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TTP Murdered 11 foreign mountaineers at Nanga Parbat base camp.

10 foreign victims identified after Nanga Parbat attack – The Express Tribune

One was an American with dual Chinese citizenship, three came from the Ukraine, two from Slovakia, two others from China, one from Lithuania and one from Nepal, they said.

3 Ukrainians
3 Chinese (out of which 1 was a Chinese-American)
2 Slovaks
1 Lithuanian
1 Nepalese
1 Pakistani


Why do they keep changing it ?

Rest in Peace.
 
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10 foreign victims identified after Nanga Parbat attack – The Express Tribune

One was an American with dual Chinese citizenship, three came from the Ukraine, two from Slovakia, two others from China, one from Lithuania and one from Nepal, they said.



3 Ukrainians
3 Chinese (out of which 1 was a Chinese-American)
2 Slovaks
1 Lithuanian
1 Nepalese
2 Pakistani


Why do they keep changing it ?

Rest in Peace.

The newspapers/media are in hurry to break the news and take lead thats why
 
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There were 51 foreign climbers in the region, the remaining are now under army's protection. A c130 has been sent to evac the remaining few climbers. Search operation is ongoing.
 
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Correct me if i am wrong, if you are so determined on being the champion for Muslim morality then tell me this, who invented the concept of projectile based weapons that your TTP brethern now use? That's right an Infidel, who made the paracetamol that you pop when you get a headache? The language you use on the forums, who is that language associated with? and here is the kicker, the internet you are using right now to access this forum and spew your venom... Who invented that? That's right a Kuffar.

Goodness gracious brother, you just collaborated with the sinners, you just used Kuffar based technology to make your life easier, better repent now or better still get 3 other like minded idiots and do this instead:

Blow up the internet - YouTube
sorry for the OT but, is this from a TV show or some kind of short film? Please post a few more details about the video.
 
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indeed very true. that much we all sussed out without the help of security and intelligence agencies telling us
but they are outclassed by the foreign funded domestic terrorists that also enjoy a considerable public following.

we are reminded time and again about the sacrifices made by military in the fight against terrorism which is a real tragedy because it should have been the terrorists suffering the casualties , the general public, doctors, nurses, teachers, writers, students, Imams and scholars also have sacrificed their lives by standing up to the terrorists.

people seem to have missed out what Muse said. this is the same nation that mobilized after the detention of 60 judges but this resolve seems to be lacking while dealing with terrorists.

it is very easy to see that at this rate the foreign funding of the terrorists will become overt and in mass scale once the terrorists will bring the military to the level of Pakistan railways. it seems absurd to say such thing but only a decade ago getting attacked by a bunch of terrorists and losing billion dollar worth of aircrafts was also unthinkable.

Its a tragedy. But there is no leadership. Those who try to devise solution are instantly branded terror sympathisers. But those blame everyone to be terror sympathiser also have no solution but to beg US and the West for everything.

I must say the enemy is winning here. The confusion they have created in our society is a great achievement. We still think war is between two militaries. However, since 9/11, a new type of war has been imposed on the world. For this war, we have no soldiers and no resources. Just total confusion.

But we can still do a much better job than this. I think its the third or fourth attack in Gilgit Baltistan where terrorists were wearing army uniforms. What is stopping local authorities or those in the region to clamp down on shops or individuals selling these uniforms? After so many attacks, atl east local intel would be much better informed who and where these terrorists come from. So why cant they go after them?

Pakistan and its leadership is so timid, it cant even name its enemy. But I m reminded that those who beg international banks and rich countries to give them cash, have already sold their independence before they even claim it.
 
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Nothing but confusion


Amir Zia
Monday, June 24, 2013
From Print Edition


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The writer is editor The News, Karachi.

Many innocent minds thought that the new government would at least have a plan, some strategy to tackle the twin challenges of religious extremism and terrorism that now pose an existential threat to the state called Pakistan. Alas, Prime Minister Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif’s opening shots in the first couple of weeks in power fail to stir much confidence or give us hope.

