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TAIPEI -- Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is stepping up its evaluation of whether to build an advanced chip facility in the U.S. in response to pressure from Washington, which wants the world's biggest contract chipmaker to produce on American soil over security concerns.

TSMC, which makes chips for U.S. F-35 fighter jets and supplies almost all global chip developers, including Apple, Huawei, Qualcomm and Nvidia, is actively considering a U.S. plant, two sources briefed on the plan told the Nikkei Asian Review. A new plant would aim to be the world's most cutting-edge, producing semiconductors more advanced than the 5-nanometer node chips that Apple will adopt in its latest 5G iPhones this year, they said.

The proposal shows how the Taiwanese chipmaker is trying to assuage U.S. alarm over the supply chain for military-use chips. The company also faces being caught up in Washington's hostility to China's Huawei Technologies, a key TSMC customer that President Donald Trump's administration views as a security threat.


Washington has stepped up pressure on TSMC before the U.S. presidential election in November, as the Nikkei Asian Review first reported in January.

A plant would be TSMC's first in the U.S. for more than 20 years. However the proposal is still subject to change amid geopolitical uncertainty and concern over costs, which for TSMC would be much higher in the U.S. than in Taiwan.

A third person familiar with the company's deliberations said it was "not possible" to be as profitable in the U.S. unless TSMC's American clients and state governments helped to shoulder some of the billions of dollars that a plant would cost. TSMC's latest 5 nm chip plant in Taiwan will cost more than $24 billion, including research and development costs.

Any U.S. plant would be on the West Coast, one person briefed on the matter said.

A West Coast plant would put TSMC closer to clients, another source familiar with the issue said, adding that "there are more suppliers and more talent compared with the East Coast."

The U.S. has long worried about the risks of offshore production for some military-use chips. Last year the Pentagon contacted several TSMC customers, warning them about the security implications of relying on a company in democratic Taiwan, which China views as part of its territory and has not ruled out taking by force.

TSMC has also been caught in the crossfire in the U.S.-Huawei dispute. The Chinese tech company has been blacklisted by Washington over accusations that it spied for the Chinese government. Huawei denies the allegations.

Huawei relies on TSMC for the production of almost all of its advanced processor and modem chips used in its smartphones, servers and other telecom equipment. Huawei has become TSMC's no. 2 client behind Apple, contributing more than 10% of the chipmaker's total revenue.

The Trump administration has not given up the option of further restricting the use of American technologies by Huawei's foreign suppliers, including TSMC. The Taiwanese group still relies extensively on equipment provided by U.S. vendors.

"TSMC is facing a strategic decision of whether it wants to later focus more on the U.S. market or the Chinese market," Su Tze-Yun, director of Taiwan's Institute for National Defense and Security Research, told the Nikkei Asian Review. "Building an advanced chip plant [in the U.S.] could be one solution."

"The U.S. is concerned that any of its high-security chip design blueprints could fall into Chinese hands," Su continued. "Meanwhile, the U.S. is also concerned that TSMC's Chinese customers could secretly help the Chinese army build chips targeting the U.S."

A source briefed on TSMC's plans said the chipmaker was considering producing 2-nm chips in the U.S. The smaller the nanometer size of a chip, the more advanced and expensive it is to build.

Apple's iPhone 11 core processors, as well as Nvidia's latest graphic processors for artificial intelligence computing and autonomous driving, use TSMC's 7-nm process technology, while Xilinx's chips used in satellites and F-35 fighter jets use TSMC's 16-nm process technology.

The latest generation across the chip industry will be the 5-nm chips that TSMC will put into production this year; development of 3-nm and 2-nm technology is underway. TSMC has decided to produce 3-nm chips in the southern Taiwanese city of Tainan and will break ground this year on a plant expected to become operational in 2022. It is still looking for locations to produce its 2-nm chips.

"The most preferable location will definitely still be in Taiwan," a source familiar with the matter said. "However, it's also quite difficult to find a place for such a plant, as Taiwan is also short of land, electricity and water, as well as facing growing environmental concerns.

"It's inevitable that TSMC has to look for overseas production, also for long-term planning purposes beyond geopolitical factors."

TSMC's plan, if it materializes, would mark another example of a multinational company adjusting its business strategy in the wake of geopolitical tensions. ASML, the Dutch company that is Europe's biggest chipmaking equipment producer, last year suspended a shipment of an advanced production tool to China's state-backed chipmaker Semiconductor Manufacturing International Co. due to U.S. pressure, Nikkei first reported.

TSMC's only U.S. factory, in Washington state, went into operation in 1998. Most of TSMC's chip production is in Taiwan, where the semiconductor titan has said it is more cost-effective and efficient to operate.

"The cost in Taiwan is the lowest among all regions across the world," Mark Liu, TSMC's chairman, said in January when asked if his company would build a plant in the U.S. "We have been studying it continuously. And that decision is made to the best interests of our customers. Yes, the geopolitical [condition] is evolving, but we still listen to our customers as the priority."

TSMC told Nikkei on Monday that it is constantly studying and assessing whether to expand production in the U.S. "TSMC has never ruled out building or acquiring a fab [chip plant] in the United States, but currently there is no concrete plan," spokesperson Nina Kao said. "It all depends on customers' needs."

TSMC also has an important presence in China, where it makes 12- and 16-nm chips at a plant in Nanjing that is considered the most advanced in China. It started mass production in 2018.

The Nanjing factory became even more strategic amid the tech battle between Washington and Beijing. Last year Huawei asked TSMC to allocate more advanced production to China, the Nikkei reported.

