Turkey Almost Went to War With Israel

[Falcon29]

As a Turkish "patriot" willing to put nationalism ahead of truth and justice. you're playing right into his hands. He's f-ked you good; you haven't done him any harm.

Anybody that doesn't share your world view is brainwashed.

I rely on facts in context and law; Erdogan does not. He does not acknowledge that the Israelis acted properly both in boarding the ship, that the Turks were in violation of international law by resisting the boarding, and that Israelis were justified when they used deadly force in self-defence.

You rely on facts in context and law? Is that why you declare Israeli settlements legal?

Even Israel acknowledges it didn't act properly in killing 9 civilians. For Palestinians they do a lot worse, when it comes to international citizens they only execute them with multiple bullets to the back and head. How sweet of Israel.

What, then, do you think of the commenters here who proclaim that Turkey should have engaged in open hostilities with Israel?

Every person who supports justice believes Israel should be held accountable for it's brutal occupation of Palestinian and reckless killing of Palestinian/International citizens.

 

[-SINAN-]

I'm confused, would you really want a military response to what happened? Had he done that, I'm sure he'd be condemned from the same people who condemn him for taking no action. So it's a lose-lose situation for him.

You are damn right.

The ship shouldn't be allowed to sail at the first place. The IHH guys who were saying "We will be martyred" and stuff like that. It was obvious that something was bound to happen. Erdogan should have prevented that at the first place.

So if war had happened, lots of people would condemn him for dragging our country to a war that had nothing do with us.

But Israeli commandos killed our 9 citizens with automatic rifles and he didn't do a single thing.That is also not acceptable.

It's sure a lose-lose situation for him.

see Israel is one hot-headed nation, turkey wud hav met the same fate that was met by 6 arab countries when they attacked Israel,

Turkey is not an Arab country.

 

[Falcon29]

oh comeon guys, none of u guys are talking sense, for i see most of u guys commenting here belong to muslim countries. this cud hav happened, dat cud hav happened bla bla bla gibber gibber... , see Israel is one hot-headed nation, turkey wud hav met the same fate that was met by 6 arab countries when they attacked Israel, most probably, messing with Israeli is a very serious business.

I'm not sure why people are drawing up war scenarios, you're also of guilty of it as well. Turkey isn't 'messing' with Israel, Israel murdered civilians in international waters. Killing Turkish civilians execution-style is serious business. Responding to that would be what we call 'justice'. Just as the world retaliates to terrorist attacks, Muslims also have a right to defend their citizens and avenge their deaths.

You are damn right.

The ship should be allowed to sail at the first place. The IHH guys who were saying "We will be martyred" and stuff like that. It was obvious that something was bound to happen. Erdogan should have prevented that at the first place.

So if war had happened, lots of people would condemn him for dragging our country to a war that had nothing do with us.

But Israeli commandos killed our 9 citizens with automatic rifles and he didn't do a single thing.That is also not acceptable.

It's sure a lose-lose situation for him.

I believe we should allow international activists to make efforts to make this world a better place without oppression. The Turkish PM can't prevent activists from standing up for what they believe. Neither can the world prevent activists from embracing a cause, although with Israel there's a double standard. They want Israel to be get a free pass when it comes to it's crimes against humanity.

The activists were deeply hurt by the situation that arose in Palestine in 2009 where Israel killed over 1,400 Palestinians in three weeks while also committing many other acts of oppression against the Palestinian people. So they had a strong will to stand up against injustice.

The Turkish PM played it right in my opinion, he also has changed things without the need for a military response. More awareness was raised around the issue of the siege on Palestine. Israel was also the nation which approached Turkey seeking to fully resume relations and Turkey has made it clear there won't be a deal unless the central issue is solved. A military response couldn't work since the international world defends every single action by the state of Israel. Although in the future this must change.

 

[Kompromat]

Last thing Israel can afford is to piss off Turkey and unite Muslim states from Turkey to Arabs, Iran and Turkey's old ally Pakistan.

 

[Solomon2]

Anybody that doesn't share your world view is brainwashed.

Is that so?

Even Israel acknowledges it didn't act properly in killing 9 civilians.

Find quote, please.

Every person who supports justice believes Israel should be held accountable for it's brutal occupation -

And yet it's very very difficult to cite a specific "crime" committed by the IDF, isn't it? Almost every time there's a specific accusation it's checked out and discovered to be false. When it isn't the matter goes to the police or courts. That leaves the nebulous name-calling - and according to the posters here, Zionists automatically are denied the benefit of the doubt. So whatever injustice Israel is up to or has committed, it's really puny compared to what the Arabs have done to Jews in the past, and continue to do or attempt to do today.

 

[-SINAN-]

I'm not sure why people are drawing up war scenarios, you're also of guilty of it as well. Turkey isn't 'messing' with Israel, Israel murdered civilians in international waters. Killing Turkish civilians execution-style is serious business. Responding to that would be what we call 'justice'. Just as the world retaliates to terrorist attacks, Muslims also have a right to defend their citizens and avenge their deaths.



I believe we should allow international activists to make efforts to make this world a better place without oppression. The Turkish PM can't prevent activists from standing up for what they believe. Neither can the world prevent activists from embracing a cause, although with Israel there's a double standard. They want Israel to be get a free pass when it comes to it's crimes against humanity.

The activists were deeply hurt by the situation that arose in Palestine in 2009 where Israel killed over 1,400 Palestinians in three weeks while also committing many other acts of oppression against the Palestinian people. So they had a strong will to stand up against injustice.

I have no problem with peaceful activist, but IHH guys shouldn't have been allowed to go.