The facts are depressing; since Sharif took oath as prime minister on June 5, there have been at least 10 major- to mid-level terror attacks and a spate of targeted killings across the country in which more than 150 people have been killed, with many more wounded. The victims of terrorism and religious, political and ethnic violence include two provincial assembly lawmakers – one each from Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, while others on this ever-expanding list are Pakistan Army officers and soldiers, policemen, Shia Muslims, an Ahmadi, members of various political parties and of course ordinary men, women and children.

Most of them had nothing whatsoever to do with any of the simmering conflicts within the country – from North Waziristan to Balochistan. They also did not invite or permit US drones to target Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants, who successfully managed to bring the Afghan war on Pakistani territory. These civilians, seen as a legitimate and fair target by militants, just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Equally disappointing remains the new government’s response to the brutalities unleashed by the Al-Qaeda-inspired local militants and those committing barbaric acts in the name of Balochistan’s rights or under the banner of some ‘lashkar’, tehreek or the George Orwellian ‘peace’ committee in Karachi.

Our ‘lion-hearted’ prime minister, his ‘hawkish’ interior minister, the ‘talented’ brother, and even the smooth-talking information minister – all failed even to talk the right talk, let alone showing any signs that the government at least plans to take practical steps and a holistic approach to tackle the ghost of terrorism and extremism.

Yes, we all know that the new setup is still very new and in the process of settling in. The elected government has yet to come to terms with power and its various stakeholders. It is still struggling to make sense out of all the chaos around it. And most importantly, it has no magic wand to put back in the bottle the genie of extremism and terrorism – unleashed in the 1980s by Sharif’s one-time mentor and boss General Ziaul Haq – transforming Pakistan into the abnormal country the world knows today.

But the new government should have at least given a clear-cut policy statement, an outline of its strategy or even a mere expression of interest on whether it wants to confront the challenge of terrorism. If the answer is yes; then the question remains: how? However, all we got was a timid, meek, confusing and self-contradictory response at various government levels and a ‘meaningless’ silence from the prime minister himself.

His lieutenants keep giving the message that the government wants to talk with those ‘who are willing to talk’ and vow stern action against those who continue to remain on the path of violence and terrorism. At the same time, our new rulers and masters also frequently come up with one of the most fashionable policy statements of these unfortunate times – ‘dialogue is the only way to bring peace and put an end to terrorism’.

But haven’t we all heard, read and suffered such confusing statements countless times before? What remains unclear is whether the government wants to talk and fight at the same time or just talk and not fight at all. Will it impose any preconditions for talks with militants of different shades or first surrender to their demands that include freeing prisoners, pulling out troops from the conflict zones and handing over parts of Pakistan’s territory to them? All these questions merit straight answers.

The contrast between the single-mindedness of militants and the lack of direction on the part of the government is scary. While militants are on a killing spree our elected representatives overwhelmingly are of the view that the struggle against terrorism and extremism is not Pakistan’s concern. They want to believe that once Islamabad somehow manages to halt the US drone attacks and disassociates itself from what they call an ‘American war’, Pakistan will be back to normal. They also mistakenly think that the militants are organised under some broad monolith umbrella having a centralised control that can be switched on and off by pressing the right buttons. Such presumptions are flawed, dangerous and self-defeating.

It would be interesting to hear what the military leaders and their foot soldiers, who stand in the line of fire, have to say to these pearls of wisdom by elected and unelected politicians.

However, the so-called ‘talks lobby’ comprising religious and right-wing forces, many of which are sympathetic to the Taliban’s controversial version of Islam, are likely to become more assertive in their demand that the government should hold talks with the local militants following the fact that the US is now openly engaging with the Afghan Taliban as part of its exit strategy from Afghanistan. The opening up of the Afghan Taliban’s office in Doha is likely to embolden and encourage not just the pro-talk lobbies, but also the local militants as key Pakistani institutions and political players appear to be struggling for a consensus.

The only problem with this pro-talk narrative is that there is no parallel between Afghanistan and Pakistan when it comes to engaging with militants. In Afghanistan, a foreign occupation force is trying to strike a deal with a local force that dominates the majority Pakthun belt of that war-torn country. In Pakistan, the security forces are trying to establish the writ of the state in some fringe areas where local and foreign militants have taken shelter. In the Pakistani context, it is the question of whether the state is prepared to abdicate its writ from parts of its territory and allow militants to use it for terrorism within the country and across the world.

