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The latest episode of the Pakistani Taliban (TTP) Pasoon podcast is on the recent tensions between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Shaikh Abdul Rahman Hamaad, a member of the TTP leadership council, said that "despite the disinterest of the Afghan Taliban, the war with Pakistan is significant for Afghanistan."

He alleged, "Pakistan has been behind the instability in Afghanistan for decades, and now it is time for Afghanistan to get rid of it."

Explaining the rationale behind (his defined) Pakistan's Afghan policy, he claimed that "Pakistan occupies a large part of Afghanistan, which includes Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the Pashtun belt of Balochistan and parts of Punjab, so it fears a stable Afghanistan."


@FuturePAF @_NOBODY_ @Sayfullah @Falcon34 @hussain0216 @PanzerKiel @Signalian

 
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despite the disinterest of the Afghan Taliban, the war with Pakistan is significant for Afghanistan."

I found this one hilarious.

The IEA just got out of a war, why would they be interested in joining another one 😂

If the IEA is heavily disinterested in the "war" why don't they crack down on the safe havens there. Either those safe havens are in unreachable mountain areas and a crackdown will cause an uproar among Talibs or are intentionally turning a blind eye to it (hence double game).

parts of Punjab

Probably talking about Attock.
 
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I found this one hilarious.

The IEA just got out of a war, why would they be interested in joining another one 😂

If the IEA is heavily disinterested in the "war" why don't they crack down on the safe havens there. Either those safe havens are in unreachable mountain areas and a crackdown will cause an uproar among Talibs or are intentionally turning a blind eye to it (hence double game).

Probably talking about Attock.
IEA top leadership is trying to be pragmatic, meaning build an economic base, stabilise the country, then go after the Pakistan issue.

But the foot soldiers and TTP want to continue their war aggressively straight away.

Anyway expect an upcoming conflict. It's building up, if not now then a decade down the line.
 
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I found this one hilarious.

The IEA just got out of a war, why would they be interested in joining another one 😂

If the IEA is heavily disinterested in the "war" why don't they crack down on the safe havens there. Either those safe havens are in unreachable mountain areas and a crackdown will cause an uproar among Talibs or are intentionally turning a blind eye to it (hence double game).



Probably talking about Attock.

They don't know anything else. It's just a matter of time before TTP BLA will be f ing khaki creatures inside out.

Really bad or might even worse days coming for pak.
 
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The latest episode of the Pakistani Taliban (TTP) Pasoon podcast is on the recent tensions between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Shaikh Abdul Rahman Hamaad, a member of the TTP leadership council, said that "despite the disinterest of the Afghan Taliban, the war with Pakistan is significant for Afghanistan."

He alleged, "Pakistan has been behind the instability in Afghanistan for decades, and now it is time for Afghanistan to get rid of it."

Explaining the rationale behind (his defined) Pakistan's Afghan policy, he claimed that "Pakistan occupies a large part of Afghanistan, which includes Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the Pashtun belt of Balochistan and parts of Punjab, so it fears a stable Afghanistan."


@FuturePAF @_NOBODY_ @Sayfullah @Falcon34 @hussain0216 @PanzerKiel @Signalian

So Pakistan has a serious trouble in the future ,
 
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IEA top leadership is trying to be pragmatic, meaning build an economic base, stabilise the country, then go after the Pakistan issue.

But the foot soldiers and TTP want to continue their war aggressively straight away.

Anyway expect an upcoming conflict. It's building up, if not now then a decade down the line.

I think it will stay low intensity, IEA is also dealing with ISKP. ISKP is also the group that did the suicide bombing in Bajaur.

It will definitely be used as leverage. IEA is definitely aware of the limitations Pakistan Army has from doing another Zarb-e-Azb, from economic freefall to lack of broader support and an increased scepticism from the public they probably, like you said, want to build themselves up first and then go after.

Seems like a page out of Iran's playbook as well as Pakistan's (in IOK and Afghanistan during WoT).

They don't know anything else. It's just a matter of time before TTP BLA will be f ing khaki creatures inside out.

Really bad or might even worse days coming for pak.

