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Two of my favorite television shows are about what I think it’s fair to call the “New America.” In Master of None, on Netflix, Indian-American comedian Aziz Ansari plays a struggling actor in a very real and diverse New York. His best friend is the son of Chinese immigrants. His girlfriend is white. And the plots have revolved, pointedly but never heavy-handedly, around the portrayal of minorities in mainstream media, and the struggles of immigrants chasing the American dream.

In Transparent, on Amazon, an alarmingly and hilariously dysfunctional Los Angeles family comes to terms with their father’s late-life realization that he (she) is transgender. Jeffrey Tambor plays Maura Pfefferman, the aging Jewish college professor who ditches a lonely suburban life for one in which gender and sexuality are fluid. Both of his daughters enter into same-sex relationships, and the question of whether they are gay, bi-, or adventurous seems to be left intentionally ambiguous. A son, Josh, is straight, promiscuous, and desperate for love.


Both shows represent a multicultural, urban America in which differences of all kinds are not just tolerated but celebrated. The immigrant characters in Master don’t need to prove themselves to the American “mainstream,” whatever that is, and don’t apologize for expecting America to live up to its promises. The LGBTQ characters in Transparent don’t suffer for their natures or their choices — at least when it comes to gender and sex (the Jewish characters mostly suffer from one another, but that’s an old story).

This is an America completely at odds with the one that has made Donald Trump the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination. Consider these stats, from political journalist Thomas B. Edsall:

Poll data from the Pew Research Center shows how much Trump depends on the politically restive white working class. His backing from voters with a high school degree or less is twice as high as it is from those with college degrees; the percentage of men lining up behind him is eight points higher than the percentage of women; voters from households making $40,000 or less are 12 points more likely to cast a Trump ballot than those from households making more than $75,000.

In other words, Trump’s base tends to be white, male, and struggling financially. But that doesn’t necessarily explain Trump’s appeal. After all, if economic self-interest were their only motivation, such voters might well support Bernie Sanders, who blames big business and crony capitalism for the inequality that has suppressed wages and decimated the working class.

But put it all together, and you get a chunk of the electorate for whom the New America is hardly America at all. If you were to create a composite from the Pew stats, you’d have a white guy who has almost nothing in common with the kinds of characters in Master or Transparent — that is, brown, Jewish, nontraditional, college-educated, pluralistic. These shows don’t represent to him what’s new about America, but what’s wrong with America. And worse, the seeming success of these characters, he feels, comes at the expense of “real” Americans like him.

Trump’s real ideology is murky, but his targets are clear: Immigrants bring problems and take away jobs. Muslims represent the worst kind of threat: an internal one. America is corrupt and fallen, and by opening its doors to foreigners, tolerating difference, and insisting upon “political correctness,” it has suppressed the very people — that is, middle-class white families — who once made the country great.

(Perhaps to his credit, Trump hasn’t put opposition to gay rights at the center of his “traditional” agenda, unlike Cruz or Rubio, although he has been a consistent opponent of marriage equality.)

I don’t know how much Trump actually believes this stuff. As a developer from New York, he has lived among, socialized with, and made billions from and with the kinds of people portrayed in both of the shows above. But that doesn’t matter to his followers. Like McCarthy before him, he appeals to their suspicion that America is rotting from within, too weak or too tolerant or too deluded to remember that it was at its strongest before women, minorities, immigrants, and gays demanded a piece of a now-shrinking pie.

And now various polls are suggesting, as Lynn Vavreck, a professor of political science at U.C.L.A., puts it, that Trump has built “a significant part of his coalition of voters on people who are responsive to religious, social and racial intolerance”:

And that, ultimately, is why I see Trump as a threat, not just in what his candidacy means for America as a whole, but what it means for us as Jews. His message — of distrusting the foreign, of rejecting the new, of abhorring pluralism — is directly opposed to our history in this country and our best interests as a minority. And it is empowering people who reject the very notion of racial and ethnic diversity.

It’s not immaterial that Transparent is immersed in a deeply Jewish environment. The Pfeffermans stock up for the Yom Kippur break-fast at Canter’s Deli, Josh falls in love and impregnates his mother’s rabbi, a daughter is haunted by a grandmother’s youth in Weimar Berlin. The sexual and gender journeys taken by its characters are on a continuum with the social and religious upheavals experienced by their forebears. Jews flourished in this country because we had the freedom to shed the burdens of the past and embrace a future of opportunity.

It’s the kind of freedom and opportunity that makes Trump’s base extremely angry — just as their anger makes me extremely afraid.

Trump’s America is bad, very bad, for the Jews | Andrew Silow-Carroll | The Blogs | The Times of Israel



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I think Trump is not a threat himself but the wave he is riding on is the real threat. Let's not forget Trump is a business man and business is blind to race, nationality and politics. It follows money. So I expect Trump as a successful and seasoned business man to have the same quality that is required to succeed in business, i.e. neutral to race and nationality.