Are Sharif, Imran Khan, Maulana Fazlur Rehman and others who plead the case for talks ready to settle in for the second option? The nation demands an answer. The military, which is by far spearheading the struggle against militants amidst allegations that it patronises some favourites among them, should think twice before committing to a position in the supposed ‘end game’ in Afghanistan.

The Pakistani Taliban and other Al-Qaeda-inspired groups take a lead from their Afghan counterparts who, as proven in the past, remain more committed to their pan-Islamist political agenda than obliging Pakistan. We tried and tested this approach in the run-up to start of the US’ more than a decade long great adventure in Afghanistan and found it wanting.

History shows that policies of appeasement and deals with non-state actors at the cost of the country’s constitution, sovereignty and political order always boomerang. The moment the state and its institutions show signs of fatigue and weakness in a conflict, militants get a psychological edge in the battle of nerves.

Our civilian leaders’ desperation to negotiate with those responsible for the killings of thousands of innocent people is nothing but an open admission of weakness. Should one take this desperation to hold talks with militants as an epitaph to Jinnah’s Pakistan? Or is there hope that the military and civilian leadership will be on the same page and do the needful – take the bull by its horns and save Pakistan from these forces of darkness? The armed forces should at least have the capacity to show some light to the elected ones to counter this internal threat and destroy their own Frankenstein’s monsters – or is this too a tall order?

Nicely summarized. While the writer talks about the military having the capacity to show the light, I believe it is not an issue of capacity but of will and intent. The military has always had the capacity to kill the jihxdi monster it spawned, but has never demonstrated the resolve or intent to do so.

The political leadership is clearly confused, indulging in rhetoric that reeks of cowardice. However, to be fair it simply doesn't have the muscle to do the needful without the backing of the military. The Salafi-inspired militant movement will continue to wreak havoc until the military establishment decides to grab the bull by the horns.
 
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No we dont. These terrorists are foreign backed. There is definitely a foreign agenda to isolate and weaken Pakistan. Our response has been lacking. We therefore keep suffering.

You kind of answered yourself
 
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How twisted the reasoning for killing Chinese and Ukrainian climbers in Gilgit-Balistan near Nanga Parbat. These terrorists have been creating havoc all over Pakistan and now they are not even leaving those peaceful tourists who come and contribute towards the country’s dying tourism industry. There is no excuse for even one person to support these killers who have blatantly killed and proudly claimed responsibility of their heinous crimes over and over again. We all need to call out the enemy for what they are and remain united against this common enemy of humanity. By sticking together we can work to bring about sustained peace in the region.



Abdul Quddus
DET-United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command
 
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MOSCOW, June 24 (RIA Novosti) - Hours after a deadly militant attack, a group of mountain climbers in Pakistan has requested Russia to evacuate them, Russian Mountaineering Federation executive director Alexei Ovchinnikov told R-Sport on Sunday.
According to media reports, at least a dozen Islamic militants dressed in police uniforms shot nine tourists and a local guide early on Sunday after rousing them from their sleep in a hotel at the foot of the world’s ninth-highest mountain, Nanga Parbat, in northern Pakistan.
"We have already contacted the Russian emergencies ministry [with the request]. In addition, our Ukrainian, Georgian and Lithuanian colleagues are set to ask the Russian Foreign Ministry and [its head Sergei] Lavrov to evacuate survivors and dead bodies by plane next week,” Ovchinnikov said.
BBC said five Ukrainians, three Chinese and a Lithuanian national were killed, but Lithuanian diplomats did not confirm the report, saying the information is currently being verified. According to the data obtained by the Russian Mountaineering Federation, no Russians were among the victims.
“A Lithuanian national, Ukrainians and people whose nationality is yet unclear were killed in the attack. Possibly, two Georgians also were there, but their fate is unknown. We were unable to contact the tent camp where the shooting took place,” Ovchinnikov said.
He said that initial reports that a Russian national was killed were not confirmed by Russian mountaineer teams in the area.
“We contacted our teams via a satellite phone. So far, they say that all Russians there were unharmed. They are yet to be evacuated from a camp near the site of the attack, and from a gorge nearby,” the official said.
He also said that the number of Russians in the area is yet to be established. According to Ovchinnikov, three groups of Russian mountain climbers have flown to Pakistan recently: one is currently guarded by the Pakistani servicemen, the second has no armed guards and the third has just arrived at Islamabad and is now safe.
"We are now trying to determine the exact number of Russians, there might be a dozen of them but no exact figures are available… Unfortunately, there are also people in the area who are just travelling, not climbing mountains. So now we are trying to find out if there are Russians among them,” he said.