Economy and a sceptic public will be a disaster for any large scale ops.
 
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Afghani Arse got whipped multiple times by Ranjit Singh who was a Sikh.
But in Afghani single call brain, it was done by current generation of Punjabi muslims living in Pakistan.
The kiss rear ends of all Indians including Sikh. But want a revenge war against Pakistani Punjabi Muslims for something done to th by Ranjit Singh more than a century ago.
If there was a negative IQ , Afghani got that plenty.
 
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By that logic, Afghanistan occupies a large portion of Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan.
It's Afghans. Logic doesn't work.

Only pure firepower. That's the only thing they respect.

Afghani Arse got whipped multiple times by Ranjit Singh who was a Sikh.
But in Afghani single call brain, it was done by current generation of Punjabi muslims living in Pakistan.
The kiss rear ends of all Indians including Sikh. But want a revenge war against Pakistani Punjabi Muslims for something done to th by Ranjit Singh more than a century ago.
If there was a negative IQ , Afghani got that plenty.
It's an ethnic war for them. Not religious. Afghans love Indian Hindus.

They takfir anyone who they don't like, hence they call Punjabis as murtads.

Pakistan should amass a large drone inventory to carry out operations acround the border in Afghanistan and get some attack helicopters.
 
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seems like Pakistan is going to need to follow an Israeli-style approach to tackle these guys. Maybe its time to bury the hatchet for the sake of our people and collaborate heavily in counter-insurgency and intelligence gear
 
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It's Afghans. Logic doesn't work.

Only pure firepower. That's the only thing they respect.


It's an ethnic war for them. Not religious. Afghans love Indian Hindus.

They takfir anyone who they don't like, hence they call Punjabis as murtads.

Pakistan should amass a large drone inventory to carry out operations acround the border in Afghanistan and get some attack helicopters.
IEA said the TTP is an internal issue of Pakistan, and Pakistan should take that as a green light to find ways to comprehensively sideline the TTP from operating.

But this will require investment into communities along the border, so they have an alternative to dealing with these smugglers claiming to be something else.

Just another reason you need IK back in power to lead an overhaul of many government institutions, increase development to KPK, get the trans-afghan trade up and running (to be an alternative to smuggling), and empower the tribes and cities along the border to deal with these miscreants themselves, the police action it’s needs to be treated like, local Pashtuns dealing with local Pashtuns.
 
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Why Afghans hate Pakistan!​

Pakistan’s baggage – from support to mujahideen to the Taliban – sits at the heart of the anti-Pakistan sentiment



Imtiaz GulSeptember 04, 2023


the writer heads the independent centre for research and security studies islamabad and is the author of pakistan pivot of hizbut tahrir s global caliphate

The writer heads the independent Centre for Research and Security Studies, Islamabad and is the author of ‘Pakistan: Pivot of Hizbut Tahrir’s Global Caliphate’

