Turkey accuses France of genocide in Algeria

[Hussein]

Juppé , the ex minister of Chirac, and now Minister of Foreign Affairs for Sarkozy,
said he didn't agree with this way of making a law . He says it is not appropriate.
The critics are on "why a politician should write in a laws History when History is the job of Historians"

Juppé is the "big brain" of the parti of Sarkozy. He is considered as the smartest one in UMP.

 

[silko]

juppe is probably the smartest one. and it was a woman of Algerian decent that proposed this bill to the parliament. se even denies that there was a genocide happening in Algeria by the french.

i will burst into laughter when that midget sarkozy looses the next election!

 

[asad71]

1.This should be an issue where all Muslims should unite. All Muslim nations should pass resolutions in their parliament declaring France as a war criminal nation causing genocide in Algeria. OIC should condemn France. Djibouti, Somali-land,Lebanon and Syria should institute inquiries into French activities in these nations. Turkey should lobby with other African nations and Vietnam to expose French genocide/atrocities.

2. Finally let all Muslims ban French goods and withdraw oil sales to her.

 

[T-Rex]

your behaviour is feminine though. hence cow. lol

We hear that indians like you are ashamed of buying smaller condoms though the regular size is too large for them, now, that doesn't sound like masculine behaviour.

 

[notsuperstitious]

The french do not have laws that stop a frenchman from stating they committed a genocide.

I don't see why they will have a problem Turks saying it, go ahead, Turks and their cheer leaders - shout in unison - genocide genocide. Feel better? Good.

 

[T-Rex]

The french do not have laws that stop a frenchman from stating they committed a genocide.

I don't see why they will have a problem Turks saying it, go ahead, Turks and their cheer leaders - shout in unison - genocide genocide. Feel better? Good.

But now they have a law that stops others from saying that they did not commit any genocide! Now, if that makes the French feel better, I wouldn't blame the Turks for saying that the French committed genocide in Algeria.

 

[Gautam]

We hear that indians like you are ashamed of buying smaller condoms though the regular size is too large for them, now, that doesn't sound like masculine behaviour.

you gave us a chance again to report you

 

[Tshering22]

1.This should be an issue where all Muslims should unite. All Muslim nations should pass resolutions in their parliament declaring France as a war criminal nation causing genocide in Algeria. OIC should condemn France. Djibouti, Somali-land,Lebanon and Syria should institute inquiries into French activities in these nations. Turkey should lobby with other African nations and Vietnam to expose French genocide/atrocities.

France is a major trading partner around the world for a lot of Muslim countries. Trade and economics are usually the priority of any nation in order to sustain their development or even the status they are at that time. OIC nations have a significant trade with France. The French being a tech powerhouse, have a lot of investments in a lot of Islamic countries. For that you can easily scrap out 20 Muslim nations including GCC's 6 nations and the rest north African leadership.

That leaves CAR countries none of which have a problem with France either politically or socially. The last bit are Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei all of which have very strong commercial ties with France that far supersede expressing grievance over something as remote as a bilateral issue between Turkey and France.

2. Finally let all Muslims ban French goods and withdraw oil sales to her.

I am not sure whether you heard of this layman's definition of trade, but it usually involves in TWO parties which involve in a give and take.

If Arabs sell oil, they sell it for money. France being a developed nation, buys massively and is a key customer and revenue earner for oil countries.

After discounting all these factors, the only countries that would be left would be Pakistan and Bangladesh and even your governments won't pass any resolution.

Economics comes before any such sentiments.

During Ottoman times, populations were tiny compared today and earth was much more resource rich to support that kind of "unity factor". Today it is simply not possible.

 

[ephone]

Both have committed genocide one way or the other. There is no reason to deny that.

Whatever turkey did then was not simply for defense. Those turks were much better armed compared to those armenians. Otherwise, we won't call it a genocide, just like no matter how bloodier it was, nobody call stalingrad defense campaign a genocide even though hundreds of thousand germany and soviet soldiers and civilians died then.

That is also why we call the rape of nanjing is also a genocide since those victims had no weapons to defend themselves.