However, he is investing on a new trend or wave that is emerging in US and that's becoming more and more nationalist or in some cases racist even though US doesn't represent a single race to begin with.

Every nation is vulnerable to this phenomena and usually the bigger and stronger they are the more the possibility of this way of thinking. Germany was thriving as the cradle of human scientific and industrial development before WWII and Roman empire dominated a significant part of the world when they went through the same route.

I see the same trend in US starting way back before Trump decided to run for presidency. Let's not forget the patriotism act that was passed during Bush era.

I think this move had started much earlier and Trump only made it surface.

I personally don't think it is a threat to Jews as long as they look Caucasian and have been living in US for generations. The real threat is to the new immigrants, specially those who are either Muslim or are non-Caucasian a.k.a visually different.
 
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you could say the same about Israel and it's treatment of blacks and palenstians.

the Zionists fear losing Israel by becoming a minority.


I wonder how Israel would react if hundreds of thousands if not millions of Muslims entered Israel every year....oooooh they would built a wall and fences which they have done :coffee:


Jews know Trump isn't a neocon that's why they are scared.
 
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you could say the same about Israel and it's treatment of blacks and palenstians.

the Zionists fear losing Israel by becoming a minority.


I wonder how Israel would react if hundreds of thousands if not millions of Muslims entered Israel every year....oooooh they would built a wall and fences which they have done :coffee:


Jews know Trump isn't a neocon that's why they are scared.
Your whole nation was built out of immigrants. Why are they considered a bad company now?
 
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Your whole nation was built out of immigrants. Why are they considered a bad company now?
Immigrates are good they are what made this country great and continue do so, but the illegal migration of millions of Mexicans and other Latin American countries every year isn't right.

immigrates came to America in the past in low numbers over a long time. they had time to assimilate

but now this is large immigration over a short time.


U.S. Immigrant Population and Share over Time, 1850-Present | migrationpolicy.org


look at the huge jump in the 1980's on

it' unsustainable
 
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I think Trump is not a threat himself but the wave he is riding on is the real threat. Let's not forget Trump is a business man and business is blind to race, nationality and politics. It follows money. So I expect Trump as a successful and seasoned business man to have the same quality that is required to succeed in business, i.e. neutral to race and nationality.

However, he is investing on a new trend or wave that is emerging in US and that's becoming more and more nationalist or in some cases racist even though US doesn't represent a single race to begin with.

Every nation is vulnerable to this phenomena and usually the bigger and stronger they are the more the possibility of this way of thinking. Germany was thriving as the cradle of human scientific and industrial development before WWII and Roman empire dominated a significant part of the world when they went through the same route.

I see the same trend in US starting way back before Trump decided to run for presidency. Let's not forget the patriotism act that was passed during Bush era.

I think this move had started much earlier and Trump only made it surface.

I personally don't think it is a threat to Jews as long as they look Caucasian and have been living in US for generations. The real threat is to the new immigrants, specially those who are either Muslim or are non-Caucasian a.k.a visually different.

You're wrong, he's very wealthy, and it would make no sense to enter presidential race for 'business' purposes. He is an old individual, has plenty of money to burn and enjoy his life. But, he clearly feels something is wrong in political makeup in the US, hence he is entering the race for a genuine purpose. Which is why the establishment fears him. Looking caucasian doesn't mean anything, there are Iranians, Pakistani's and Arabs who look caucasian. But they aren't white(European heritage).
 
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Immigrates are good they are what made this country great and continue do so, but the illegal migration of millions of Mexicans and from other Latin American countries every year isn't right.

immigrates come to America in the past in low numbers over a long time. they had time to assimilate

but now this is large immigration over a short time.


U.S. Immigrant Population and Share over Time, 1850-Present | migrationpolicy.org


look at the huge jump in the 1980's on
I agree the illegal immigration should stop but back in 1800, nobody really applied for any immigration visas. They just arrived and were let in. Even now the percentage of immigrants to whole population is around the same it was back in 1800 it is not an unprecedented thing and US population is large enough to solve them within itself.

On the bright side, they provide a source of cheap labor for US and can help maintain its industry competitive.

You're wrong, he's very wealthy, and it would make no sense to enter presidential race for 'business' purposes. He is an old individual, has plenty of money to burn and enjoy his life. But, he clearly feels something is wrong in political makeup in the US, hence he is entering the race for a genuine purpose. Which is why the establishment fears him. Looking caucasian doesn't mean anything, there are Iranians, Pakistani's and Arabs who look caucasian. But they aren't white(European heritage).
I don't say he is entering this race for business purposes. I say he is a businessman by heart and nature. A successful business man can't be racists. Because by being racist he will limit his business.
 