At the risk of annoying many in both countries, herewith I am venturing to put down in black and white as to what bedevils Pak-Afghan relations and why most Afghans dislike, if not hate, Pakistan. Continued state of conflict has given birth to a sense of deprivation as well as an inferiority complex which often manifests itself on occasions such as recent cricket encounters in Sri Lanka , where most Afghan players displayed immaturity and hyped-up emotions that bordered hostility and abuse. I will try to explain the reasons below with the hope that top leadership is aware of this context while attempting to mend, improve and develop relations in a difficult geopolitical environment.
Before entry into the Kandahar airport building, you can be randomly asked for your passport and visa. As I got off the car to head into the airport building, I was directed to a bull of a man – with a stern face. First he asked for travel documents of a religious cleric born in Chaman but with extended family relations and businesses in Kandahar. He held the cleric’s one-page document – strangely holding it in a way that betrayed his ignorance – for some time, returned it and then asked me for passport. He flipped through visa pages repeatedly.
The security assistant browsed the passport too for a while. “What are you looking for?” I couldn’t resist asking after a few minutes. The security guy looked at me again and kept playing with the passport.
It reminded me of the Asharf Ghani and Hamid Karzai days when security officials used to put Pakistanis to extra scrutiny, confronting them with suspicion and hostile looks. It would invariably happen either at the entry or exit – the special treatment to Pakistanis, the nearest enemy “responsible for Afghanistan’s ills.”
Intelligence officials had a long “interrogation” session with two clerics from Chaman inside the terminal before the flight to Kabul. Lo and behold, when we disembarked from the bus at Kabul airport, an official with a walkie talkie waved us all in a certain direction. We followed him into his office where he treated us with lunch and tea. Meanwhile, the official asked the two clerics why they were visiting Kandahar and Kabul. And then said, “You should not have argued with my colleagues at Kandahar,” implying that they had tipped him off.
Not necessarily at all airports, Pakistanis every now and then do encounter such embarrassing treatment at the hands of security officials. Not all but some of them would treat you with deference as well. Once comfortable with you, Afghans are extremely hospitable, friendly and cordial. No doubt about that.
But the brief to security officials seems to be timelessly the same. Whether in mid-1990s or now the Taliban security apparatus hardly looks different from what it used to be until August 2021. What grudges drive this apathy, dislike and at times visible contempt for Pakistan?
As a person who frequently travelled the length and breadth of Afghanistan since 1987 and held it as a second home, I have countless stories to tell – negative stories that fed the evolution of the view on Pakistan, a country that twice served as the springboard for two US-led invasions into Afghanistan. These two military campaigns, according to the common perception, fed and built Pakistan but destroyed Afghanistan, giving birth first to mujahideen and then the Taliban. Both were seen as facilitators of Pakistan’s erstwhile “strategic depth” policy.

You pocketed dollars at the cost of peace in Afghanistan, so runs the allegation.
Systematically you aided forces that became part of a war economy fueled by the American overdrive – first to give a bloody nose to the Russians and then to avenge the 9/11 terror attacks. You offered your shoulders for the US war machinery on both occasions. The ultimate sufferers were the poor Afghans – first at the mercy of mujahideen and then Taliban. In between – 2001-2021 – the misgovernance and corrupt practices continued under the jamhooriat. The development we see in Pakistan is because of the war dollars that the country received.
This narrative began with the Indo-Pak proxy war to the context of post 9/11 events, led by President Karzai. The Ghani years saw a reinforcement of this narrative, with the President himself spearheading the campaign that projected Pakistan in bad light, thereby creating a) strong anti-Pakistan sentiment among the masses; and b) tilting relations in favour of India, which had gone on an unprecedented diplomatic and information offensive across the globe.
Taliban’s militant campaign all these years further reinforced this sentiment. Any expression of support for, or association with, Pakistan is generally synonymous with the “support for ISI”. Any single word in favour of Pakistan instantly draws suspicion and labelling as ISI agent.
Pakistan’s baggage – from support to mujahideen to the Taliban – sits at the heart of the anti-Pakistan sentiment. The Haqqani network and its relations with the Pakistani security establishment also served as the lynchpin of the Indo-US narrative on Pakistan. Attacks on the Indian embassy in Kabul were also attributed to and projected as the handwork of the Haqqanis as part of the information offensive against Pakistan.
Emergence of Daesh in November 2014 in Pakistan is another factor most Afghans slap Pakistanis with.
The problem originated in Pakistan, and we are not responsible for the troubles that have arisen out of a policy you pursued in the past, is the overt and implied messaging by Sirajuddin Haqqani and Defence Minister Mulla Yaqoob.
Officials in both countries have a job cut out for them: how to rub off negativity and distrust from peoples’ minds. It will require more courage and pragmatism in Afghanistan with a top-down approach. Will Taliban regime take lead and help in disincentivising the anti-Pakistan narrative that restricts the chances of building up the relationship free of the past acrimony?