Whatever Turkey did it was because Turkey's very existence was at stake, on the other hand, France committed genocide against the Algerians to continue its colonial rule. So, these two cannot be same. We hear of Turkey committing genocide only from the western countries but the fact that the French committed genocide is almost universally accepted.

 

[fallstuff]

As I said the the European values are recent phenomena and subject to the flow of wind.

 

[silko]

Both have committed genocide one way or the other. There is no reason to deny that.

Whatever turkey did then was not simply for defense. Those turks were much better armed compared to those armenians. Otherwise, we won't call it a genocide, just like no matter how bloodier it was, nobody call stalingrad defense campaign a genocide even though hundreds of thousand germany and soviet soldiers and civilians died then.

That is also why we call the rape of nanjing is also a genocide since those victims had no weapons to defend themselves.

you stupid or what? our soldiers froze to death in the eastern front because we didnt have the required equipment!

 

[T-Rex]

French MPs mentally unbalanced: Turkey
World Desk

25 December 2011 17:01


As the next presidential elections in France draws near, the French politicians are making efforts to win the votes of [French] Armenians by passing the genocide bill, Babacan said.

The French National Assembly on Thursday voted to pass a bill that criminalizes the denial of alleged Armenian genocide by the soldiers of the Ottoman Empire during World War I that is now represented as the State of Turkey.

The bill passed in France's lower house of parliament, demands a penalty of up to one year in jail and a fine of USD 58,870 for those that deny or "outrageously minimize" sufferings of Armenians due to the “genocide.”

Later on Thursday, Ankara recalled its ambassador from Paris and announced suspension of military ties with France.

Ankara has also threatened broader diplomatic and trade sanctions against Paris in the coming days.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has charged that the ruling party in France is “using Turkophobia and Islamophobia” to win the support of 500,000 Armenians living in France ahead of next year's presidential election.

Ethnic Armenian residents in France allege that up to “1.5 million” of their ancestors were killed during World War I “by the forces of Turkey's former Ottoman Empire.” Ankara, however, has vehemently and repeatedly denied such an allegation, citing historical facts. It has also dismissed the occasional repetition of the claim in mostly Western countries, as a calculated publicity campaign against the Muslim Turkish nation

In 2001, France officially gave recognition to the widely disputed claim, merely singling out the killing of Armenians and ignoring other victims of mass killings.

Recently, the Turkish premier strongly criticized France over the bill, saying, “Those who want to see genocide should turn around and look at their own dirty, bloody history.”

Erdogan branded as “genocide” the killing of thousands of Algerians at the hands of French forces between 1945 and 1962.

“In Algeria from 1945, an estimated 15 percent of the population was massacred by the French. This is genocide. The Algerians were burned en masse in ovens. They were martyred mercilessly,” Erdogan said.

France is among the major Western European countries and that engaged for many decades in colonizing numerous African, Asian and Latin American countries, enslaving, killing and displacing millions of local people and plundering their national wealth.

 

[scholseys]

Turkey is just huffing and puffing, thats all. Why don't the Turks pass a bill that says France commited genocide in Algeria? they won't because they want to get in the EU and France holds the key.

 

[RazPaK]

Booho, everybody is crying about the poor Armenians. Well the situation of the Armenian and Algerian genocide was different, because the Algerian genocide was a true genocide. What were the Ottomans supposed to do when the Armenians which were in their empire at the time stabbed them in the back? Where as France went out of their way to Algeria to colonize the people.

Sarkozy is a troll and I hope Erdogen personally visits France to slap him. Hypocritical troll that he is.

 

[scholseys]

Booho, everybody is crying about the poor Armenians. Well the situation of the Armenian and Algerian genocide was different, because the Algerian genocide was a true genocide. What were the Ottomans supposed to do when the Armenians which were in their empire at the time stabbed them in the back? Where as France went out of their way to Algeria to colonize the people.

Sarkozy is a troll and I hope Erdogen personally visits France to slap him. Hypocritical troll that he is.

Armenians were treated as second class citizens just like East Pakistan. The Ottomans did commit a genocide and denying it makes it much worse.