Tourists Ask Russia to Evacuate Them from Pakistan | Russia | RIA Novosti
 
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You are Quite the Brain dead guy aren't you ?

ISI is not responsible for any internal matters just like CIA is not responsible in USA for any mess caused inside their country .. They Have FBI we Have IB + FIA ... that is another thing that due to incompetency of both FIA & IB, ISI has to do their work as well , that does not make it ISI territory ..

dude, learn intelligence frame work, you have even no idea how intelligence is worked what responsibilities they have. ISI is damn responsible for this incident when its their duty to get information of potential threat for country and analyze possible targets and then discussed or pass this information to IB, Military intelligence, ministry of interior to take necessary steps. Problem in our country is that we have no centralize system when too much agencies and lowest efficiency rate. The type of attack and current political scenario and moreover given source of news gives clear image of masterminds.

Son, just taking emotional side will not solve the problem. Problem will solve when we will bring 'SHUTAR BE MUHAARs' in the court and questioned for their duties.
 
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dude, learn intelligence frame work, you have even no idea how intelligence is worked what responsibilities they have. ISI is damn responsible for this incident when its their duty to get information of potential threat for country and analyze possible targets and then discussed or pass this information to IB, Military intelligence, ministry of interior to take necessary steps. Problem in our country is that we have no centralize system when too much agencies and lowest efficiency rate. The type of attack and current political scenario and moreover given source of news gives clear image of masterminds.

Son, just taking emotional side will not solve the problem. Problem will solve when we will bring 'SHUTAR BE MUHAARs' in the court and questioned for their duties.

ISI needs to be dissolved on charges of incompetence and complicity in crime and terrorism.
 
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ISI needs to be dissolved on charges of incompetence and complicity in crime and terrorism.

That's not the way to solution, please come out from traditional political type of taking decision.
 
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So the terrorists haven't been caught yet?
Thats just shameful...
 
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dude, learn intelligence frame work, you have even no idea how intelligence is worked what responsibilities they have. ISI is damn responsible for this incident when its their duty to get information of potential threat for country and analyze possible targets and then discussed or pass this information to IB, Military intelligence, ministry of interior to take necessary steps. Problem in our country is that we have no centralize system when too much agencies and lowest efficiency rate. The type of attack and current political scenario and moreover given source of news gives clear image of masterminds.

Son, just taking emotional side will not solve the problem. Problem will solve when we will bring 'SHUTAR BE MUHAARs' in the court and questioned for their duties.
are you serious? you don't actually mean that right? because its you who needs lesson on how Intelligence system works.....
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You have IB - which is under direct command of PM and works under Civilian govt that is why it always had PSP officers in it.
They are supposed to gather intelligence on anything happening in Pakistan (like they need to watch TTP, Target killers in karachi, Violence / abductions in Balochistan, secular attacks). It is their job to look at local militant groups.

Than you have FIA - with its SIU / SIG. Special Investigation Group. The sole purpose is to gather forensic evidence, trace militant funding . and than they have Tactical units which are actually supposed to take actions.

Than you have the lower level Intelligence Units. which is often tagged as Police Special Branch. There job is to keep an eye on local gangs, drug trafficking , and militancy.

So the way I look at it, SB should have kept a eye in the area. If there was no SB unit there than you need to have IB personnel in place in the region.....do you even know IB / FIA have regional stations just like Police stations and they are overlooked by a personnel at the rank of Inspector = SHO
 
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