Published in The Express Tribune, September 4th, 2023
 
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So far Pakistan has been very successful in eliminating TTP leaders inside Afghanistan. TTP has been issuing statements and doing small scale attacks only. However, with Pakistan economy going to the dogs, it will result in bold steps by TTP. Hafiz Asim Munir cannot handle war on these two fronts. The only solution is to implement Islamic economic and political system which will solve the problems of poverty and bring in the TTP as an extra unconventional force in service of the country. After that leave the American system and stop making interest payments to IMF as it is against Islam. Then make a European Union like arrangement with Iran and Afghanistan with no customs duties and visa free travel. Then join the Chinese and Russian camp. General Hameed Gul (late) said to tell them that these loans neither taken with our consent and nor spent on us. Additionally, I add that most of the loans are utilized in unneeded civil and military projects and is siphoned back to the West as payment to Western contractors or corruption money and is lying in Western banks in the accounts of politicians and civil and military officers.
 
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seems like Pakistan is going to need to follow an Israeli-style approach to tackle these guys. Maybe its time to bury the hatchet for the sake of our people and collaborate heavily in counter-insurgency and intelligence gear
Pakistan and Israel share a lot of similarities but with opposite ideologies. It's basically the Islamic Israel.

It needs competent and nationalist leadership if it wants to survive but instead it has corrupt opportunists with low IQs.

So far Pakistan has been very successful in eliminating TTP leaders inside Afghanistan. TTP has been issuing statements and doing small scale attacks only. However, with Pakistan economy going to the dogs, it will result in bold steps by TTP. Hafiz Asim Munir cannot handle war on these two fronts. The only solution is to implement Islamic economic and political system which will solve the problems of poverty and bring in the TTP as an extra unconventional force in service of the country. After that leave the American system and stop making interest payments to IMF as it is against Islam. Then make a European Union like arrangement with Iran and Afghanistan with no customs duties and visa free travel. Then join the Chinese and Russian camp.
Shariah won't solve the core issue.

This is an ethnic war and its clear as day. Afghans see every person identifying as Pakistani as a Punjabi.

It's Afghan vs "Punjabi".

Why Afghans hate Pakistan!​

Pakistan’s baggage – from support to mujahideen to the Taliban – sits at the heart of the anti-Pakistan sentiment



Imtiaz GulSeptember 04, 2023


the writer heads the independent centre for research and security studies islamabad and is the author of pakistan pivot of hizbut tahrir s global caliphate

The writer heads the independent Centre for Research and Security Studies, Islamabad and is the author of ‘Pakistan: Pivot of Hizbut Tahrir’s Global Caliphate’

At the risk of annoying many in both countries, herewith I am venturing to put down in black and white as to what bedevils Pak-Afghan relations and why most Afghans dislike, if not hate, Pakistan. Continued state of conflict has given birth to a sense of deprivation as well as an inferiority complex which often manifests itself on occasions such as recent cricket encounters in Sri Lanka , where most Afghan players displayed immaturity and hyped-up emotions that bordered hostility and abuse. I will try to explain the reasons below with the hope that top leadership is aware of this context while attempting to mend, improve and develop relations in a difficult geopolitical environment.
Before entry into the Kandahar airport building, you can be randomly asked for your passport and visa. As I got off the car to head into the airport building, I was directed to a bull of a man – with a stern face. First he asked for travel documents of a religious cleric born in Chaman but with extended family relations and businesses in Kandahar. He held the cleric’s one-page document – strangely holding it in a way that betrayed his ignorance – for some time, returned it and then asked me for passport. He flipped through visa pages repeatedly.
The security assistant browsed the passport too for a while. “What are you looking for?” I couldn’t resist asking after a few minutes. The security guy looked at me again and kept playing with the passport.
It reminded me of the Asharf Ghani and Hamid Karzai days when security officials used to put Pakistanis to extra scrutiny, confronting them with suspicion and hostile looks. It would invariably happen either at the entry or exit – the special treatment to Pakistanis, the nearest enemy “responsible for Afghanistan’s ills.”
Intelligence officials had a long “interrogation” session with two clerics from Chaman inside the terminal before the flight to Kabul. Lo and behold, when we disembarked from the bus at Kabul airport, an official with a walkie talkie waved us all in a certain direction. We followed him into his office where he treated us with lunch and tea. Meanwhile, the official asked the two clerics why they were visiting Kandahar and Kabul. And then said, “You should not have argued with my colleagues at Kandahar,” implying that they had tipped him off.
Not necessarily at all airports, Pakistanis every now and then do encounter such embarrassing treatment at the hands of security officials. Not all but some of them would treat you with deference as well. Once comfortable with you, Afghans are extremely hospitable, friendly and cordial. No doubt about that.
But the brief to security officials seems to be timelessly the same. Whether in mid-1990s or now the Taliban security apparatus hardly looks different from what it used to be until August 2021. What grudges drive this apathy, dislike and at times visible contempt for Pakistan?
As a person who frequently travelled the length and breadth of Afghanistan since 1987 and held it as a second home, I have countless stories to tell – negative stories that fed the evolution of the view on Pakistan, a country that twice served as the springboard for two US-led invasions into Afghanistan. These two military campaigns, according to the common perception, fed and built Pakistan but destroyed Afghanistan, giving birth first to mujahideen and then the Taliban. Both were seen as facilitators of Pakistan’s erstwhile “strategic depth” policy.

