warning Radar to protect Europe from Russian and Iranian Ballistic Missiles


4 -- NATO will lose influence in the Black Sea and Caucasus against Russia


5 -- NATO will lose geopolitical superiority over Iraq , Syria , Eastern Mediterranean


6 -- NATO will lose 2nd strongest Army and top 5 technological advanced Country

Europe is full of joke and Europeans can not fight for even their own countries

Turkiye has the 2nd active and battle proven Armed Forces in NATO after USA
Turkish Defense Industry is one of top 5 in NATO
Turkiye has 2nd big population in NATO after USA
and Turkiye is most important strategic country in NATO



7 -- USA will lose control over Turkiye
that means Turkiye will become totally independent to develop even nuclear weapons to protect itself

if no more NATO nuclear protection umbrella


8 -- Russia offers Turkiye turbofan Engine , Fighter Jet , Submarine , Space and Nuclear technologies

Russia and Turkiye together can develop latest technology weapons to sell to 1.8 billion Islamic World also to Africa,South Asia and South American Continent


Turkiye is more important than useless Greece,Sweden,Finland and others


Loser Neocons , Greek-Armenian lobies , PKK-FETO Terrorists can not do anything about Turkiye's NATO membership .. they can only crying nothing else

there is no mechanism to kick any member out of NATO

No one can force Turkiye to leave NATO ,if Turkiye doesn't want it.

Challenge the US Navy in the Mediterranean I like some of the stuff you are smoking

Russians won't give you a dime of technology

 

[Foinikas]

Another troll

Turkiye exported weapons/military systems to 170 countries
Corvette
Frigate
OPV
Super Tanker
UCAVs
Attack Helicopter
Medium and high altitude Air Defense Systems
Radars and Electronic Warfare Systems
Cruise Missile
Ballistic Missile
Anti-Ship Missile
Guided MLRS
Satellite
and many more


even I am not talking about Export ,, I am talking about Defense industry

and Sweden is nothing to compare with Turkiye ... not even close

ASE MAS RE MALAKA!

EVERY TIME THERE'S A COUNTRY MENTIONED,YOU JUMP LIKE A FART AND SAY:

"NOBODY CAN COMPARE WITH TURKEY...NOT EVEN CLOSE".

Take the missiles and stick them in your ears and dance around like a hippie.

Our balls are swollen so much from your endless spam of Turkish ultranationalist steroids,they look like oranges.


Every time someone talks about a country "NO NOT EVEN CLOSE TO TURKIYE TURKIYE HAS 750+ PROJECTS,TURKIYE SELLS TO 170 COUNTRIES,PATHETIC USA,PATHETIC RUSSIA,PATHETIC GERMANY,PATHETIC FRANCE,TINY GREECE,TINY ISRAEL, BACKWARDS IRAN,PATHETIC EGYPT,BACKWARDS CHINA,PATHETIC SWEDEN....NOT EVEN CLOSE TO TURKIYE ERDOGAN"

 

[MMM-E]

by the way you complain about turkey being under economical attack ,and then compare yourself tu us , wonder if your situation was as us how your economy would have fared

Turkiye lost $2 trillion to fight USA-Europe-Israel-İran backed PKK terrorism since 1985
and USA backed military coups 1960,1971,1980,1997,2016
also since 2013 asymmetric-economic war on Turkiye

Russia,China,France,Germany,Turkiye,India,etc ignore useless sanctions on Iran for decades

yeah yeah yeah the grey wolf rule , i must say in case of conflict Sweden is lucky that you guys think so

History also think so

in 1710 , Sweden asked help from the Turks ( Ottoman Empire ) against Russia
in 1711 Ottoman Empire beat Russia and saved Sweden from Russians


whole world knows Turkish military power which is in Cyprus,Iraq,Syria,Azerbaijan,Libya,Qatar,Somalia and in the Eastern Mediterranean

ask your IRGC , SAA and Hezbolah
what a joke Sweden with zero combat experience with 38.000 noob military personal

even Turkish Police special Forces enough for Sweden