The Turkish PM played it right in my opinion, he also has changed things without the need for a military response. More awareness was raised around the issue of the siege on Palestine. Israel was also the nation which approached Turkey seeking to fully resume relations and Turkey has made it clear there won't be a deal unless the central issue is solved. A military response couldn't work since the international world defends every single action by the state of Israel. Although in the future this must change.

Yes and the cost is Turkish blood..... not acceptable.

 

[Solomon2]

So if war had happened, lots of people would condemn him for dragging our country to a war that had nothing do with us.
But Israeli commandos killed our 9 citizens with automatic rifles and he didn't do a single thing.That is also not acceptable.

That's the danger of blind patriotism; it sucks you in to committing and perpetrating injustice and sometimes - in this case, certainly - promoting needless war and conflict.

Last thing Israel can afford is to piss off Turkey and unite Muslim states from Turkey to Arabs, Iran and Turkey's old ally Pakistan.

That's probably the very reason why the Mavi Marmara incident was staged. From the beginning - the 1920s - Turkey supported the Jews in Palestine. Ben Gurion was trained as an Ottoman lawyer and was steadfast in his support of the Ottomans and their successors. The Ottoman Caliphs didn't want the entire middle east to be an Arab-only sea and Ataturk, as a nationalist, was also opposed to Arab imperialism. The Mavi Marmara incident has made Turks forget all that, yes?

 

[Hashshāshīn]

oh comeon guys, none of u guys are talking sense, for i see most of u guys commenting here belong to muslim countries. this cud hav happened, dat cud hav happened bla bla bla gibber gibber... , see Israel is one hot-headed nation, turkey wud hav met the same fate that was met by 6 arab countries when they attacked Israel, most probably, messing with Israeli is a very serious business.

If you think Israelis are hot headed you haven't met the Turks

 

[Falcon29]

Is that so?

You insist on it being that way.

Find quote, please.

BBC News - Israel admits Gaza flotilla raid 'mistakes'

And yet it's very very difficult to cite a specific "crime" committed by the IDF, isn't it?

Not at all, it's fairly easy to cite crimes committed by the IDF against the Palestinians and international activists.

Almost every time there's a specific accusation it's checked out and discovered to be false.

Really? Like what?

So whatever injustice Israel is up to or has committed, it's really puny compared to what the Arabs have done to Jews in the past

What Arabs are you speaking of? What did they do exactly? How does that justify Israeli injustice? It may not mean much to you, but it does to the victims.

and continue to do or attempt to do today.

Like? Most Arab nations are lead by installed monarchies which suppress the Arab citizens from sympathizing with the Palestinians.

 

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File:Gaza flotilla raid map.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[waz]

turkey wud hav met the same fate that was met by 6 arab countries when they attacked Israel, most probably, messing with Israeli is a very serious business.

One word for you Gallipoli.....Have a look at how many forces were against the Turks in that campaign.

No such fate would meet the Turks.

Anyhow, such a war would not happen.

 

[Falcon29]

I have no problem with peaceful activist, but IHH guys shouldn't have been allowed to go.

The activists had an objective which was related to an international cause against injustice. Activists won't be silent in the face of injustice worldwide, otherwise they'd have no impact.

Yes and the cost is Turkish blood..... not acceptable.

What's not acceptable? Of course it's a tragedy that Turkish citizens were killed, what do you suggest Turkey do? You would have done a lot worse if you were in his shoes.

 

[-SINAN-]

The activists had an objective which was related to an international cause against injustice. Activists won't be silent in the face of injustice worldwide, otherwise they'd have no impact.

Peaceful activists yes, Violent activist no. Nothing happened in the other ships. They were activists to what i'm saying is if you are gonna protests do it in a peacefull way. IHH activists lacked this.

What's not acceptable? Of course it's a tragedy that Turkish citizens were killed, what do you suggest Turkey do? You would have done a lot worse if you were in his shoes.

es we sympathize with you. Yes, we cry for the Palestinian childs whom shot by IDF soldiers. But Turkish lives should have not been lost for the Palestinian cause....that's what i'm trying to say.

 

[Solomon2]

BBC News - Israel admits Gaza flotilla raid 'mistakes'

"Mistakes" and "acting improperly" are two different things. For example, Israelis think it was a mistake to send the troops in carrying paintball guns instead of loaded rifles. Any other navy probably would have had guns at the ready when boarding a suspect vessel.

Not at all, it's fairly easy to cite crimes committed by the IDF against the Palestinians and international activists.

The general claims can't be traced, and it's pretty rare for a specific one to be verified and substantiated.

What Arabs are you speaking of? What did they do exactly? How does that justify Israeli injustice?

Yourself, for one: you don't apologize for spreading lies about the Jews or the IDF. As for "Israeli injustice" - it's much more difficult to find real stuff then the crimes Arabs commit against each other every day, isn't it?

It may not mean much to you, but it does to the victims.

That's because your priorities are screwed up: the oppressors in Palestinian Arabs' daily lives are the terrorist tyrants who deny them civil and human rights. But who can claim that, seeing that they could be labeled "collaborators" and slain without trial?

Most Arab nations are lead by installed monarchies which suppress the Arab citizens from sympathizing with the Palestinians.

When you don't speak out on a subject, you permit others to speak for you. Nor are the injustices committed by Arabs against Jews limited to speech: they go further, to rockets bombarding Israeli cities and attackers smashing, slashing, and stoning Jewish civilians to death (a decade ago, before the fence, there were bombs, too.)

 

[anonymus]

Israel is small country and turkey is very powerful and has support from all muslim countries. And USA is too busy in Afghanistan, so they will never help Israel, if Israel declares war with turkey.

It is pretty reassuring for us to know that our opponents are retards of first order.