You pocketed dollars at the cost of peace in Afghanistan, so runs the allegation.
Systematically you aided forces that became part of a war economy fueled by the American overdrive – first to give a bloody nose to the Russians and then to avenge the 9/11 terror attacks. You offered your shoulders for the US war machinery on both occasions. The ultimate sufferers were the poor Afghans – first at the mercy of mujahideen and then Taliban. In between – 2001-2021 – the misgovernance and corrupt practices continued under the jamhooriat. The development we see in Pakistan is because of the war dollars that the country received.
This narrative began with the Indo-Pak proxy war to the context of post 9/11 events, led by President Karzai. The Ghani years saw a reinforcement of this narrative, with the President himself spearheading the campaign that projected Pakistan in bad light, thereby creating a) strong anti-Pakistan sentiment among the masses; and b) tilting relations in favour of India, which had gone on an unprecedented diplomatic and information offensive across the globe.
Taliban’s militant campaign all these years further reinforced this sentiment. Any expression of support for, or association with, Pakistan is generally synonymous with the “support for ISI”. Any single word in favour of Pakistan instantly draws suspicion and labelling as ISI agent.
Pakistan’s baggage – from support to mujahideen to the Taliban – sits at the heart of the anti-Pakistan sentiment. The Haqqani network and its relations with the Pakistani security establishment also served as the lynchpin of the Indo-US narrative on Pakistan. Attacks on the Indian embassy in Kabul were also attributed to and projected as the handwork of the Haqqanis as part of the information offensive against Pakistan.
Emergence of Daesh in November 2014 in Pakistan is another factor most Afghans slap Pakistanis with.
The problem originated in Pakistan, and we are not responsible for the troubles that have arisen out of a policy you pursued in the past, is the overt and implied messaging by Sirajuddin Haqqani and Defence Minister Mulla Yaqoob.
Officials in both countries have a job cut out for them: how to rub off negativity and distrust from peoples’ minds. It will require more courage and pragmatism in Afghanistan with a top-down approach. Will Taliban regime take lead and help in disincentivising the anti-Pakistan narrative that restricts the chances of building up the relationship free of the past acrimony?

Published in The Express Tribune, September 4th, 2023
All these articles are useless and don't know shit. All they can reference is the US war but don't know history.

The reason for anti-Pakistan sentiment is:

- Afghans claim Pakistani land since '47.

- An ethnic war where they see every Pakistani as a Punjabi, which they view as their enemy.

IEA said the TTP is an internal issue of Pakistan, and Pakistan should take that as a green light to find ways to comprehensively sideline the TTP from operating.

But this will require investment into communities along the border, so they have an alternative to dealing with these smugglers claiming to be something else.

Just another reason you need IK back in power to lead an overhaul of many government institutions, increase development to KPK, get the trans-afghan trade up and running (to be an alternative to smuggling), and empower the tribes and cities along the border to deal with these miscreants themselves, the police action it’s needs to be treated like, local Pashtuns dealing with local Pashtuns.
The TTP is a wing of the IEA. Statements are purely strategic and political.

I don't think there is any way out of this that doesn't entail violence and using force.
 
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