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Why are you mocking fiqir of ipi by the way?
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Why are you mocking fiqir of ipi by the way?
Why are you mocking fiqir of ipi by the way?
Because they consider him a hero
TTP might call rest of Pakistan kafir murtid but believe Ipi faqir to be a saint and a hero. He is like an ideologue to them and others like them
People see everything in black and white
What would you have done if you had fought against British raj your whole life and In front of barrels of your guns it would rarely be British but sikhs and punjabis doing the British bidding?
Had other parts of subcontinent followed wazristan pathway British raj wouldn't have lasted for 200 yrs
In his last yrs he regretted his POST independence struggle and told his followers to accept Pakistan as well effectively ending the pushtnistan movement single handedly
It's Pakistani habit to label everyone as traitor from all the way back to khushal Khan khattack to Fatima Jinnah..
So fighting the British who were bombing wazristan with airplanes was being used as tissue paperHe might have regretted for being used as a tissue paper by rulers of Kabul however he is still used as a source of inspiration for all anti Pakistan groups both clean shaved ones like PTM or the bearded ones like TTP
But yeah you ae right. Not fault of this poor guy
So fighting the British who were bombing wazristan with airplanes was being used as tissue paper
Wow man I have to give to you..
No point of discussion with someone who thinks British raj was honorable
Good luck
Atleast now I understand how they ruled for 200 yrs
Also explains the current behavior
You should also condemn Jinnah for calling for united India first before 1940 and call him a traitor
Just like how you guys called Fatima Jinnah a traitor
The Important question is, why should culture be fought or say changed? Shouldn't it be organic, as in the future generations choosing the path they want to? Am sure no one likes to be told, that what they are doing is wrong. It need not be something larger like culture, even small things when pointed can hurt a individual. Makes him feel pointed out and targeted, which is certainly not nice.Has that solved cultural issues though - rebel leaders having businesses or children studying doesn’t address the right aspect. Basically, the issue here is reforming an archaic culture using existing reformed people from that culture.
No unless Naga are fully embracing Indian society - no longer prone to violence or kidnappings and so on it doesn’t solve the issue. Also, naga rebels aren’t the best analogy - I would almost think of a situation akin to what Sir Syed needed to with the muslim polity all isolated to get them to engage with the British system(ironic since that “get with the occupation”) tone is resonating these days in that area
The problem here is - you’re fighting culture.
It’s almost like saying you want to redo East Pakistan and suppress Bengali culture if aspects(which may not be their fault entirely) of it were actually harming the Bengali people and keeping them suppressed.
It’s a rock and a hard place because trillions and 20 years from the United States did not change this entrenched idea enmasse although it did spur a change which was squandered by corrupt leadership.
Building schools in those tribal areas is a step - but if the elders and more importantly the political leadership is hell bent on saying X while doing Y and allegedly so are members of the deep state - then the common man will resent change regardless.
A lot of it happens and a lot does not. Partly because of the lack of lines of communication as I mentioned earlier. The bigger issue is that like any cornered animal people tend to react very negatively as you rightly pointed if their core beliefs - in this case their culture is pointed out as toxic. Ive had that experience myself because I point out the same for my ethnic group and their beliefs and you get instantly excommunicated from the hive mind so to speak. However, the problem here is that if this isn’t done in a rapid organic fashion then with the current clash of both modernism and social fabric swirling in and out in Pakistan - it will lead to another civil war but in this case the outcome wont be rosy for anyone for that matter. Because the option for these tribes and the general ethnicity is to merge with Afghanistan and despite all the ethnic relations the reception there will not be garlands as is being assumed.The Important question is, why should culture be fought or say changed? Shouldn't it be organic, as in the future generations choosing the path they want to? Am sure no one likes to be told, that what they are doing is wrong. It need not be something larger like culture, even small things when pointed can hurt a individual. Makes him feel pointed out and targeted, which is certainly not nice.
Maybe GOP can give the troubled areas, some sort of autonomy when it comes to local governance? However give them strict warning, when it comes to matters of country's security like external relations or defense interests etc. The little autonomy will make them feel secure and part of Pakistani nation. Build schools and hospitals, then create employment opportunities etc.. this will need money which currently is a problem for GOP. Self governance for the troubled parts, it will not take money right? Also when these people get into administrative positions, they will understand how difficult it is to handle governance and money.
Oh and like Agnostic Indian pointed out, let them some sort of money making avenue (legally I mean) to keep them invested in the country. Small things like cultural events, where their culture is displayed on TV or media and talked about and celebrated etc.. these can help too. Softer ways to make them happy?
Damn I think you're on some Nawaz sharif aik Nasha hai stuff lol - reread what he is sayingSo fighting the British who were bombing wazristan with airplanes was being used as tissue paper
Wow man I have to give to you..
No point of discussion with someone who thinks British raj was honorable
Good luck
Atleast now I understand how they ruled for 200 yrs
Also explains the current behavior
You should also condemn Jinnah for calling for united India first before 1940 and call him a traitor
Just like how you guys called Fatima Jinnah a traitor
I see what you mean, but sadly rapid and organic can't go hand in hand. It's just not possible, as culture evolves over millenia or generations. Realization has to come from within, it can't be forced right?A lot of it happens and a lot does not. Partly because of the lack of lines of communication as I mentioned earlier. The bigger issue is that like any cornered animal people tend to react very negatively as you rightly pointed if their core beliefs - in this case their culture is pointed out as toxic. Ive had that experience myself because I point out the same for my ethnic group and their beliefs and you get instantly excommunicated from the hive mind so to speak. However, the problem here is that if this isn’t done in a rapid organic fashion then with the current clash of both modernism and social fabric swirling in and out in Pakistan - it will lead to another civil war but in this case the outcome wont be rosy for anyone for that matter. Because the option for these tribes and the general ethnicity is to merge with Afghanistan and despite all the ethnic relations the reception there will not be garlands as is being assumed.
Why are you mocking fiqir of ipi by the way?
Pashtun ethnonationalists are hypocritical by nature, I know you're pashtun so you want to beat around the bush but Pashtun women in the west who have their legs out, hair out and have boyfriends were praising and worshipping the Afghan taliban? Why? Simply because they want their ethnicity to have complete control.Who exactly are pashtun ethnonationalists that lobe taliban? Lolz ANP? Lolz ANP ppl are famous for drugs n vodka use and love watching mujras. They also have women active in politics and not to forget are allies in PDM. Pashteen gang are also liberal and love whisky n women actively participate in politics. So i dnt know who the hell r u talking abt.
The rest mullahs have wet dreams about ummah n think nationalists are kafir. I dont know from where u get ur info but u couldnt be more wrong.
You are answering your own question.What does sharing the same ethnicity mean exactly? Where Punjabi Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus not massacring each other (millions dying) during the partition?
75 years is inconsequential in history. Historically it is very tiny and doesn't differentiate the same populations.Why do you assume that Pakistanis Pasthuns and Afghan Pashtuns are identical when they have been part of two very different states for the past 75 years with different histories?
how didn't they go full speed if even today everyone is still crying about all those drone strikes and operations in waziristan?...Why didn’t Pakistan go at full speed after APS?
Or even in the past couple of years? There’s 0 strategy. Of course they will take advantage
So you want to say that Pak army somehow is playing a massive double game where it is getting its officers and soldiers killed by TTP to impose same TTP on people where having dozens of guns in their homes is a norm and can easily fight back any proxy if they want to
Also since all this is being done to delay elections then why army troops were killed every other day in Waziristan in particular when Imran Khan was Prime minister and no elections were going to happen then
@villageidiot @Bleek Can you guys explain this logic to me???