The U.S. accounted for 60% of TSMC's revenue of $34.6 billion in 2019, while the Chinese market, which grew the fastest, contributed 20%.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Technology/TSMC-weighs-new-US-plant-to-respond-to-Trump-pressure
 
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The US could completely sever China and Huawei's access to high end chips if it wanted to. Yes, it would effect American companies to a degree, but Huawei would be destroyed in the process.

The US has a stranglehold on the semiconductor industry.
 
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The entire idea of making Taiwan a silicon manufacturing giant was to build the "Silicon barrier" for security of Taiwan .
The nation who is taking in neighbouring giant , China.
The idea was to make Taiwan so important that if anything happens to Taiwan the whole world gets effected.
And they achieved it
Every electronic Device used in the world has a silicon chip made in Taiwan. And if anything happens to Taiwan the entire world will know.
If they move their manufacturing elsewhere, this ingenious defence of their will be gone
 
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The US could completely sever China and Huawei's access to high end chips if it wanted to. Yes, it would effect American companies to a degree, but Huawei would be destroyed in the process.

The US has a stranglehold on the semiconductor industry.

LOL, you pathetic meircan semiconductor industry has reduced the condition on any of tech that utilize 10%+ tech from merica that should not be sell to Huawei, and guess what, TSMC say they can handle that well since their tech dependence on merica tech is even less than a bloody 10%:rofl:

So good dream on TSMC will listen to you, their major source of revenue is come from Huawei

Besides, what prevent China from hitting your "less than 10% share" semiconductor industry where their 50% revenue are from China now? :rofl:

Btw, what even prevent China from taking back Taiwan?:rofl:
 
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The US could completely sever China and Huawei's access to high end chips if it wanted to. Yes, it would effect American companies to a degree, but Huawei would be destroyed in the process.

The US has a stranglehold on the semiconductor industry.
Let's see how it goes, it if we're that simple, US would have done it. Huawei will never be destroyed, and a 100 Huaweis are in incubation now. What then? You are begging fir ventilators now.... Start coughing yet?
 
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Let's see how it goes, it if we're that simple, US would have done it. Huawei will never be destroyed, and a 100 Huaweis are in incubation now. What then? You are begging fir ventilators now.... Start coughing yet?

It hasn't done it yet because of the effect on US companies, but it absolutely would destroy Huawei. Yes, Huawei could still access chips, but not the most advanced high end chips. In other words, Huawei would fall behind its competitors. And no, there's not 100 Huawei's in incubation.
 
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It hasn't done it yet because of the effect on US companies, but it absolutely would destroy Huawei. Yes, Huawei could still access chips, but not the most advanced high end chips. In other words, Huawei would fall behind its competitors. And no, there's not 100 Huawei's in incubation.
You forgot they are from the largest telco market on earth genius. Their revenue might be reduced but destroyed? Now worry if US will survive this shit storm. Top Chinese companies you see now were not even in existence 10 years bck. Face the competition don't hide behind protectionism.

Ppl are saying China won WWIII without firing a single shot.
 
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The entire idea of making Taiwan a silicon manufacturing giant was to build the "Silicon barrier" for security of Taiwan .
The nation who is taking in neighbouring giant , China.
The idea was to make Taiwan so important that if anything happens to Taiwan the whole world gets effected.
And they achieved it
Every electronic Device used in the world has a silicon chip made in Taiwan. And if anything happens to Taiwan the entire world will know.
If they move their manufacturing elsewhere, this ingenious defence of their will be gone

Attacking Taiwan would mean a nuclear showdown with USA
 
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Attacking Taiwan would mean a nuclear showdown with USA

It would not, US don't have the guts, we all know that.

It hasn't done it yet because of the effect on US companies, but it absolutely would destroy Huawei. Yes, Huawei could still access chips, but not the most advanced high end chips. In other words, Huawei would fall behind its competitors. And no, there's not 100 Huawei's in incubation.

50% of revenue of the US high-tech companies are from China, and US share in the high-end semiconductor tech is only less than 10%.:rofl:

You are like earthworm just try to threat a elephant by saying hi you are cycled by me now:rofl:
 
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You forgot they are from the largest telco market on earth genius. Their revenue might be reduced but destroyed? Now worry if US will survive this shit storm. Top Chinese companies you see now were not even in existence 10 years bck. Face the competition don't hide behind protectionism.

Ppl are saying China won WWIII without firing a single shot.

If the US bans TSMC from selling high end chips to Huawei, then Huawei will fall behind its Western competitors. There 's a reason why Huawei talked about retaliation, because they know the consequences of being cut off from high end chips.

The US economy will come back strong. It ALWAYS does, and its naïve to believe otherwise. That's what happens when your the richest country in the world with the most advanced science and technological base in the world.
 
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If the US bans TSMC from selling high end chips to Huawei, then Huawei will fall behind its Western competitors. There 's a reason why Huawei talked about retaliation, because they know the consequences of being cut off from high end chips.

The US economy will come back strong. It ALWAYS does, and its naïve to believe otherwise. That's what happens when your the richest country in the world with the most advanced science and technological base in the world.
We can make till 14nm, you only need advanced chips for cell phone. You don't 5nmm to make basestations genius, Huawei is already telco equipment to the tune 100bil before going into smartphones.

The richest country is currently fcked and you might be dead. Lol.

Remember you are going against the second richest country and the second most technologically advanced country overall. Note I use the word overall.
 
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Unless TSMC follows up the ban what is the point of even taking about it. Huawei is an enormous company, one of the top tech companies in existence.
 
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