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Demographics isn't just Trump's problem. It's the long term problem of the Republican Party, (Which is my political party, btw.). The Republican Party has gotten smaller and smaller, whiter and whiter, every year. So have the Democrats, but at a much slower rate. More and more Americans are politically independent of any political party and they are harder to pin down, ideologically.

Every single day, America becomes less white, and more diverse, less rural and more urban, less Christian and more secular, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., less socially conventional and more socially tolerant and diverse. That is not going to change any time soon. If the Republican Party/conservative movement in America does not adapt to this reality, it is doomed just as the first two American conservative parties were.

This is especially telling in our Electoral College, which is all that matters in a presidential election. Whoever gets 270 electoral votes will become the next president of the United States. The Democrat Party, even when they do poorly and ONLY win their core states + one, that will virtually always vote for their nominee, almost have a lock on the presidency.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map
 
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I don't say he is entering this race for business purposes. I say he is a businessman by heart and nature. A successful business man can't be racists. Because by being racist he will limit his business.

He's not racist, he just wants to preserve the white majority. And also topple the Jewish establishment that is holding 340 million Americans hostage. US is just a Jewish colony until the American people can overthrow them.
 
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Demographics isn't just Trump's problem. It's the long term problem of the Republican Party, (Which is my political party, btw.). The Republican Party has gotten smaller and smaller, whiter and whiter, every year. So have the Democrats, but at a much slower rate. More and more Americans are politically independent of any political party and they are harder to pin down, ideologically.

Every single day, America becomes less white, and more diverse, less rural and more urban, less Christian and more secular, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., less socially conventional and more socially tolerant and diverse. That is not going to change any time soon. If the Republican Party/conservative movement in America does not adapt to this reality, it is doomed just as the first two American conservative parties were.

This is especially telling in our Electoral College, which is all that matters in a presidential election. Whoever gets 270 electoral votes will become the next president of the United States. The Democrat Party, even when they do poorly and ONLY win their core states + one, that will virtually always vote for their nominee, almost have a lock on the presidency.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map

You guys need more political parties, more choices and voices from both the left and right.
 
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You guys need more political parties, more choices and voices from both the left and right.

We need a revolution, then we can think about creating more parties. It's the same people who control the country, having new elections every 4 years doesn't change that.
 
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He's not racist, he just wants to preserve the white majority. And also topple the Jewish establishment that is holding 340 million Americans hostage. US is just a Jewish colony until the American people can overthrow them.

Well preferring one race over the other is Racism no matter how you look at it. So what he says he will do is racism flavored but I also agree that he only says it since US people like to hear it.

But I don't think he would dare to touch the Jewish community or he needs to declare war on people who are order of magnitudes richer than him.

Demographics isn't just Trump's problem. It's the long term problem of the Republican Party, (Which is my political party, btw.). The Republican Party has gotten smaller and smaller, whiter and whiter, every year. So have the Democrats, but at a much slower rate. More and more Americans are politically independent of any political party and they are harder to pin down, ideologically.

Every single day, America becomes less white, and more diverse, less rural and more urban, less Christian and more secular, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., less socially conventional and more socially tolerant and diverse. That is not going to change any time soon. If the Republican Party/conservative movement in America does not adapt to this reality, it is doomed just as the first two American conservative parties were.

This is especially telling in our Electoral College, which is all that matters in a presidential election. Whoever gets 270 electoral votes will become the next president of the United States. The Democrat Party, even when they do poorly and ONLY win their core states + one, that will virtually always vote for their nominee, almost have a lock on the presidency.

2016 Presidential Election Interactive Map
I thin it is a great trend and will make US stronger. Do you see new parties taking shape in US?
 
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You guys need more political parties, more choices and voices from both the left and right.

We actually, already do. We don't really have an official "two-party system". It's just that the American people don't vote for parties other than the Democrat Party or Republican Party, with few exceptions. Here is a ballot from the last General Election to give you an idea...

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I thin it is a great trend and will make US stronger. Do you see new parties taking shape in US?

I agree completely with your first statement. A more diverse America is a stronger America. As to the second, I think it is becoming more and more, a possibility. If Mr. Trump becomes the GOP nominee and if he goes down to defeat in a huge landslide, it may be the catechist for a new conservative party, for example.
 
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You guys need more political parties, more choices and voices from both the left and right.
This has been explained before...

First-past-the-post voting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Essentially, FPTP is the oldest -- and some would argue the most fair -- electoral process. But FPTP tends to stabilize out to two parties, meaning that if the Communist Party of the USA (CPUSA) gain enough converts from both the Democrat and Republican parties, eventually the system would stabilize to the CPUSA vs the Democrat or CPUSA vs the Republican. There could be a three parties system, but not likely.

FPTP puts the burden of representation on the people where it should be. If the people want three parties, then let the parties make their arguments to the people so that enough people themselves can side with whoever they want to create a three parties system. If one of them failed to make its case so the system stabilize out to two parties, too bad for that failed party. The government should stay out of the process.
 
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